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Subject: FutureCulture Digest #204 To: future-digest@nyx.cs.du.edu Date: Sun, 31 Jan 93 11:30:40 MST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 31822 X-Lines: 776 ______________________________________________________________________ |______________ / | | / | | u t u r e <___________ u l t u r e | _______________________________________________________________________| Issue #204 Sunday, January 31st 1993 Today's Topics: --------------- ...OH. ok. just checking. thanks! 3jane Assorted ramblings Bodyart intro kultur Re: body modification Re: intro Re: META re:clothing Re: neural implants Re: now it's time Re: Persian citizens Re: Time Magazine now!?!? UT? __________________________________________________________________________ Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1993 22:26:43 -0800 (PST) From: Al Billings Subject: Re: Persian citizens On Sat, 30 Jan 1993, Paco Xander Nathan wrote: > Ok, how many other Persians are there on FC? Maybe we > could start a little "student protest" eh? Takes a few > gateways hostage, munch on some chele kabob, khube.. My boss and her husband are Persian. I read translated Persian poetry and the Moorish Orthodox Church of America (MOCA) states that I am Persian (because of my Celtic ancestry) of which I am an Imam. I should post the MOCA intro to the list here. Grendel Grettisson aka Mustafa Bey Imam of Greater Wallingford ___ | | | ___ | | /| | | | | | | _| | | | _| | /_| | | | | | | | o_|__|____| | | | o |_o____| | | |__|__| | o_|__|__|___| ___/ oo ___| |___| ___| ___/ o In the name of ALLAH, the Benificent, the Merciful, I wish you peace. ______________________________ From: hassinge@sfu.ca Subject: Re: META re:clothing Date: Sat, 30 Jan 93 22:46:41 PST from the mouth of k-rad d00d!!! ] ] Too large? signal/noise? Relative. ] ] One man's noise is another.......... ] ] =) ] Throughout the whole affair, the list has kept growing in size, and if ] people don't like the messages they can easily skip to the next.... True, I suppose my real problem with the thread was, being a style hound, I couldn't resist at least peeking at the 150 or so messages the question generated. Guriosity gilled the gat. ] ] |both best when accompanied with some actual, useful info/opionion/analysis. I should have added: /a good laugh. ] ] I agree though, the standard net.ettiquette with such matters is to ] say "email me please" and then post summaries, data, facts, notable ] quotes, etc. in a more condensed format.... now you went and made me feel like an crotchety.old.net.fogey! It'll take me days and hundred of megs of wasted bandwidth to recover! ] ] ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu FutureCulture: In/f0rmation ] ahawks@mindvox.phantom.com future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -fold here- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Ha!sSinge # "well we had to drown the gat, but we saved you two gittens" ------> Sebastian Hassinger, dehabiltated net.lurker: hassinge@sfu.ca <------ "run, run as fast as you can, you can't catch me, I'm the gingerbread man!" ______________________________ Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1993 22:48:50 -0800 (PST) From: Dolgnagerdyia Friltkashnovist Subject: Re: Time Magazine now!?!? On Sat, 30 Jan 1993, happy zamboni wrote: > just read this article on alt.cyberpunk : > > THe cover story dated 2/8/93, which appears on Monday, is devoted > to Cyberpunk, with sections on the Internet, Mondo 2000, the WELL, > cyberpunk SF and the like. Premise: that cyberpunk may be the > defining counterculture of the computer age. > > {end quote} > So what the hell's going on y'all? (I know, this isn't a "cyberpunk" > list , but there is a lot of overlap, at least in what the main-stream > media's view is..) > Any comments? Anyone seen any early copies? Would like to hear what > time's slant on all that is.. > -Zamboni I'm personally tired of the publicity. the only thing it's going to do is 1. get a bunch of posers on the net, claiming to be cybrepunks, flooding the news threads with bogus rantings. 