a rose is a rose is a rose (this is NOT a pipe)

Trond Buland (Trond.Buland@IFIM.SINTEF.NO)
Sun, 17 Dec 1995 13:40:22 GMT-0100

on Thu, 14 Dec JP, whom we all love, said:

>[Aside / Footnote -- I am uninterested in arcane discussions on the "
>[gasp] REAL " meaning of "Libertarian". Libertarian = the LP in the
>states. This is no more mysterious or controversial than using the
>word Democrat to mean the same ideas/party that Bill & Hillary are
>members of. Saying 'Democrat' (the ordinary common usage) to mean
>that particular party and those particular sort of ideals does not
>ameliorate any "real" historical meaning of the word "democrat" -
>same deal with 'Libertarian'. I know a couple of people here are
>touchy about this <; ]

as i said, i guess the one you're thinkin of being touchy about this
is none other than me.... well, i can't remember being touchy about
your use of the word liberal/libertarian (two different words, with
the same origin btw) and if i have been (and i guess i have, after
all, at least once?), i hereby apologize. i shouldn't have been ;-)
i'm not a liberal, not in the ordinary common european use of the
word, nor in the ordinary common american use of the word, so i
really shouldn't care less.... what i h a v e been "touchy" about
is the word "anarchist". (i do like your choice of the word "touchy"
btw ;- )) i'm just a little bit tired of you americans turning that
particular word into something meaning right-wing old-fashioned
laisse-faire capitalist, when in fact the common use of the word
anarchist in the rest of the world is as something like "libertarian,
anti-state socialist". i find your use of the word just a little bit
sad, especially as america did give the world some of the best
examples of anarchists and anarchist organizations ever: people like
Emma Goldman, Alexander Berkman, Joe Hill or the organizers of the
WWW wouldn't have felt very comfortable in the company of modern
american "anarcho"-capitalists... ;-)

so that's what i've been "touchy" about, JP.....
(but i promise not to mention it again, if that'll make you feel
better?!)

have a nice day :-)

tb
(who even tend to like some parts of the political platform of the
american LP! after all they stole it from the left-wing anarchist ;-)
and the libertarian right is much preferable to the religious-fascist
american right after all!)

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