From - Wed Jan 14 17:31:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.UU.NET by mrco.carleton.ca (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA11972; Wed, 3 Mar 93 13:53:36 EST Received: from nyx.cs.du.edu by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA26987; Wed, 3 Mar 93 13:42:53 -0500 Received: by nyx.cs.du.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15522; Wed, 3 Mar 93 11:31:53 MST From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (andy) Message-Id: <9303031831.AA15522@nyx.cs.du.edu> X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of Denver. The University has neither control over nor responsibility for the opinions or correct identity of users. Subject: FutureCulture Digest #272 To: future-digest@nyx.cs.du.edu Date: Wed, 3 Mar 93 11:31:47 MST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 22868 X-Lines: 596 X-Mozilla-Status: 8001 ______________________________________________________________________ |______________ / | | / | | u t u r e <___________ u l t u r e | _______________________________________________________________________| Issue #272 Wednesday, March 3rd 1993 Today's Topics: --------------- Call for Articles: Virtual Culture and Law (fwd) conspiracy info Methinks of an observation NEW ZINE Re: hey! Re: IRC forray/net.culture.evolving Re: security survey __________________________________________________________________________ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 93 19:02:13 +1100 From: Kenneth McKenzie Wark Subject: survey Hello. I'm doing a survey to find out how many people on the list are sick of fuckin' surveys. In exchange for your time and patience my grad school and i promise we will do absolutely nothing useful for you or the internet. You will not recieve the results of this survey. You will not know what the information was used for. have a nice day ______________________________ From: root@rmsdell.ftl.fl.us (Yanek Martinson) Subject: conspiracy info Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1993 14:28:45 -0500 (EST) Try anonymous ftp to red.css.itd.umich.edu and look in directory /pub/Politics/Essays/Conspiracy. I have not looked at what's there myself, this is not a recommendation or approval, just a pointer to something that may be of interest. -- Yanek Martinson yanek@novavax.nova.edu ______________________________ Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1993 08:51:23 -600 From: snewton@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Steven E. Newton) Subject: Re: security > >Do you think the internet is secure? > Sure. And monkeys might fly out of my butt. >What types of security measures would you like to see put in place? > Pleugh. >In an ideal world, how would security work? What would be protected? >What kinds of measures would you need to gain access to the information? > >Should the DES be the standard for encryption? > The above two are related. Here's the deal; to date, the paradigm for security has been to restrict, control, or prevent access to a given system based on some kind of identifier key. But to me, this is like the government of a city controlling entry at the city limits. Sure, it *might* work for a small town, but in a place like my hometown here, it just isn't going to work. The usual paradigm for security in a city is that the "authorities" attempt to maintain a secure environment by preventing and punishing trespassers, but in truth, personal safety and security is up to the person. In Houston, you just don't leave the doors to your home unlocked and your valuables unguarded, unless you *want* to lose them. Nobody here believes the cops can control or lock up all criminals. The question is, why do users persist in believing that the sysadmins can truly control all system access, and why do they forget that people with legitimate access to the system can also cause trouble? The analogous paradigm to real-world security in computer security is to expect the sysadmins to take certain steps of varying success to maintain a secure system, but for each user to evaluate the criticality of his or her individual information and take steps to protect it. The primary step, of course, is encryption, either not-very-safe DES or, preferably, one of the newer private key/public key encryption schemes. Then a user knows that if a person gains access to a system, like a thief living in their neighborhood, then the user's data is reasonably secure, like a deadbolted and alarmed home. Oh yeah, the