2. typify and "hollywoodize" our culture that we'll be scornde as "trendy schizophrenics" and 3. get people like the govt. and other mainstream agencies to take another look at us and find better reasons to harrass us. (us-not saying that WE are even CYBERPUNK) not that this stuff doesn't already exist, but we sure the hell dont want more. It was always more fun to be "alternative" when it was "uncool" ...when people would call you "faggot" "batcaver" etc. but now, in seattle, for instance, everyone is grunge, (even my lil sis, who listens to Janet Jackson) and the entire point for being "grunge" or "punk" or "politicaly correct" or "hippie" is dead. it's even becoming trendy to be bisexual and S&M. and that's whatl happen to us. even if we dont "esteem" ouirselves as cyberpunk, everyonoe else will. liq -who's sig file ran away ______________________________ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1993 00:26:53 -0700 From: amerika@spot.colorado.edu Subject: kultur Hey Andy, Did you ever get that letter I sent via U.S. Post? Sent it to Mobile South. Here in Boulder. Got your scene from bruces at well. Did I mention the Black Ice Books in that letter that you did (or maybe didn't) get? I'd like to send you some stuff on that. How does someone like me who's publishing net-friendly fiction expose the wares (and tears)? Just checked out the Merc. Some monkey band with afro-pop intentions. They're breaking up after this last of gigs. Can I get a FutureKultur update? Would you like to see the books? Mark Amerika ______________________________ Date: 31 Jan 1993 03:09:53 -0600 (CST) From: "free agent .rez" Subject: 3jane ...who is 3jane? .rez ______________________________ Date: 31 Jan 1993 03:09:53 -0600 (CST) From: "free agent .rez" Subject: 3jane ...who is 3jane? .rez ______________________________ Date: 31 Jan 1993 04:07:23 -0600 (CST) From: "free agent .rez" Subject: ...OH. ok. just checking. thanks! >...who is 3jane? [deleted] thanks again, all. .rez ______________________________ Date: 31 Jan 1993 04:07:23 -0600 (CST) From: "free agent .rez" Subject: ...OH. ok. just checking. thanks! >...who is 3jane? [deleted] thanks again, all. .rez ______________________________ Date: 31 Jan 1993 04:24:54 -0600 (CST) From: "free agent .rez" Subject: Re: now it's time liquid: >I'm personally tired of the publicity. the only thing it's going to do is >1. get a bunch of posers on the net, claiming to be cybrepunks, flooding >the news threads with bogus rantings. 2. typify and "hollywoodize" our >culture that we'll be scornde as "trendy schizophrenics" and 3. get people >like the govt. and other mainstream agencies to take another look at us >and find better reasons to harrass us. (us-not saying that WE are even >CYBERPUNK) not that this stuff doesn't already exist, but we sure the hell >dont want more. well, guess we'll just have to become more sure of ourselves and the company we keep (and how we go about KEEPING it), eh? .rez? ______________________________ From: "Benjamin P. Wing" Date: Sun, 31 Jan 93 05:41:32 EST Subject: Re: body modification Lurker here, coming out of the shadows ... In article <9301302338.AA22838@nyx.cs.du.edu> you write: |New fresh-scented *-heather* (150% real fruit juices!) says: || ||Let's talk about body modifications. I don't mean implants as such, but, like, ||things we already have (i.e. body peircing and tattoos and such). ||I'm interested in what kind of things you people have done, or might do to ||your bodies, and why. ||for instance, I'm thinking about getting a small tattoo. I don't know of what, ||where to get it, or why I want it. I just do. ||for another instance, I know a girl with her eyebrow pierced, and I thgought ||it looked cool. I've never heard of someone peircing their eyebrow? | |Style Alert, leave now while you still can, o slaves to pop culture. =) | |The Accepted Norms (tm) of visisble piercing in this geographic local |seem to be: Eyebrows, nose, earings. of course you just don't see the other kinds :-] | |Tongue piercing seems cool to me, but I don't know if the hole would |grow back or not if I got older and decided I didn't want it. | |It seems the Ultimate piercing, for a guy, might be: | |both ears, both eyebrows, both nostrils, tongue, both nipples, |skin between thumb and first-finger on both hands, belly-button, |penis, scrotum, both ankles[?]. ankles? ouch!!! | |[am i leaving any out? {i'm not sure if I *want* to know any more!}] | hmm ... ever seen a septum pierce? This is a ring in the part of your nose between your nostrils, like what they do to bulls. I think it looks pretty cool, but lots of my friends think it's silly. There's also lots of genital piercings ... foreskin, scrotum, different places on the penis, also the guiche piercing is kind of way down in your crotch, behind your balls. |and then connect 'em all with a web of chains to complete Mr. |Samsonite's look, in the above model. | |Me, I'm content with one ear pierced one time, but I've been debating |getting my other ear pierced. | ||Look at Henry Rollins, or Mike Ness, or Anthony Keidis. What do you think? ||In a way, piercing is like implants, think about it. Integrating our bodies ||with metal. Enhancing ourselves artificially. | |Certainly not a New Idea, been around as long as tribal culture has |existed. | ||I was just wondering if any of you have done things like this, and/or what you ||think about it. | |I think it all depends on your individual character, the context