From - Wed Jan 14 17:32:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.UU.NET by mrco.carleton.ca (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA01082; Thu, 4 Mar 93 19:40:38 EST Received: from nyx.cs.du.edu by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA05342; Thu, 4 Mar 93 19:32:40 -0500 Received: by nyx.cs.du.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA27359; Thu, 4 Mar 93 17:30:51 MST From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (andy) Message-Id: <9303050030.AA27359@nyx.cs.du.edu> X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of Denver. The University has neither control over nor responsibility for the opinions or correct identity of users. Subject: FutureCulture Digest #276 To: future-digest@nyx.cs.du.edu Date: Thu, 4 Mar 93 17:30:50 MST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 32951 X-Lines: 892 Status: RO X-Mozilla-Status: 8001 ______________________________________________________________________ |______________ / | | / | | u t u r e <___________ u l t u r e | _______________________________________________________________________| Issue #276 Thursday, March 4th 1993 Today's Topics: --------------- c-punk artwork Carousel, richer text stuff.. Cyberpunk Art Cyberpunk artwork, anyone? Re: BBS ideas wanted re: c-punk artwork Re: Cyberpunk Art Re: Cyberpunk artwork, anyone? Re: Future of the net... (2) Re: Rudy Rucker Re: semantic suggestion Re: The Net does not exist (fwd) re: the new BBS semantic suggestion something to try __________________________________________________________________________ From: ahawks (riboflavin flavored) Subject: Re: The Net does not exist (fwd) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 93 12:00:20 MST ______________________________ From: the! | |> From c333@u.washington.edu Wed Mar 3 21:10:22 1993 |> From: O.B.O. |> To: mitchell.porter@lambada.oit.unc.edu |> Subject: The Net does not exist |> |> I was talking with a stainless steel rat last night, and she pointed out tha |> even in developed regions such as America, Australia and Europe, most people |> don't know of the Net's existence. We had been discussing what constituted |> psychosis - is it anything more than a break from _consensus_ reality? - and |> whether there might one day be a psychological syndrome called "net.psychosi sign me up. freud, my mother, says that the increase in complexity of society results in more psychosocial problems. once you look at this, everything that is supposedly "weird" makes sense, like charlie manson my brother and the cult in texas my high school reunion. like that movie with michael douglas. society produces that. like that kid on the donahue show that i talked about a week or so ago (that hit my mind so damn hard, it really did). i think there has to be more integration between real reality and cyberspace reality before a true mental departure can be relized. ie, InfiniWorld running on a MacCray 9000 full sensory vr even better than the real thing. i spend a lot of time thinking about reality, cyberspace, shit like that. I think tat soon psychoses may have to be redefined. I mean, I've noticed *many* *many* people on the net who seem crap, what's the word, hemophrenic? that doesn't sound right.....it's one of the -phrenias, i know that. a lot of *my* posts are like that. the fnord list is like that. DAMN i wish i had a psychology text i need to clear this up. |> Given that psychosis at the very least does involve a break with consensus |> reality - believing in, and attaching importance to, something that other |> people can't see and don't understand - and given that the Net does not exis |> in the minds of most people... hmm, definition not strict enough, but one overriding aspect is the departure from consensus reality and the departure from consensus social interaction that *is* the net. so the ent is just a big psycho-attractor. new-psycho.net-world.