From - Wed Jan 14 17:31:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.UU.NET by mrco.carleton.ca (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA11431; Wed, 3 Mar 93 01:37:38 EST Received: from nyx.cs.du.edu by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA14169; Wed, 3 Mar 93 01:29:58 -0500 Received: by nyx.cs.du.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03696; Tue, 2 Mar 93 23:30:17 MST From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (andy) Message-Id: <9303030630.AA03696@nyx.cs.du.edu> X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of Denver. The University has neither control over nor responsibility for the opinions or correct identity of users. Subject: FutureCulture Digest #271 To: future-digest@nyx.cs.du.edu Date: Tue, 2 Mar 93 23:30:16 MST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 15887 X-Lines: 389 X-Mozilla-Status: 8001 ______________________________________________________________________ |______________ / | | / | | u t u r e <___________ u l t u r e | _______________________________________________________________________| Issue #271 Tuesday, March 2nd 1993 Today's Topics: --------------- change to educate or at least pontificate mister broos Music project... Re: Phased and Defused Re: security Re: what? oh! are we recording now? Request: Information/Contacts in New Communications Media __________________________________________________________________________ From: erik@src4src.linet.org (Erik VanRiper) Subject: Re: what? oh! are we recording now? Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1993 22:48:42 -0500 (EST) > i am thinking about setting up a mud that is directed toward the > environment and to be used by 3rd to 6th graders. my vision of the mud > is that the lil'mudders will be able to talk with the animals and plant > trees and learn about the different environmental problems that are > plaguing (sp) the planet. i need input. help. maybe this could be > a net type of thing that links people from all over, perhaps the > lil'mudders could go to different sites in different countries....... > basically i just wanted something that would allow the next generation > of CG/CP'ers (that's computer geeks/cyberpunk'ers) to learn a little > about the things that tech alienates them from. This sounds like an excellent idea. I like it alot. > what are your thoughts.....? I am truly sorry that the first thought that came to my 10% utilized cranium is this: kinda hard to hold coffee in an enviromud. Sold at stores everywhere. I know... but it is late, and I just got back from some very strange filking thing.... -- erik@src4src.linet.org )_( Long Island freenet Project Bill & Socks in '96! )_( +1-516-968-7824 Source for Source Pub Access Unix )_( 666-5877 665-1091 or 665-1160 Geeks Anonymous Join Today! )_( Join today! 1-900-BE-A-GEEK ______________________________ From: zane@ddsw1.mcs.com (Sameer Parekh) Subject: Re: Phased and Defused Date: Tue, 2 Mar 93 18:48:21 -0600 In message <9303021230.AA16528@laurel.ocs.mq.edu.au>, Kenneth McKenzie Wark writes: > > Of course my heart just bleeds and bleeds for Kitch Kapor and Bill Gates, > who have been so impoverished by this henious practice. > These two have not been impoverished by piracy. What about systems in which the installed base is TINY? I take the Apple IIGS for example. There is SUCH a small market out there, that piracy REALLY hurts the developers. (Just a comment-- i don't want to start a piracy war.) > Sterling's Hacker Crackdown will be avilable free (he sez) on the net > some time in November - about a year after its out in hardback. Hence > the solution to the cash nexus problem has to do with the speed of > information. You pay a premium to get it fast (in hardback) you get > a discount if you want it a bit slower (paperback) and now you can get > it extra slow and free. > That's a really good plan, IMO. ____________________________________________________________________________ | Sameer Parekh-zane@ddsw1.MCS.COM-PFA related mail to pfa@ddsw1.MCS.COM | | Apprentice Philosopher, Writer, Physicist, Healer, Programmer, Lover, more | | "Be God" - Me ____________________________________________________________/ \_____________/ ______________________________ Date: Tue, 02 Mar 93 20:19 CST From: P30TMR8%NIU.BITNET@UICVM.UIC.EDU Subject: change to educate or at least pontificate Received: (from MITVMA.MIT.EDU for via BSMTP) Received: (from MAILER@MITVMA for MAILER@NIU via NJE) (UCLA/Mail V1.410 M-RSCS1744-1744-50); Tue, 02 Mar 93 11:47:22 CST Received: from MITVMA by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id 4996; Tue, 02 Mar 93 12:47:14 EST Received: from eff.org by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Tue, 02 Mar 93 12:47:14 EST Received: by eff.org id AA28032 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4/pen-ident for caft-list); Tue, 2 Mar 1993 12:42:05 -0500 Date: 28 Feb 93 20:19:53 -0600 From: dfitzgerald@MAC.CC.MACALSTR.EDU Message-Id: <1993Feb28.201953.3497@mac.cc.macalstr.edu> Organization: Macalester College Sender: comp-academic-freedom-talk-request@EFF.ORG Subject: Request: Information/Contacts in New Communications Media To: comp-academic-freedom-talk@EFF.ORG(comp-academic-freedom-talk mailing list) Hello. On behalf of my (undergrad) seminar on new communications media I'd like to touch bases with anyone studying the following: We are looking for sources and scholars studying muds and other forms of net behavior on internet, usenet, and bbs's. We are also interested in virtual reality, multimedia, and hypertext. The emphasis is on social effects (legal and educational among other areas), but we would certainly welcome material on any other general aspect of these things. (Basically we are just interested, and would be happy with anything anyone wished to throw at us). If anyone knowing of such sources, or studying such forms of communication themselves were to drop a message in my account, or in my snail mailbox, I'd be quite grateful. I'm sure that any information anyone has to send us will be extremely useful (and appreaciated!). Thank you, Dean Fitzgerald dfitzgerald@macalstr.edu box 1263 27 Bridge St. NEC Henniker, NH 03242 By the way: I won't be able to check my account regularly, so I won't be able to get on to thank you for possibly a good amount of time. ______________________________ From: jesse@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (Jesse Davis) Subject: Re: security Date: Tue, 2 Mar 93 22:30:20 EST I'm posting this not because my answers are particularly fascinating, and I sure hope that 150 other people don't do the same, but it lets me make some points i've been waiting to make to the list for a while now....-Jes. strake will someday say: - -Do you think the internet is secure? - Ho ho, hee hee, ha ha.....(rolls on floor, suddenly becomes grim): no. I routinely assume that anything that leaves this machine is grepped for drug references, phracking references, some phone numbers, the word 'password' and anything following it, and god knows what else. -What types of security measures would you like to see put in place? - None. I feel much safer in an anarchy where we all need to build our own walls for protection than in an oligarchy where we're safe from everybody except Big Brother. -In an ideal world, how would security work? What would be protected? Why, whatever people wanted to protect, of course -- provided it's theirs. -What kinds of measures would you need to gain access to the information? - Ideally, permission of the owner. "Just because I leave my doors unlocked doesn't give you license to rob my house." -JP Barlow -Should the DES be the standard for encryption? - Whose standard? I'll use what I want to use, thank you kindly. -Do you think access should be restricted? (period, should all information just -be free?) - access to *what*? the net? no, and i'm willing to back that up with my taxes. individual accounts? sure, if the owner wants to restrict it. Should information be free? Yes, but that's an ethical issue, not a legislative one. That is: I'd like to write, and see other people writing, software and text to be marketed as 'favorware': If you read/ use it, you owe me 1/2 hour of your time; you can email me telling me what you think you can do for me. Maybe you can do 1/2 hour of research for me, maybe you can, oh, i dunno...and if you're time's *really* worth that much to you that you don't want to give me 1/2 hour of it, that's fine, send me $10 instead. But damned if I want you legislating it. -Do you like people who make anonymous postings? - Depends what they're posting. If you're asking whether it bothers me that they're posting anonymously, no. -Should a human have _any_ part of the anonymous servers? - The anonymous servers are services generously provided free of charge; it's not my place to tell the people running them what to do. In addition, I don't see that there's a way for me to know that anyway; if they're bullshitting me about their motives, well, there's not a lot I can do about it, and them claiming that they never go near it at all isn't going to be any more trustworthy. - What do you think of Hackers? Do you like them? Are the a benefit? - That's a definitional question, and i'm not going to address it because the definition is contested. What do I think about people who do malicious damage of any kind to other people? I think that they're doing something really shitty. What do I think about people who are into exploring the limits of a system? I admire them and wish I had their patience. What do I think about people who "liberate" information? That's a tough one, and i hesitate to make any statements on anything but a case-by-case basis. Do I *like* them? Which one? What's his name? Have I talked to him? -What do you think of the NSA, FBI, CIA, and everything else government relate - Terrified of it. I reluctantly think that some of it may be necessary, but I don't want any of it near me or the people I love. -If you knew how to hack into your bank account and change the amount of money - I wish you hadn't asked that. The only thing I can say is that I've very deliberately made choices that keep me away from $-related temptation on that scale. I'm quite