of |your surroundings, etc. | |IMHO, tatoo's are nice, but anything more than 1 small tatoo on the |upper-arm/shoulder/ankle turns me off it's someone I'm going to see |naked or partially-naked a lot. | |However, I like a lot of the major works of body art I've seen |(Rollins for example). A lot of the Japanese artwork is really |great, if That's Your Thing. I also like tasteful, relevant messages, |like the guy in House of Pain that has "End Racism" in a venice-font |across his upper back. That's very nice. | |As far as piercing's, they usually turn me on, on anybody. I used to |know one girl who had shaved her eyebrows, and had each eyebrow |pierced 3-4-5 times, so, yeah, eyebrow piercings are fairly normal (at |least in my environmental surroundings). I've never met any girl with |a nipple piercing, and I don't think I'd want to. you see that on |guys a lot, tho. Nose piercings are cool, IMHO, if it's just a stud. |Genital piercing of any kind seems freaky but cool in a Sade-fashion. |Seems like it would have to be a DIY thing, as you can't walk into a |Claire's Boutique in the mall and say "I want my scrotum pierced" =). | I think piercings on women are really sexy; I'd like to find a woman with labia or clit or nipple piercings (but everyone I know and most of their friends are too conservative to get anything other than standard ear piercings, hmmmph.). But then I like lots of weirdness -- it makes them seem wild and exotic. |That one sounds cool.....What do the women on the list think about |genital piercing on girls or guys? [This seems highly erotic to me]. | ||If money was no object, what would you do? | |What do *you* want to do? | |My personal tastes are fairly conservative (although I don't know if I |can say that after the 2line paragraph above =). | |For tatoos, I'd get a small clover on my shoulder, a melted dali |clock, or a Keith Haring figure-dude. Or maybe something that says |"This is art." on my back (with no graphics). | |For piercing, I might get my other ear pierced, tongue pierced if I |knew it could grow back, and scrotum pierced. | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | | anybody ever done this? email if u have..! | A couple of years ago, I discovered rec.arts.bodyart just about when it began. 'Twas a fascinating group, and inspired me to get a little ol' ear piercing from the local Piercing Pagoda in cultural-wasteland-central- New-Jersey-ville, one day in October a year and some ago. For me this was a big step; but a couple of months later it didn't seem so big anymore, and I decided to do something real big, and went to Gauntlet in NYC and got a Prince Albert. (this is a ring in your dick, around 5/8" in diameter, that goes in through the urethra ["piss-hole"] and out through a hole down below.) It healed quite fast, only a couple of weeks or so, and I've had no problems since. (but strange reactions from friends when I told them about it :-) My earring, on the other hand, never healed, so I took it out last March. A couple of months ago, I went to Gauntlet SF to get both my ears pierced (yes, I know I could've gone anywhere, and paid a lot less, but I wanted to make sure they healed OK, and they have.). Of course I hardly stand out in SF with my ears pierced ... Earrings and nose-rings are mostly for show/decoration; but nipple rings and genital piercings increase the sensitivity, which I think is a better reason to get them. ben ______________________________ Subject: Re: neural implants From: david.brooks@cutting.hou.tx.us (David Brooks) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 93 1:26:00 -0600 ______________________________ From: the! DF> in reply to the post about the implant that hooks up to the brain rather DF> than the auditory nerve: DF> now that we DO or soon wioll have the tech to have the sf DF> equivelant of cybernetic implants, and in reverance of the clothing DF> thread, how far WOULD you people go in replacing body parts? DF> I would probably only do it if those body parts were not completely DF> healthy. DF> liq I would imagine that the co$t of these implants is going to be quite prohibitive for many years to come. Nevertheless, someone will probably go for doberman fangs or some other such Gibsonesque modification before too long, just for the hell of doing it. That someone will not be me. About the closest I can imagine coming to it is having radial keritotomy done to improve my vision... Unless someone knows of a cheap and reliable surgeon who can fit me with a set of antlers! David 100% original parts (so far...) PGP 2.1 Public Key availible on request david.brooks@cutting.hou.tx.us * Q-Blue v0.7 [NR] * ---- +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | The Cutting Edge BBS (cutting.hou.tx.us) A PCBoard 14.5a system | | Houston, Texas, USA +1 713 466 1525 running uuPCB | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ ______________________________ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1993 05:47:21 -0500 From: Paul thomas Mc intire Subject: intro Greetings fellow monitor-burn outs. My name is Paul McIntire and I'm sending this message from Indianapolis, Indiana...