[dis]order. great. well, umm, i can honestly say that i have experienced distortions in time on the net....time is a big thing for me in relation to the net... and the same thing happens with lsd....when the v-clock on irc strikes 23:23..... great i am going psycho then maybe everything that becomes originates in psychopathy. every inventor has to be a bit fringe. psychoses *is* relative in my mind, no clean clear breaks, no yes i'm psycho | no 'im not [those should probly be revered, the sides, given aaaaAAARGH!] maybe the consensus just tunes into that TRON! TRON is sampled in OOBE on UFOrb. i just did know that. maybe the consensus just tunes into that line, there's a spectrum of concrete objectivism at one end, hardcore communal human experience, and subjective at the other end, with psychoses being fringe. everything relative of course. aargh my keyboard's going to molecularly fuck around soon i feel great "the world of *objective* context" in orb ANYWAY boing i'm slow and i'm here now EVERYONE has psychoses in them, methinks. just repressed. psychology seems to agree that everyone has neuroses relative to some degree, so, take it a step farther. goddamnit, i really get why timothy leary aaaAARGGGHHHH! i guess we, the net, have to ask ourselves is there a method to our madness? i think yes, electroset completely RIPPED U.F.Orb in the beginning i guess we, the net, have to ask ourselves is there a method to our madness? i think yes, in that it's the propagation of memes, ideas, constructs, teks, community, --> and it wil trickle-down to a communal reality eventually. but then, relatively, how FAR AHEAD can you go and stay and not end up in a straightjacket. the net is a subversive escape for free thinkers. THE NET COULD BE BANNED. outlawed. u can't deny the influence of america's federal government in giving much of the net it's life. shit. i feel like a guinea pig, like someone slipped some LSD in my glass back in the 50-early 60's to see what i would do. jacob's ladder, i think the net might slowly start to wane. i want to rationalize that fear, but, aargh, i can't. i think the net, by the end of this century, will expand, but also dissapate. it's a function of our society. i think i've answered the question about psychoses being relative, by now, hehe, feign laugh. man, the net really *is* like lsd in some waze, no wonder. aargh. it makes sense, that's why there's so many people who trip who have net.accounts. it's all part of taking steps toward that unknown. the evolution revolution. evolution of course like everything else is rel___. then there's that part of society who's afraid of their repressed evolution revolution, which is best exmplified by the median power structures like the federal government, so, aargh society *is* going to clamp down on the net sooner or later in a slow process. but al gore is there, isn't that weird? al gore is Just Like Us. and bill clinton might be, but he didn't know what to do with the Grafix I sent him. ;). aargh, picture is being made known now. like bob ross. afro-guy. a little napalm orange, just a touch wide brush strokes back and forth. anyway, searching the depths of all his mind he realised that technological hange, revolution, often comes *around* the turn of the century. 1x80-1(x+1)20. the computer came earlier, but we're at the end of a millenia. so, extrapolate, this whole *century* fits in under the millenia as the 1x80-1(x+1)20 as xy80-(x+1)(y+1)20. zoom in and zoom out, in other words. i don't think the world will end or anything. that might be just a subconscious outgrowth of a possible fear of living in these "important" times. if you zoom in and out enough, you see an infinite number of like sine waves. the number 2000 is difficult to deconstruct since time is one of the hardcore communal shared realities. so it seems "important", it seems like all the sine waves are meeting at some "point" or altitude. but because we think that subconsciously, that DOES make it so. so it IS. it does exist, it is important, like Mitch is really really on to. anyway, on the whole communal sense, they don't want to ride the reality sinewave roller coaster called Evolution Revolution as much as some do, so, the change won't be as big as some think it is, it's more refined and sculpted down. aargh i think i just hallucinated i lost my thumb a good walk in the park and fresh air sounds good anyway, all in all, change will happen, it won't eb *TOO* big, society will leap relatively farther than it usually does, clinton and gore seem like agents of the inevitable subconscious proliferation of this time-sync thing. agents as in not conspirator agents but as in the [unspoken?] communicative sense. free will seems moot some times. the net is going to morph. change and evolve forarward, and remember i think all this crap is relative. the morph will probably arise out of some action being taken on it, directly or indirectly, like the DoD cutting the funding to it in half or doubling the funding. ISDN going in or being killed as an idea completely. virtual reality ceases to be or it becomes the new LSD. man, i really *get* some