capable of returning a $10 bill that someone drops; whether I'm capable of turning down $10000 at corporate expense is something I don't ever want to find out. - J. ______________________________ Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1993 23:04:58 EST From: bhd0@Lehigh.EDU (-heather) Subject: Music project... I wonder if you guys would be willing to help me... I am presently taking an english class on "Cyborgs and Cyberpunks", and I was thinking of doing my final project on Cyberculture and Music. This project would have several facets, the largest of which is the part I would need your help with. I want to survey readers of this board (as well as members of my class) about what types of music, and specifically, which groups you listen to. What do you like about it? Do you hear it on college radio, or independent stations? What influences your musical preference, if anything? And any other thoughts you may have on the subject. I may have more questions as the semester progresses. Will you help me? I plan to post my findings here at the end of the year, so you can see what the survey amounted to. If you can help, just send a response to me: bhd0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu rather than cluttering up FC with it. You'll see it all once I get it together. I appreciate your help, in advance, thanks... -h *******WARNING-reading all my quotes could take a long time.****** **************** newest ones are at the top **************** "If it wasn't for disappointment, I wouldn't have any appointments" -They Might Be Giants "You shouldn't bow to _anyone_" -Henry Rollins "Cold is God's way of telling us to burn more Catholics" -City Gardens' wall, Trenton, NJ "I shall not fail, nor falter, I shall succeed. My perception is altered I do beileve. I feel no fear, to be here is oh so fine, shining brightly like sunlight inside my mind... I can move, move, move any mountain." -The Shamen "Spread peanut butter, not AIDS" -Cynthia Nelson "Fear is a little darkroom where negatives are developed." "Closets Are For Clothes." -seen at "From All Walks of Life", a Boston walk-a-thon to benefit AIDS research "The other day I was...oh, wait a minute, that wasn't me..." -Steven Wright "If all of the ignorance in the world passed a second ago, what would you say, and who would you obey?" -Live "If I don't know what's cool, will they call me a loser? If I don't bend the rules, will I stay a loser?" -Ned's Atomic Dustbin "When we are alone, you are the cat, you are the phone, you are an animal. Words I'm sayin' now mean nothing more than meow to an animal. Wake up! Smell the catfood in your bank account. Don't try to stop the tail that wags the hound." -They Might Be Giants "Stop yawning. Start yearning" -Ned's "Ninety-nine percent of the people in this world are fools. The rest of us are in danger of contagion." -Thorton Wilder "Sometimes the light's all shining on me...other times I can barely see...lately it occurrs to me... what a long, strange trip it's been" -The Dead "It's 106 miles to Chicago, we have a full tank of gas, a half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark out, and we're wearing sunglasses." -Elwood "Hit It." -Joliet Jake "Men go crazy in congregations, they only get better one by one." -Gordon Sumner "Do you love?" -Stephen King ______________________________ From: rjordan@crow.omni.co.jp (Robert Jordan) Subject: mister broos Date: Wed, 3 Mar 93 13:22:15 JST i told the crazy guy to send this to fc himself, but he sent it to my "america" account instead...oh well, from the well to netcom to kdd in tokyo back to nyx and then out to -- what did you say andy -- 40,000 readers?? c'mon, why stop at 40,000. we're all affecting each other insantaneously anyway, without the electronic links (see einstien-podolsky-rosen paradox)... (on 4 hits of acid) anyway, just wanted to pass this info along, cuz i remember someone besides me wondering about it: > From bruces@well.sf.ca.us Mon Mar 1 06:54:53 1993 > Return-Path: > Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1993 06:53:33 -0800 > From: Bruce Sterling > Message-Id: <199303011453.AA12303@well.sf.ca.us> > To: omnibus@netcom.com > Subject: Re: onegaishimasu... > > You can ftp my stuff off ftp.eff.org /pub/agitprop or > from tic.com... I forget the name of the file. I think > the ZEN & INTERNET thing is on ftp.eff.org too, but I > don't know where. There's a lot of weird stuff in there. _________________________________________________________________________ | | | That's all for today! | | To send a message to the list: future@nyx.cs.du.edu | | To subscribe/unsubscribe/change format: future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu | | All other requests: future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu | | List Maintainer is: (andy [aka hawkeye]) ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu | |_________________________________________________________________________| | | | The opinions expressed in FutureCulture are those of the individual | | author only. | |_________________________________________________________________________|