(heard of it?) I've recently subscribed to this list-serve, and am quite happy to find it. I feel one of a rare breed in this town. It's great to correspond with fellow future(present)-minded people such as yourselves. Tonight was an historic event here in Indy; we had our first, honest ta goodness, bigger than life, RAVE! Of course, the promoters here just copied the idea from Chi-town & N.Y.C. raves, except they made them completely legal. That was actually kinda nice. I've been to raves in chicago that were illegal, and didn't really dig the feeling of paranoia. It was kinda funny, because later in the evening, the local tv station came out and filmed it over live tv, and many people started showing up from bars around town. I'd like to make a point for objective consideration by this group This commentary has a political flavor. (If you don't want to deal with that, stop reading now... 8-) Why don't we cut all the inefficiency out of our present political structures by simply referring these issues to a centralized global party. I'm sure many of you may think I'm a bit of an idealist, but I think it's going to have to be ideals in action. For example, if we gave the United Nations (or whatever) complete control over a global economy, healthcare, trade treatise, and education; we could virtually eliminate poverty and famine on this planet. Instead of donating food to a starving country...why don't we teach them how to irrigate and farm? I truly believe that, in order to survive as a race, we need to cooperate as one. Would welcome any and all comments. (except the ones about my mother...) pablo. ------------------------------- pmcintir@etsun.tech.iupui.edu ptmcinti@indyvax.iupui.edu ------------------------------ ______________________________ From: zamboni@ap.cl.msu.edu (happy zamboni) Subject: Re: Time Magazine now!?!? Date: Sun, 31 Jan 93 6:27:52 EST In reply to an earlier posting of mine, liquid@hardy.u.washington.edu said : {begin quote} " I'm personally tired of the publicity. the only thing it's going to do is 1. get a bunch of posers on the net, claiming to be cybrepunks, flooding the news threads with bogus rantings. 2. typify and "hollywoodize" our culture that we'll be scornde as "trendy schizophrenics" and 3. get people like the govt. and other mainstream agencies to take another look at us and find better reasons to harrass us. (us-not saying that WE are even CYBERPUNK) not that this stuff doesn't already exist, but we sure the hell dont want more. It was always more fun to be "alternative" when it was "uncool" ...when people would call you "faggot" "batcaver" etc. but now, in seattle, for instance, everyone is grunge, (even my lil sis, who listens to Janet Jackson) and the entire point for being "grunge" or "punk" or "politicaly correct" or "hippie" is dead. it's even becoming trendy to be bisexual and S&M. and that's whatl happen to us. even if we dont "esteem" ouirselves as cyberpunk, everyonoe else will. " {end quote} Well said. All of it. And I think it is damn wierd... (anyone want to lay bets on when the first wave of "post-grunge" or maybe "anti-grunge" bands start getting big press?) -zamboni ______________________________ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1993 05:48:40 -0800 (PST) From: Dolgnagerdyia Friltkashnovist Subject: Re: intro In reply to pablo's thread about centralized world govt... could you be more specific about what you are proposing.. personally, i dont think the UN has the capabilities to handle those situations, were they granted the poewr from on high. There are supposedly (or is supposedly) a group(s?) of (govt's?) working for that "new world order" that the late not-so-great Herr Bush kept ranting about abstractly. from various roomers i have heard (from my christianb fundamentalist parents-who are scared shitless about it) they are already looking for companies to print their new world currency. That's al i really heard, but considering the state of the world, it's not unlikely. just an antithought... liq ______________________________ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1993 05:57:02 -0800 (PST) From: Dolgnagerdyia Friltkashnovist Subject: Re: Time Magazine now!?!? On Sun, 31 Jan 1993, happy zamboni wrote: > In reply to an earlier posting of mine, > liquid@hardy.u.washington.edu said : > {begin quote} " > I'm personally tired of the publicity. the only thing it's going to do is > " {end quote} > > Well said. All