of the basic constructs of leary's thoughts, and now i definiely, consciously (i pulled it out of the sub in this psot) see the relationships and interaction and what there is in peoples minds that makes the two such similar viable "options". -- andy ______________________________ Date: Thu, 04 Mar 93 12:11:35 MST From: Juggler Subject: re: the new BBS > One thing you might try is switching over to receiving the FutureCulture > digest format and then just capturing the text and posting it into a message > base thingy. I've already thrown this idea around for when I get off my ass Interesting idea. Have kinda like a base called "Future Culture Digest". (I thought of it myself! ;) Might give it a try... -Juggler --- Juggler IH23@utep.BITNET IH23%utep@utepvm.ep.utexas.edu Sysop of Three Ring Circus (915)564-0026 **"To tell you the truth i'm exactly what I want to be." - Beastie Boys Disclaimer: My school hates my opinion. ______________________________ From: ahawks (riboflavin flavored) Subject: semantic suggestion Date: Thu, 4 Mar 93 12:35:42 MST i have a suggestion. i have just made a major conenction in my mind. people should/could differentiate between tripping on the net and tripping *ON* the net. tripping on the net is like, taking yer favorite physical hallucinogenic substance, getting on the net, which has alwaze been called a netrip as far as leri is concerned. what i'm saying is that "netrip" the word itself, is too intertwined to be invoked, assisted by psychedelics like acid. netrip to me now implies tripping *ON* the net. no drugs. you get there. the net is the only drug in a netrip. aargh. i can't explan it. FUCK! there's a parallel - i can't explain it, you just have to do it. you don't NEED acid to netrip, and you most certainly don't NEED other people on acid or on a netrip to netrip via contact high. FUCK CONSENSUAL that's it CONSENSUAL EVERYONE GET HERE netrip it's like acid but you don't need acid the screen moves the keyboard breathes and molecularly falls apart your fingers disappear your hands aren't aatached to you the words are REZ! I think the reason you may not like IRC is cuz it would be like tripping at woodstock. Ie, it's not the bad acid, it's the amount of people, the subconscious fear or uncomfort. i think that's it. irchaos of course is an outgrowth of that Brown Acid woodstock feel. and you can easily get bad vibes on IRC from other people by what they say/do. why the fuck couldn't i say this before, when other people have sad it in whole or in part, aargh. but now i gnow, so. thus email is appealing because it's like being around your friends. you choose which messages you want to read, it's like choosing what people say. CONSENSUAL to the phullest. if you have a bad netrip, it'z cuz you have an open mind and are outgoing and opening yourself up to ideas that you may be afraid of. this feeling i have is the new acid. everyone was waiting for virtual reality to get here full-blown with all the perfect graphics and receptors for a real cyberspace trip, but the basics of a netrip are already there, waiting to be explored and mapped. Rez is an extension of Mckenna and Leary in that sense. Rez *will_be* the new map*maker* of *cyber*space. already is. weird. i can't deconstruct that thought, cuz i can't right now find a way to go further. ie, no post-rez. fuck, i'm netripping and i should've pulled all these conenctions together a long long time ago. sticky end bye this is file snd.6869, missed it by 1..... maybe my involvement with the net should mean and i shouldn't just let it be. /set mode ssp toggle? the people this message is sent to are the ones building the bridges on the edges, err, fringes rather...fringe, i don't want to use edge... there's a Matrix in my mind.....intellibeams and swirling amoebas of fractals, lights, and lasers on the grids, it breathes and lives "and faces pop out". it means something to you because you see it. if it didn't mean anything to you you wouldn't see it. that's why raves connect, right there. man, i love the subconscious when i can bring it out. i feel these wires. swirling nrg. -- andy ______________________________ From: ahawks (riboflavin flavored) Subject: Re: Rudy Rucker Date: Thu, 4 Mar 93 12:43:10 MST ______________________________ From: the! | |Does anyone have Rudy Rucker's email address? As I recall, celebrity email |addresses were listed in an old edition of the FC FAQ, but they're not |there any more - only the names.. yeah, i gave in to the thinly veiled curtain of supposed "elitism" of the well, since that's where most of thosre folx are and acknowledged a unspoken desire for privacy over there.... well, lesse, without giving too many hints, he works at Autodesk and he has a first name..... ;) | People interested in RR's work might want to look upvolume 124 of |"Contemporary Authors", which carries an interview. One of the things I |learned from Rucker's entry in this biographical series is that he is a |member of the Church of the SubGenius ... I want to know what kind of drugs he does....everyone says he's a drug fiend, but, uh, if we are to believe what he said in Mondo he doesn't like psychedelics, and he doesn't seem like a junkie...maybe he does... wkz....who knowz... he's probly into ketamine....i could see that..... -- andy ______________________________ From: ahawks (riboflavin flavored) Subject: Re: BBS ideas wanted Date: Thu, 4 Mar 93 12:44:58 MST ______________________________ From: the! ask David Smith....his file colelction is one of the best *I've* seen. -- andy ______________________________ Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1993 15:08:05 -0500 (EST) From: SOONG_ASSIST@DAFFY.MILLERSV.EDU Subject: Cyberpunk artwork, anyone? Just a few questions concerning some cp artwork: ***** * 1 * I happen to think the that digitized images that stare out from the ***** covers of William Gibson's Neuromancer, Count Zero, and Burning Chrome are, to quote a famous cult hero, "groovy." Does anyone know of any ftp sites that might have these pictures in GIF format? Actually, it would also be nice to have them in BMP format so I could use them as a Windows desktop. ***** * 2 * Along those lines, can anyone tell me where I could get a GIF viewer ***** for windows? I checked all the local BBSs in my area and couldn't find one that worked. Hell, I think really digresss back up to my first question... Is there a way to use GIF's as a desktop for Windows on my PC? Anyway... ***** * 3 * Now that I think about it, I wouldn't mind taking a look at any ***** other cp artwork as well as the Gibson stuff. Any info would be appreciated. Please leave me e-mail, or if you think that anybody else would be interested, post it. Thanks again. --Adam "I don't have a cool cyber-handle yet" Plowcha ______________________________ From: ahawks (riboflavin flavored) Subject: Re: Future of the net... (2) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 93 13:18:57 MST ______________________________ From: the! | |with more and more people getting net.access, via nyx, freenets etc |the net must evolve if the reams of information available are to |become usable to the gen public. how many people would be willing |to learn about telnet email ftp irc etc, from a command line type |interface anyway the tek will get easier to use of course....i'm sure lots of crap will be just like Finder sooner or later...click on: _ _ _ _ _______ |_|_|_|_| / . . \ __________ |_|_|_|_| -----> < > > |== []| |_|_|_|_| <----- \ { } / | === | \_____/ |__________| telnet ftp irc email this *could* happen now, of course, the resources are there, it's just maybe the ent doesn't *want* to get big...i think i want it to.... |what this is all about is that I want some help / info. A lot of |people in FC seem to be writing, andy .rez etc for examples. |I have various bits and pieces from the FC FAQ plus some of the more |interesting posts from FC. What I want is info regarding opinions |on the net email comms etc, seems like another survey -- much |apologies, but the net is such a handy place for getting quick |response well, the past few daze we've established the net is not consensus. so, within the unconsensus of the net, Usenet is the consensus. within the unconsensus of the net and Usenet, elists are the consensus. whin the unconsensus of the net and Usenet and elists, IRC is the consensus. I have participated in all of these at one time or another and at the same time, and for me e-lists and IRC are it, with MUDs coming in third, Usenet 4th, talk 5th. talk doesn't really count, it's the same thing as a 2 person PRV irc channel or query or whatever, plus you see how the person can't type, so, it's like being in a conversation with a person with a stuttering problem -- if you're not used ot it you focus on the stutter subconsciously not alwaze consciously, and you miss the overall ability to see the big picture of the text. MUDs don't really count in my mind as much as IRC because it's *ultimately* a game. Even TinyMU*s, where there is no goal, just an environment, is