> >Now somebody please explain to me precisely what situation could possibly
> >have required a gun, given a noise on the roof. Is there some kind of
> >general belief that it's OK to execute people who are on your roof? Is
> >there some kind of general belief that one needs to at least threaten to
> >execute people who are on your roof? Is there some kind of general belief
> >that people on your roof are typically present for the purpose of
> >executing you and need to be dealt with accordingly?
> >
>
> Evan, you complain about logic then your logic is a joke! Your assumptions
> are rife! JP has a gun, therefore purpose os to execute someone, etc etc.
>
> However in the spirit of your discussion ..
>
> (*) Lets say someone had jumped on my roof. There are two hands-down,
> very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very,
> likely explanations. The first is that it's kids fooling around. The
> second is that it's a criminal.
>
> I assume that you have had experience of being robbed, mugged or perhaps a
> more violent crime.
>
> Lets say its some kids fooling around. No problem, thats life.
>
> Lets say its a criminal. If its a criminal there's real chance that the
> criminal is 'armed and dangerous', i.e, you have probably heard that a
> great many people get killed by criminals. Tourists from Germany get
> killed by criminals, people outside the office on the street in broad
> daylite in NY get killed by criminals, people get raped and killed by
> criminals in central park / suburban Salt Lake / just about anywhere. Even
> in Salt Lake, for gods sake, which has like ten murders a year if even, a
> woman was murdered last week on the street because she cut off some
> criminals in her car.
>
> To reiterate, if someone is jumping on your roof, there is a _real_ chance
> that you are in physical danger, from a criminal.
>
> If you cringe at this and try to feel it is not correct, you are basically
> wrong and that's the end of it. In NYC if someone jumps on your roof,
> there is a substantial possibility you are in grave physical danger; your
> life may soon end. In Salt Lake if the same event happens you are in
> modest but real danger of the same.
>
> (*) Protection. What does it mean to feel safe? I was considering the
> other day "why do people feel safe" in their homes, in society.
>
> Lets say you, John Doe, are sitting at home just now. In reality, anyone
> could, say, smash through your window and whack you in the face.
>
> What actually makes you feel that won't happen?
>
> Essentially it's the wieght of society, societal rules, the judicial
> system, laws and specifically the police.
>
> At any given moment the only reason you feel safe is actually because of
> the police.
>
> In reality however, police rarely stop a crime. They persecute justice
> afterwards. Once or twice a year, a criminal commits a crime and there is a
> policeman at hand. The policeman stops the crime. As I say this happens
> once or twice a year worldwide.
>
>
>
> >Americans make some good movies, but they're basically nuts.
>
> On the contrary. You would have been a good American but you had this long
> Canadian sojourn during your youth <;
>
> Americans (in the sense you mean, in the context of this discussion) are
> totally tuned in to REALITY. Canadians and everyone else live in an utter
> fantasy world. A childish, dreamlike, under-your-parents state where "the
> police will stop people breaking into your house, the UN will stop
> injustices by talking about it, no one really wants to hurt you" and so on.
n this fantasy world , of the UK , where the only peoplewho bear
arms are the military the police , criminals , and gun nuts , 16 5 year
old children wher shot in cold blood during their gym lesson , by a
disturbed LICENCED gun owner . He walked into a scholl and gunned down
innocents , and their teacher who placed her own body in the way.
How would she have defended them in any other way , walk around with a
constantly ready firearm to shoot anyone who came within range !!!!!!
Get real - guns are for killing and maiming . that is all they are
designed to do , so by owning and using one you are saying yo want to KILL!!!
Graz wishingthisthreadwouldstopsohecanforgetthedeathofinnocents
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