of it. And I think it is damn wierd... > (anyone want to lay bets on when the first wave of "post-grunge" or > maybe "anti-grunge" bands start getting big press?) > -zamboni > um have you heard Mc Jagger's new song called "sweet-thing" ? (makes lemon-eating face) ..it brings back bad flashbacks of disco-land (even though i was about 3-4 when disco happened. liq ______________________________ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1993 06:12:37 -0800 (PST) From: Dolgnagerdyia Friltkashnovist Subject: UT? a while back, i saw someone refer to UT (Universal Time) as a time zone. does aonyone know what this is...and what exact timezone itr correlates to? liq ______________________________ Subject: Re: now it's time From: Chaos Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1993 09:37:08 -0500 > >I'm personally tired of the publicity. the only thing it's going to do is > >1. get a bunch of posers on the net, claiming to be cybrepunks, flooding > >the news threads with bogus rantings. 2. typify and "hollywoodize" our > >culture that we'll be scornde as "trendy schizophrenics" and 3. get people > >like the govt. and other mainstream agencies to take another look at us > >and find better reasons to harrass us. (us-not saying that WE are even > >CYBERPUNK) not that this stuff doesn't already exist, but we sure the hell > >dont want more. > > well, guess we'll just have to become more sure of ourselves and the company we > keep (and how we go about KEEPING it), eh? No, its even simpler than that. When someone calls you a 'cyberpunk' it isn't the same as saying you are 'grunge' or you are a 'homie'. I mean if you're a cyberpunk, you have some knowledge of something. Thats whats gonna keep away the poser cyberpunks. I mean, saying that you are a cyberpunk is more like saying you are a doctor than it is saying you are 'grunge'. - Chaos (s442223@nexus.yorku.ca) "do it smoke inhale die young" ______________________________ Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1993 01:54:51 +1100 From: waite07@angis.su.oz.au (Alex Jeffries) Subject: Assorted ramblings Dear FC'ers I find myself with a small amount of spare-time and so would like to send some thought on some current issues being disccused on the list. Tatoos; I majored in Immunology and Molecular biology some years back (just finishing my PhD in molecular biology at the moment...sigh) and I can still remember some immunology. Tatooing results from placing metal flakes and/or dyes under the skin. White blood cells (macrophages and some eosinophiles to be precise) detect these particles as foreign and absorb them (this is called phagocytosis) in a non-humoral response (thatis, antibodies are not involved). These cells then set up home in the area and lie 'dormant'. This mass of immune cells in the dermal layer is called 'a something starting with 'g' but I can't remember'. When you are looking at a tatoo, you are looking at these cells that are holding the coloured substance(s). With age a tatoo can become fuzzy which is due to the slight movement of these cells but by and large one of the characteristics of these cells is there inert nature. Not even the normal chemical signals like macrophage colonizing factor (MCF) can budge them. Therfore, I see no way to make these cells move to your commands. I don't see how magnetism could do it even if the coloured materials used were metal flakes and the use of tropic factors like MCF would never be accurate or selective enough. I also doubt whether electrical signals would work. I hate to be a party pooper. :-( Piercings etc.; (WARNING:RAMBLE) On the subject of body modifications/mutilations. I personaly would not augment my body in any way. I even go to the extent of not changing or damaging my body overtly such as tatooing or even ear piercing. Ever since I was an adolescent I have maintained the mentality that the real test of what I am is to use what I have to the best that I can. It's sort of along the lines of Harry Seldon's famous line "Violence is the last resort of the incompotent" (Asimov's Foundation). Implicit in this ethos is the belief that the mental can always win out. That with enough thought and patience situations can be made to advantage to an extent far superior than a physical method could obtain. This is a bit of a cult of the intellect admittedly. As a spin off I have been left with the belief that changing my physical self is a greatly inferior way of gaining respect and/or influence over others compared to what I can do with my mental charisma. Now before you start flaming me here, how many of you who have or have considered getting, say a nipple, pierced have been motivated purely by aesthetics? Moved by the ineffable muse of self-expression to create a new and evocative art form that simply had