for the msot part a game. it's not interaction for the sake of interaction like IRC or elists. and i'll also offer up that for some people IRC is a game, when it becomes a powertrip. the potential of email and IRC communities is far greater than anything in life, because geography is thrown out the window 90%. [btw, i'm not including Usenet in here because it *is* a community, just doesn't have the solid foundation of community that elists and IRC seem to]. and of course you pick and choose who and what you want to be associated with, which is one of the benefits/consequences of "geography not included". each list develops it's community and individual elist style, which may be very broad or refined, with a particular niche, overlapping niches, meta-niche, etc. watching *and* participating in these different is a lot of fun, eye opening, interesting, bonds can be made, it can be very emotional, etc., ask rez. what's interesting to me is the fact that i see a non-ceasing in specualization and thusly individualization within the lists, seemingly to the point where everyone will have their own as myself and others have said before. many of us are at the point where we're on so many lists, you find weird conenctions between what mail goes where, and for what reason. for example, someone may reply privately to a post you make on, say, leri. you may not know that the intent of the message was private, or from leri, because there is heavy overlay at times, it ebbs and flows. so, you make yer reply, and then send it back to the extropian list, since that's where you think it came from. i know that one of these daze, i'm going to read a message i posted to one list, reply to it telling the original person (me) that they're wrong, and then send the reply to a second list. so, to the people on the second list, it would look as if i'm having a conversation with myself and decided to let a whole bunch of unknown and unwilling participants in on it. BUT! at the same time i was doing that, someone would inevitably reply to the reply-to-self post from the second list, even if it has nothing to do wih the content of that list, and post the reply to he list and maybe Cc: it to another.... elist chaos.... we're not there tho because the elist environment s much more controlled and controllable comparable to IRC of course... it's not real funny, i think it will happen sooner or later. |reply personally if you want to keep S/N ratio down, keep the |complaints off me. s/n, man, why not invent the telegraph while you're at it! s/n flew out the window a long time ago.... |gav | |u9009914@athmail1.causeway.qub.ac.uk <-- preferred |gr.bell@v2.qub.ac.uk :: undergrad Psychology/CompSci -- andy ______________________________ From: arthurc@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Arthur Chandler) Subject: Cyberpunk Art Date: Thu, 4 Mar 93 12:21:33 PST I think some of the most imaginative cyberpunk art is being done as rave flyers. If you have a local store where you can get them, start collecting. Also, the freebie magazine *Urb* and the slick magaine *Sin* sometimes have interesting stuff. ______________________________ From: ahawks (riboflavin flavored) Subject: Re: Cyberpunk artwork, anyone? Date: Thu, 4 Mar 93 13:33:31 MST ______________________________ From: the! | |***** |* 3 * Now that I think about it, I wouldn't mind taking a look at any |***** other cp artwork as well as the Gibson stuff. i'm into virtual artists (gee, there's a surprise). art that was created on computers is so damn cool, because it has so man6y possibilities: you can reconstruct and deconstruct any and all previously existing artwork or non-art art, animation, math art (fractals - i zone to my fractal calendar every nite with UFOrb), multimedia, music, e-text art (random e-poetic terrorism et al), etc. Anyway, all of Mondo is done on Macs, and Mondo (new issue looks groovy as awhole) features e-artists now. In, umm, crap, in either issue 7 or 8 they profiled Kawaguchi who is one of the more renowned e-artists. His work is very post-trippy, really taking advantage of the potential of computers to create new worlds as yet unseen. Joicihi Ito (are you on here?) was involved in that article in Mondo, could probly give you more info on Kawaguchi. Joichi is a groovy-lookin guy who was pictured in Details magazine a while back in a very cool t-shirt, I might add. He's working with Timothy Leary, if I remember right, and when Bruce Eisner said on the Leri list that 'Timothy Leary has people sort through