From - Wed Jan 14 17:31:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.UU.NET by mrco.carleton.ca (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA12548; Wed, 3 Mar 93 19:40:52 EST Received: from nyx.cs.du.edu by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA05981; Wed, 3 Mar 93 19:35:32 -0500 Received: by nyx.cs.du.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01978; Wed, 3 Mar 93 17:31:46 MST From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (andy) Message-Id: <9303040031.AA01978@nyx.cs.du.edu> X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of Denver. The University has neither control over nor responsibility for the opinions or correct identity of users. Subject: FutureCulture Digest #273 To: future-digest@nyx.cs.du.edu Date: Wed, 3 Mar 93 17:31:43 MST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 10235 X-Lines: 302 X-Mozilla-Status: 8001 ______________________________________________________________________ |______________ / | | / | | u t u r e <___________ u l t u r e | _______________________________________________________________________| Issue #273 Wednesday, March 3rd 1993 Today's Topics: --------------- found this in my box today Info versus Truth Information Freedom -- and -- Free Information (Usenet) Methinks of an observation Re: dweebsville (fwd) re: found this in my box today Re: Methinks of an observation re: the truth? regarding: found this in my box today __________________________________________________________________________ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1993 21:08:20 +0100 From: cardell@lysator.liu.se Subject: Information Freedom -- and -- Free Information (Usenet) Andrew Clark suggests that cyberspace began with writing. Although I maybe agree I can't stop myself from saying that what is generally thought of as starting with writing is *history*. When it became possible to document the state of affairs the history began. Everything before writing is considered archeology, not history. Regarding ethics I think you're wrong when you say that one deprives the maker of a program their hard work when you copy their program. The copyright holder might be the author of the work, but the one that is protected through copyright is the software company/publisher, not the author. The author gets paid by the publisher/software company, not by the buyers of the book or the software. So the copyright is their to protect the publisher, not the author at all. I, as a member of an electronic publishing firm, don't believe in copyright. What I charge for is not the individual works but the *access* to them. I don't publish a book to get people to pay money for it, but to make my public access service more attractive. People pay me for the service, not the book. See the GNU Manifesto for more rantings on this subject... mikael cardell S P U N K P R E S S ______________________________ From: ahawks (albert hofmann) Subject: found this in my box today Date: Wed, 3 Mar 93 14:24:43 MST |Subject: send info |To: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (andy) |Date: Wed, 3 Mar 93 9:54:08 CST | |Please send me any info that you may have. Thank you. | WhAt shold I do? How should I reply? AARGH! he shouted loudly PS- all you #leri people, what's up? IRC is still *there* ya know.... -- andy ______________________________ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1993 14:56:04 -0700 From: = drow = Subject: regarding: found this in my box today sire hawkeye (but i don't KNOW any opie! stop SAYING that!) doth write: > |Subject: send info < |To: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (andy) > |Date: Wed, 3 Mar 93 9:54:08 CST < | > |Please send me any info that you may have. Thank you. < | > < WhAt shold I do? How should I reply? this is a problem which hath vexed me and a host of wizards for many years now, the construction of a hypercomplex meme or thereof which doth contain all the in/f0rmation that one might possess, and its expression and transmission. it would seem that the ideal expression of "knowledge" of a much varied nature is hyper, for which the current internet structure is uniquely ill suited. all that i might suggest then, is that ye devise a frightful clever script to mirror unto him all files that ye may have in thy account or computer save those of a personal or incriminating nature, and append his name to all mailing lists that ye may, that we may bestow unto him all the great knowledge and thoughts that we here hath and shall devise. drow who doth with great hope await that day when the last human who knows that d00d is properly spelt dude might pass from this world, and we might rejoice. ______________________________ From: Femail Delivery Subs Subject: re: found this in my box today Date: Wed, 3 Mar 93 16:13:56 CST ______________________________ From: the! This in itself is an amzaing