Good point Greg, the only reason I assumed a connection was we were able to
determine (TV schedules etc) the time of Claude's wife's event and it was
within 5 mins of the event in my 'hood. I say it was a satellite!
(Additionally there have now been other reports at the same time of similar
event)
Ev noteth:
>Now THERE'S a model of induction.
>
>(1.) "Not-P occurred once"
>
>(2.) "Therefore, P never occurs"
>
>(Just got hired to teach introductory logic in Winnipeg this summer :)
>
>
>Now somebody please explain to me precisely what situation could possibly
>have required a gun, given a noise on the roof. Is there some kind of
>general belief that it's OK to execute people who are on your roof? Is
>there some kind of general belief that one needs to at least threaten to
>execute people who are on your roof? Is there some kind of general belief
>that people on your roof are typically present for the purpose of
>executing you and need to be dealt with accordingly?
>
Evan, you complain about logic then your logic is a joke! Your assumptions
are rife! JP has a gun, therefore purpose os to execute someone, etc etc.
However in the spirit of your discussion ..
(*) Lets say someone had jumped on my roof. There are two hands-down,
very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very,
likely explanations. The first is that it's kids fooling around. The
second is that it's a criminal.
I assume that you have had experience of being robbed, mugged or perhaps a
more violent crime.
Lets say its some kids fooling around. No problem, thats life.
Lets say its a criminal. If its a criminal there's real chance that the
criminal is 'armed and dangerous', i.e, you have probably heard that a
great many people get killed by criminals. Tourists from Germany get
killed by criminals, people outside the office on the street in broad
daylite in NY get killed by criminals, people get raped and killed by
criminals in central park / suburban Salt Lake / just about anywhere. Even
in Salt Lake, for gods sake, which has like ten murders a year if even, a
woman was murdered last week on the street because she cut off some
criminals in her car.
To reiterate, if someone is jumping on your roof, there is a _real_ chance
that you are in physical danger, from a criminal.
If you cringe at this and try to feel it is not correct, you are basically
wrong and that's the end of it. In NYC if someone jumps on your roof,
there is a substantial possibility you are in grave physical danger; your
life may soon end. In Salt Lake if the same event happens you are in
modest but real danger of the same.
(*) Protection. What does it mean to feel safe? I was considering the
other day "why do people feel safe" in their homes, in society.
Lets say you, John Doe, are sitting at home just now. In reality, anyone
could, say, smash through your window and whack you in the face.
What actually makes you feel that won't happen?
Essentially it's the wieght of society, societal rules, the judicial
system, laws and specifically the police.
At any given moment the only reason you feel safe is actually because of
the police.
In reality however, police rarely stop a crime. They persecute justice
afterwards. Once or twice a year, a criminal commits a crime and there is a
policeman at hand. The policeman stops the crime. As I say this happens
once or twice a year worldwide.
>Americans make some good movies, but they're basically nuts.
On the contrary. You would have been a good American but you had this long
Canadian sojourn during your youth <;
Americans (in the sense you mean, in the context of this discussion) are
totally tuned in to REALITY. Canadians and everyone else live in an utter
fantasy world. A childish, dreamlike, under-your-parents state where "the
police will stop people breaking into your house, the UN will stop
injustices by talking about it, no one really wants to hurt you" and so on.
>Every so
>often I forget this.
>
>--
>Evan Kirchhoff, kirchh@umich.edu
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