leri for him' i assume he means Joichi, cuz he's posted there. |--Adam "I don't have a cool cyber-handle yet" Plowcha | -- andy ______________________________ From: ahawks (riboflavin flavored) Subject: Re: Cyberpunk Art Date: Thu, 4 Mar 93 13:43:54 MST ______________________________ From: the! | | I think some of the most imaginative cyberpunk art is being done as rave |flyers. If you have a local store where you can get them, start collecting. |Also, the freebie magazine *Urb* and the slick magaine *Sin* sometimes have |interesting stuff. YES! definitely....Rave art is wonderful, some of it (A&A printing, who does Electric Company and Poor Boy raver stuph here in CO, for one) even looks like Kawaguchi meets Warhol in 1993. Project X is another magazine to pick up, not only for the rave stuph, but because the last issue I've got (with the wonderfully beautiful and natural-xtacy-invoking Kirsty from Opus III on the cover) also has interviews with Gibson, Ashbaugh, Begos. Oh, I just remembered, I think Ray Gun is created entirely on Macs, so there's more computer art. Ray Gun is a nice mix of hard-edged stuff that looks straight out of the METROPOLIS exhibit, pomo/industrial, if you want to label it's individidual aesthetic (Ray gun, that is). Rave art really was a good choice tho. It's the culmination of art and culture, andy Warhol on acid with a Mac. I believe a few months ago Brian B of SFRaves fame i'm gonna li posted a whole bunch of Bay Area fliers up on soda.berkeley.edu in pub/sfraves. The cypherpunks archives are also there, so, soda.berk should be in yer .netrc by now....;) I NEED MY MAC! AARGH! -- andy ______________________________ Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1993 14:11:41 +0600 (CST) From: wild animal Subject: Re: semantic suggestion Somewhere in net.time, riboflavin flavored slavered: > i have just made a major conenction in my mind. people should/could > differentiate between tripping on the net and tripping *ON* the net. agreed...there have been times when things just sort of melted into a net.lump and time stood still - five hour session dissolves into mere seconds... > > tripping on the net is like, taking yer favorite physical > hallucinogenic substance, getting on the net, which has alwaze been > called a netrip as far as leri is concerned. > > what i'm saying is that "netrip" the word itself, is too intertwined > to be invoked, assisted by psychedelics like acid. netrip to me now > implies tripping *ON* the net. no drugs. you get there. the net is > the only drug in a netrip. yep...the same way some people trip on tv (yuck!) commercials....i have actually seen some friends zombie out when watching it...real scary. it happens to me sometimes when i am on the net...i am lost in some sort of hallucinogenic fuzz that net.outsiders can not get through...real scary. almost lost my girlfriend that way... > > aargh. i can't explan it. FUCK! there's a parallel - i can't > explain it, you just have to do it. you don't NEED acid to netrip, > and you most certainly don't NEED other people on acid or on a netrip > to netrip via contact high. i think you just did, you just need a net connection and you are off... > > EVERYONE GET HERE > > netrip > net.trip - i was concentrating so hard on the stuff that i was doing on the net - my field of vision tunneled down to a fine focal point with just the screen at the center (it seemed very far away - but not unreadable) and the keyboard was lost and my hands were just....well not there...but i was typing just fine...it was as if i had bubble-morphed with the terminal.... now i do it automatically....virtu-real phun.... i don't want it to stop, but it is anti-rl-social...it can cause problems.... i have to really watch myself when my gf is around so i do not get lost and tune her out....sometimes tuning in can tune out things that are really important in our lives....does this make sense? i am addicted to the net - i can not sleep sometimes for want of the net - the net must expand or i will get bored....cored....dumped....is there anybody out there? or am i just a net.personality with out fingers hacking in a virtu-real haze of techno-bubbles, grasping at 'delia enhanced beams of synaptic energy that are bouncing back and forth across my net.mind, like the lasers at a pink floyd concert....a little boy tries to grab the pig and it breaks and millions of little piglets gush forth like the turkey scene in WKRP.... and the little boy is crushed and pulled inside of a million little piglet