statement/query. Think about the possibilities. If everyone on FC sent this person EVERY piece of information they had at their net.fingertips then his/her e-mailbox would overflow in a matter of minutes. Besides the sheer logistics of their own personal problems of their mailbox filling up, just think of the sheer magnitude of the content of all that net traffic/data ... whew, the mind boggles. [boggle boggle] ->WhAt shold I do? How should I reply? Use the rcp (UNIX remote copy) command and copy all the files in all of your directories into his e-mailbox. Heh heh. =) Steve J. White homoNuevo --------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The goal of science is the destruction aragorn@convex.csd.uwm.edu of all mystery." - B.F. Skinner aragorn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu ______________________________ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1993 14:26:07 -0800 (PST) From: Arthur Chandler Subject: Info versus Truth But what if we were to send *only* those things which we were absolutely certain to be true. Bet the inflow would be much smaller. :<) ______________________________ From: Femail Delivery Subsystem Subject: re: the truth? Date: Wed, 3 Mar 93 16:54:02 CST ______________________________ From: the! Well, I never said anything about truth. But, how about validity. Anyone else currently enrolled in a first semestre logic course? ;-) Steve J. White homoNuevo --------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The goal of science is the destruction aragorn@convex.csd.uwm.edu of all mystery." - B.F. Skinner aragorn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu ______________________________ From: sdw@meaddata.com (Stephen Williams) Subject: Re: dweebsville (fwd) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1993 16:38:22 -0500 (EST) > > from the mouth of Mark Baldwin > > Can anyone tell me my coastal slant from reading this? ] > ] __ __ > ] / |\ / |\ > ] / ||/ || > ] / |/ || > ] / /| /| || > ] / / | //| || > ] /_/ |_// |_|/ > ] ____ > ] / \ \ > ] | /\ \ \ > ] \ \/ \ \ > ] \ /\ \ \ > ] \ \ \/_/ > ] \ \_\ > ] \/_/ > ] ____ > ] / \_\ > ] / /\ |_| > ] \ \/ /_/_ > ] \ __ \_\ > ] \ \ \/_/ > ] \ \_\ > ] \/_/ > ] __ > ] /\ \ > ] /\ \ | | > ] \ \/ /_/_ > ] \ __ \_\ > ] \ \ \/_/ > ] \ \_\ > ] \/_/ > ] > ] o o o > ] > BOSS .sig! Waste away! > > Sebastian Hassinger > hassinge@sfu.ca That signature is about 400 characters! Only one full line length more than mine: sdw -- Stephen D. Williams Local Internet Gateway Co.; SDW Systems 513 496-5223APager LIG dev./sales Internet: sdw@world.std.com CIS 76244.210@compuserve.com OO R&D Source Dist. By Horse: 10028 Village Tree Ct., Miamisburg, OH 45342 GNU Support ICBM: 39 34N 85 15W I love it when a plan comes together ______________________________ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 93 14:12:29 CST From: "John Coryell." Subject: Re: Methinks of an observation >Another observation is that most of the people on this list will >understand what I just didn't put into this sentence. I.E we share a common >series of writings, could the Illuminati Trilogy be in some way a pre-curser >to the "cyberpunk" genre? > >Along similar lines would there be interest in some advance information about >the next trilogy? Robert Shea lives in this area and in a few short weeks I >will be speaking with him. I could perhaps get some stuff to post out of >that. (he will be at a local con which I in years past started. Through the >past 4 years of it he and I have become friends) > > til next time (another archaic word) > > Quietus Sabas > >sjc4@midway.uchicago.edu shannon@collatz.rh.uchicago.edu Am I wrong, or isn't there also a listserv discussion group on the writings of Wilson, Shea, et al.? Not that I'm trying to insinuate any degree of proprietoriness -- if you do speak with him and have any interesting information to pass along, please do. John Coryell. ______________________________ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 93 19:00:14 EST From: majcher@acsu.buffalo.edu (Murali) Subject: Methinks of an observation :Am I wrong, or isn't there also a listserv discussion group on the :writings of Wilson, Shea, et al.? Not that I'm trying to insinuate Nope - you're not wrong. There is a list/group set up for just such a purpose, fnord-l@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu, or the usenet newsgroup bit.listserv.fnord-l. Unfortunately, it's not been used much for its intended purpose - more of an Underground Literary thang for disturbed children. Ah, well...the only thing that will "save" it is a sudden and abrupt influx of interest in the real topic... Murali majcher@acsu.buffalo.edu "I am forever in your debt!" New Edge Consulting Services | "Nonsense...how can a friend P.O. Box 156, Amherst, NY 14226 | be in debt?" 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