nice thing about data is that offsite backups can allow you to completely recover it if lost. Too bad you can't backup up your TV, VCR, home computer hardware, etc! >Do you think access should be restricted? (period, should all information just be free?) > Let me put it this way: Are the blazing letters you and your SO exchange information that wants to be free? Are you sure? >Do you like people who make anonymous postings? > >Should a human have _any_ part of the anonymous servers? > I don't know, I never met any. Heh. But serious, anonymity has a long and distinguished history in literature, and if absolutely necessary the identity of the anonymous poster can usually be determined. As for human intervention, I suppose the computer is going to spontaneous start and maintain an anonymous posting service? No? Guess somebody's hands have to get dirty, so I hope it is a nice person. >What do you think of Hackers? Do you like them? Are the a benefit? > Hacker as in real hacker or hacker as in what is has been distorted to mean in the popular conception? >What do you think of the NSA, FBI, CIA, and everything else government related? > I'm not even going to touch anything as large as "everything else government related". >If you knew how to hack into your bank account and change the amount of money you had, would you? > No. Query: Do you possess your wealth or does your wealth possess you? s __ + + + + + + + |snewton@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu You can make it foolproof, |Nobody else speaks for me, but you can't make it damnfoolproof. |and I speak for no one else. | + + + + + ______________________________ From: ahawks (yoda's lovechild) Subject: Re: hey! Date: Wed, 3 Mar 93 8:22:01 MST ______________________________ From: the! | |what's high weirdness by email doing in the fc digest?! i thought i |forwarded it to _andy_ just now, not to the whole list! i mean, its made |to be circulated, but i didnt know if FC wanted to see the whole damn thing... aargh i's called: "that one message in 100 that doesn't filter throughy my mailfilter correctly, and inevitably it's either something very long or very private." -- andy ______________________________ From: ahawks (yoda's lovechild) Subject: NEW ZINE Date: Wed, 3 Mar 93 8:41:47 MST Ok, I'm starting a new zine...Paper....wow, what a switch.... Here's this post I've prepared to send around to different areas of the net. Umm, please let me know if the post looks ok, etc., or what I should/could change..... --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hello. My name is Andy Hawks, and I am the publisher of a new zine called "[the] Infinite Edge". Information about the zine follows, but for now I will give a quick overview of myself and the basic intentions of this new zine. For approximately two years now, I have been producing, electronically, a text file entitled The FutureCulture FAQ. This message is intended to be spread electronically, primarily, so I am sure many will be aware of the jargon used here. But for those that are not, FAQ stands for Frequently Asked Questions and is a guide or handbook if you will. My FutureCulture FAQ file then, pertains to varying aspects of, as the name implies, culture in the future. This file arose out of an interest primarily in cyberpunk fiction, particularly the idea that "cyberpunk is really about the present". ______________________________ From: there,! The file continues to grow and morph, and the initial response to it prompted me to begin the FutureCulture E-List. Those who share an interest in the topics discussed in the file can participate in in-depth or light-hearted discussions via the FutureCulture E-list, which has proven to be an interesting and unique addition to the vastness of cyberspace. Readers and participants in FutureCulture have included at one time or another a wide variety of sociologists and anthropoligists, authors and writers, hackers, scientists, students, and prominent "cyber-" oriented figures. For a long time, I have dismissed print media in wake of the interaction I saw occuring via e-media, such as the FutureCulture list, and I would be one of those to shun society's love affair with paper in wake of advancing computer and networking technologies. Yet through a seemingly unending discussion regarding the scope of the popular phrase "information wants to be free", I have found my love affair with e-media to in fact be quite out of date. That may seem contradictory to some, yet if we are