tummies where the acid breaks him down and fries his mind.... > > it's like acid > but you don't need acid Andy said it, EVERYONE GET HERE.... > > there's a Matrix in my mind.....intellibeams and swirling amoebas of > fractals, lights, and lasers on the grids, it breathes and lives "and > faces pop out". it means something to you because you see it. if > it didn't mean anything to you you wouldn't see it. > > that's why raves connect, right there. > > man, i love the subconscious when i can bring it out. > > i feel these wires. no doubt > > swirling nrg. > > -- > > andy > cybyr ______________________________ From: ahawks (riboflavin flavored) Subject: something to try Date: Thu, 4 Mar 93 13:52:03 MST hey guess who...;) in the past few months, after zoning out to UFOrb all nite, every nite (on repeat on my cd changer) i got sick of it, but now i'm back into it again. if anyone has any ambient music (drum beats and vocals wake you up) that they feel connected to in a deep way, try this: keep it on in one room at a low volume all day and all nite, for at least a few daze straight. this may sound weird, but, doing this seems to give my bag of Dorito's Tortilla Thins Salsa N Cheese Flavor an energy. UFOrb also gets me netripping, there are sounds that resonate deeply with the colective uncosncious, me thinks.... also, if possible, try pumping it into your bathtub (without electricuting yerself of course), and turn off the lights and make it a sensory deprivation experience except for UFOrb. this is kind of like the "get to know the possibilities of watching yer tv" discussions we had a while back, but different. -- andy ______________________________ From: StevenJ Subject: re: c-punk artwork Date: Thu, 4 Mar 93 15:20:40 CST ______________________________ From: the! No, but I'm sure there's someone on FutureCulture who must have or know of someone who has access to a color scanner and can scan these into .gif's. I could store them on one of the systems here if someone can scan them and send them to me. Anyone... anyone? ->***** ->* 2 * Along those lines, can anyone tell me where I could get a GIF viewer ->***** for windows? I checked all the local BBSs in my area and couldn't -> find one that worked. Hell, I think really digresss back up to my -> first question... Is there a way to use GIF's as a desktop for -> Windows on my PC? Anyway... Do you have access to an archie server? This is how you could search the ftp sites for viewers and stuff. BTW, there is a routine to convert .gif to .bmp for exactly what you're looking for. See above for ways to find it. ->--Adam "I don't have a cool cyber-handle yet" Plowcha -> Steve J. White homoNuevo --------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The goal of science is the destruction aragorn@convex.csd.uwm.edu of all mystery." - B.F. Skinner aragorn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu ______________________________ Date: Thu, 4 Mar 93 16:30:35 EST From: rsweeney@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Rob Sweeney) Subject: Carousel, richer text stuff.. Blake Sobiloff writes: >Adobe's Carousel technology (or whatever it's being called today) >is probably worth waiting for, if the rumor mills are to be >believed. It seems to mix SGML with an interactive viewer >technology (you can annotate the original) in a compressed >format. Of course, that was last week's version -- this week >the specs could have changed... :-) Anyone know where such specs, or any other teknical info on this, can be found? thanks, /rs Rob Sweeney ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Swiss Bank Corporation | Applied Wizardry, Inc. Trading Systems - Front Office Development | New York, NY New York,NY | rjs@swd233_sbcny.swissbank.com rsweeney@gandalf.rutgers.edu ______________________________ Date: Thu, 4 Mar 93 18:12:02 EST From: majcher@acsu.buffalo.edu (Murali) Subject: c-punk artwork :No, but I'm sure there's someone on FutureCulture who must have or know of :someone who has access to a color scanner and can scan these into .gif's. I :could store them on one of the systems here if someone can scan them and send :them to me. Anyone... anyone? Sure. I've got all the books, and I work in a graphics lab... color scanner ahoy. Expect 'em in a bit...how and where do y'all want 'em? Murali majcher@acsu.buffalo.edu "I am forever in your debt!" New Edge Consulting Services | "Nonsense...how can a friend P.O. Box 156, Amherst, NY 14226 | be in debt?" 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