truly to arrive at an infoculture of global real-time interaction via cyberspace, we must first look at the world in which we currently inhabit. We live in a world where paper and television are the informational messangers of choice to the masses. Thus, in an attempt to further propagate information to as wide an audience as possible, I have begun [the] Infinite Edge zine. The zine will be printed in black & white and 8 1/2 x 11", using Macintoshes and laserprinters. Below follows a basic text outline of what [the] Infinite Edge will look like sans graphics and design, of course. I am looking for submissions and assistance with this project from all angles: fiction writers, essayists, ranters, graphic designers, artists, poets, etc. Submissions are welcome in any form, in any style, in any tone, though that is not a guarantee that everything I receive will be printed. Due to lack of available resources, I am unable as of yet to reward monetarily those who contribute to [the] Infinite Edge. I have little money, and my primary interest is producing the highest-quality zine possible, containg an immense spectrum of information. If you would like to contribute to [the] Infinite Edge in any way, shape, or form, please send all queries, submissions, tips, words of wisdom, etc., to me on the Internet at: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu If you do not have Internet access, please send mail to: Andy Hawks 4290 South Mobile Cir. #D Aurora, CO 80013 USA [the] Infinite Edge ___________________ Focusing on the Edges of Culture, examining the Fringes of Reason and the Reasons of Fringe, the Here and Now and Soon-to-Be, via unstrcutured Tones that Ebb and Flow from In-Form Information to Formless Rants of Altered States. [the] Infinite Edge is Divided into the following sections: GENESYS Notes from the Editor, Leters from those that Grep and/or Grok the Infinite Edge. 32-BIT Soundbytes of the World, Unite and Take Over. Blurbs pertaining to interesting news and products, quotes, technology, factoids, etc. MODERN Cultural Commentary - Realizing, Focusing, and Morphing the PostModern World. Rants, Essays, Theses, Observations, Predictions, Analyses, Streams and Rivers of Consciousness. -SUB The Depths of the Underground Subcultures. Rants, Essays, Theses, Observations, Predicions, Analyses, and Information. E+ The Virtual World. News, Notes, Notables and Quotables, Rants, Essays, Theses, Observations, Predictions, Analyses, Communication, Teknologies. VILLAGE VIEWS Interviews (I-Views) and E-Views with those who Surf, Ride, Make and Break the Edges of Culture. STREAMZ Fiction on The Edge: Transreal, Hyperreal, SlipStream, Cyberpunk, Post-Cyberpunk, [insert_any_word_here], etc. MEDI8 Reviewing, Analyzing, and Commentary regarding Popular and Underground Media: Books, Magazines, Zines, E-Zines, E-Books, Hypertext, Music, Film, Video, Television, Software, etc. MOBIUS One Last Informational Fix, Closing Words, Late-Crashing News, etc. If you would like to contribute to [the] Infinite Edge in any way, shape, or form, please send all queries, submissions, tips, words of wisdom, etc., to me on the Internet at: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu If you do not have Internet access, please send mail to: Andy Hawks 4290 South Mobile Cir. #D Aurora, CO 80013 USA --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- andy ______________________________ From: StevenJ Subject: Re: IRC forray/net.culture.evolving Date: Wed, 3 Mar 93 11:06:29 CST ______________________________ From: the! It's easy for us to say this because we have net access. Most people, however, don't. I believe this is the true source of the elitist/snob tendencies which extend into the net from the real world. It would be difficult for this not to exist, though, because as the technology sits it's very difficult, if not impossible, for most people to know that the net even exists or that it is something more than just a bunch of byte-heads hanging out talking about C source-code (if they even knew what THAT was). So, I'm not flaming or jumping down your net.throat, it's just that we will be seen as elitist because, well, we are, merely because of our collective position within the world of computer technology and the ways in which universities & corporations have access to the current tech. Once more people know of the net and what it *really* is then the elitism will bne shifted to something else. There wil always be an in-group and an out-group ... human nature methinks. ->elitism is a whiny word. those who use it to defame individuals and ->groups, imho, are those who are not ready or not wanting to see things ->in a certain light. the exclusivity aspect of elitism is bullshit. ->if you're there, you're *there*. i hope that makes sense, cuz tat's a ->key opint, but sense cannot be made it must be sensed (KingMsl ref). You do have a point, here, but it just works out that what we are and what we have, we being those with net access, is defined as elitist by its nature of being the VAST minority population-wise. ->in other words, elitism, like evrything else, is relative. yep ... hopefully without contradicting myself Steve J. White homoNuevo --------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The goal of science is the destruction aragorn@convex.csd.uwm.edu of all mystery." - B.F. Skinner aragorn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu ______________________________ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 93 11:24:58 CST From: Shannon John Clark Subject: Methinks of an observation Just an observation about the language usage that we oft employ. I have noticed in the past few days that many people in the network employ words and forms of words that elsewhere are considered archaic. For example oft, methinks, twill, are often seen in computer writings. Is this a trend? Perhaps it is an extension of steampunk attitudes? Though I was using methinks long before I ever heard/read anything in the "steampunk" genre? Another observation is that most of the people on this list will understand what I just didn't put into this sentence. I.E we share a common series of writings, could the Illuminati Trilogy be in some way a pre-curser to the "cyberpunk" genre? Along similar lines would there be interest in some advance information about the next trilogy? Robert Shea lives in this area and in a few short weeks I will be speaking with him. I could perhaps get some stuff to post out of that. (he will be at a local con which I in years past started. Through the past 4 years of it he and I have become friends) til next time (another archaic word) Quietus Sabas shannon j. clark BJC Council, BJ-FOOD committee, BJ computer chair School: (312) 702-5339 Scribe Medieval Society Home: (708) 848-2205 Quietus on HoloMuck (collatz.rh.uchicago.edu 5757) 1st and 1.5th floors Linn, Poet, Writer, Editor, SMOF sometimes 713A BJ Courts location always indeterminate sjc4@midway.uchicago.edu shannon@collatz.rh.uchicago.edu ______________________________ From: Marlin Johnson Subject: Call for Articles: Virtual Culture and Law (fwd) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 93 11:18:00 CST CALL FOR ARTICLES ARACHNET ELECTRONIC JOURNAL OF VIRTUAL CULTURE SPECIAL ISSUE: VIRTUAL CULTURE AND LAW Issue Editor: James Milles (millesjg@sluvca.slu.edu) The Arachnet Electronic Journal of Virtual Culture (EJVC) announces a call for papers for a special issue on Virtual Culture and Law, to be published in June 1993. Virtual culture is computer-mediated human experience, behavior, thought, meaning, action, or interaction, such as electronic mail, conferences, and journals; information distribution and retrieval; the construction and visualization of images, representations, or models of reality or worlds; and global connectivity. The Arachnet Electronic Journal on Virtual Culture is a refereed journal whose purpose is to foster, encourage, advance, and communicate scholarly thought, (including analysis, evaluation, and research) in multiple disciplines about virtual culture. Papers for the special issue may address any aspect of the intersection of virtual culture and law, from the practical (such as copyright and liability issues) to the theoretical (the law and virtual communities; computer-mediated communication and the future of law.) EJVC seeks authors who do not have established publication records, as well as established authors with reputations as scholars and experts. All manuscripts will be given at least three blind reviews by a jury of referees. EJVC uses multiple styles, flexible among articles but consistent within any given article. Any recognized standard of style shall be acceptable; however, for the Special Issue, either _The Bluebook: A Uniform System of Citation_ (15th ed.), or APA style, modified for ASCII, shall be the preferred style, allowing for creative styling if essential to the integrity of the article. Each contribution shall conform to the following minimal form: Articles shall start with an abstract/description (< 200 lines) Number paragraphs and pages Provide internal/in-text citation Provide electronic references where appropriate Superscripts in text/endnotes ^2^ Use blank line separators between paragraphs, which shall have no indentations Provide only substantive endnotes All submissions must be by electronic mail to James Milles, Saint Louis University, Special Issue Editor (millesjg@sluvca.slu.edu). The deadline for the June 1993 special issue is May 1, 1993. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Editorial Board (EJVC Founders/Arachnet Moderators) (3) Ermel Stepp, Marshall University, Editor-in-Chief M034050@Marshall.wvnet.edu Diane (Di) Kovacs, Kent State University, Co-Editor DKOVACS@Kentvm.Kent.edu A. Ralph Papakhian, Indiana University, Consulting Editor PAPAKHI@@IUBVM Consulting Editors (17) Anne Balsamo, Georgia Institute of Technology ab45@prism.gatech.edu Patrick (Pat) Conner, West Virginia University u47c2@WVNVM.WVNET.EDU Skip Coppola, Applied Technology, Inc. skip%aptech@bagend.atl.ga.us Lydia Fish, Buffalo State College, SUNY FISHLM@SNYBUFVA.BITNET Cynthia J. Fuchs, George Mason University cfuchs@gmuvax.bitnet Stevan Harnad, Princeton University harnad@Princeton.EDU Edward M. (Ted) Jennings, University at Albany, SUNY EMJ69@ALBNYVMS Michael Joyce, Vassar MIJOYCE@vaxsar.vassar.edu or USERTFSG@UMICHUM Jay Lemke, City University of New York JLLBC@CUNYVM.BITNET Carl Eugene Loeffler, Carnegie Mellon University cel+@andrew.cmu.edu Willard McCarty, University of Toronto editor@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA James (Jim) Milles, Saint Louis University millesjg@sluvca.slu.edu Algirdas Pakstas, The University of Trondheim, Norway Algirdas.Pakstas@idt.unit.no A. Ralph Papakhian, Indiana University PAPAKHI@@IUBVM Bernie Sloan, University of Illinois, Champaign AXPBBGS@UICVMC.BITNET or b-sloan@uiuc.edu Allucquere Roseanne Stone, University of Texas, Austin success@emc.cc.utexas.edu Kali Tal, Viet Nam Generation kali@access.digex.com Associate Editors (21) Robert J. (Bob) Beebe, Youngstown State University ad219@yfn.ysu.edu David W. Brown, Ball State University 01dwbrown@LEO.BSUVC.BSU.EDU Kathleen Burnett, Rutgers University BURNET@zodiac.rutgers.edu G. Phillip Cartwight, University of California, Davis PCARTWRI@KENTVM Paulo A. Dasilva, Military Institute of Engineering, Brazil S9PAULO@IMERJ.BITNET Jan George Frajkor, Carleton University, Canada gfrajkor@ccs.carleton.ca Dave Gomberg, University of California, San Francisco GOMBERG@UCFSVM Mary Hocks, University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaigne mhocks@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu Nancy Kaplan, University of Texas, Dallas NKaplan@utdallas.bitnet Brendan Kehoe, Cygnus Support bk@well.sf.ca.us Joan Korenman, University of Maryland, Baltimore County korenman@umbc2.umbc.edu or korenman@umbc Steven D. Koski, St. Bonaventure University KOSKI@sbu.edu Sharyn Ladner, University of Miami SLADNER@umiami.IR.miami.EDU Lyonette Louis-Jacques, University of Chicago llou@midway.uchicago.edu Joseph Psotka, Army Research Institute PSOTKA@alexandria-emh2.army.mil Martin E. Rosenberg, University of Kentucky MROSE01@UKCC.uky.edu Laverna Saunders, University of Nevada, Las Vegas saunders@nevada.edu David Sewell, University of Rochester dsew@TROI.CC.ROCHESTER.EDU Christinger (Chris) Tomer, University of Pittsburgh ctomer@vms.cis.pitt.edu or ctomer+@pitt.edu Stuart Weibel, OCLC stu@oclc.org Bob Zenhausern, St. Johns University drz@sjuvm.stjohns.edu or drz@sjuvm.bitnet ----------------------------------------------------------------- James Milles Special Issue Editor, EJVC Issue on Virtual Culture and Law Head of Computer Services Saint Louis University Law Library millesjg@sluvca.slu.edu _________________________________________________________________________ | | | That's all for today! | | To send a message to the list: future@nyx.cs.du.edu | | To subscribe/unsubscribe/change format: future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu | | All other requests: future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu | | List Maintainer is: (andy [aka hawkeye]) ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu | |_________________________________________________________________________| | | | The opinions expressed in FutureCulture are those of the individual | | author only. | |_________________________________________________________________________|