to be done regardless of whether another human being would ever see it. Or did thoughts of people saying, "Gee! You must be a unique/mysterious/interesting individual!", go through your mind? Don't get me wrong, I think that this mentality is in all of us whether we admit it or not. It is the basis of ALL fashion which we have only too recently seen is a subject very close to the surface and why not? Our dress sense is a very succinct and non-verbal way of makeing a statement to others as to at least a degree of our character. But the good thing with clothes is that if we change our minds, or more accurately, if they are changed for us (and don't think they're not) then we can chuck them in the nearest charity bin and start again. But with a 2 inch safety pin stuck through your nose there is a degree of no going back you would have to admit. Think of the movie Lawnmower Man. All show and not much substance (or at least not very subtle substance). Too much show and shock value in one's fashion can tell people exactly the same thing about yourself. Hrumpf! Now I'll get off my soap box and wait for the brick-batts to be thrown. The assimilationn of subcultures; I remember reading Michael Chadwick's famous book on the history of the Christian religion where he suggests that one of the main reasons for the popular spread of Christianity was the Roman sacking of Jeruselum. His agument is that the Jesus sect was in the process of being assimilated into the orthodox Jewish religion when the bloody Romans unwittingly stopped that process by destroying Jeruselum. If this had not happened, the Jesus sect may have been pacified and everything would have been swept under the carpet. Apparently this had previously happened to a number of other heretical schisms. I believe, with Noam Chomski, that this method of assimilation and subsequent dilution/pacification of a potentially destabilizing movement is regularly used by conservative societies/governments. The cutting-edge can never be hung on the wall. When cyberpunk becomes mainstream then it's all over. The mirror shades are cracked and the 2 inch fingernails pulled out. But I know I'll be seeing alot of you deeper down in the 'sewer'. What am I saying? I think you all know otherwise you wouldn't be here. BLACK; As a last negative just a note from a pedant. To all who were wearing the 'colour' black in the clothes survey, black is not a colour, it is the total abscence of colour. But I'm sure you all already knew that. Alx ajeffrie@waite.adelaide.edu.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------- To remember what is was to be a struggling lawyer makes a good judge. To remember what it was to be a student makes a good teacher. To remember what it was to be a child makes a good parent. Sheldon Zenner defence attorney for Craig Neidorf June 1990 "Phrack" trial -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________ From: hassinge@sfu.ca Subject: Re: body modification Date: Sun, 31 Jan 93 6:59:05 PST from the mouth of Jennifer M. Collins ] ] > ->|Well, I've considered getting a fractal tattoo. ] > -> ] > ->If this was done controlled by like a Macintosh Quadra, that would be ] > ->some serious cool shit. ] > ] > I say we figure out a way to implant a small CPU to control the tatoo and ] > make it change randomly, or zoom in/out as a fractal gen'ing app would do. ] > ] > -> ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu FutureCulture: In/f0rmation ] > -> ahawks@mindvox.phantom.com future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu ] > ] > Steve J. White ] > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- What about, instead of jumping ahead to a tattoo controlled by a micro- processor imbedded under the skin (actually, if anything, I'd like one of those for my beard -- stop growing now, grow here, not there...hmm) END DIGRESSION OF DIGRESSION: right! instead of a chip controlling a tattoo once it exists on your skin, what about a computer running a fractal program and using the data generated to run a tattoo gun? i.e. generate the pic of good ol'Mandelbrot you like (or acid warp, texturesynth, anything, really) lie down under the robot arm holding the gun, and let it rip (ooch). -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -fold here- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Ha!sSinge # "well we had to drown the gat, but we saved you two gittens" ------> Sebastian Hassinger, fragmented abstractionist: hassinge@sfu.ca <------ "run, run as fast as you can, you can't catch me, I'm the gingerbread man!" ______________________________ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1993 11:15:33 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine M Leonard Subject: Bodyart An interesting idea, the marriage between metal and flesh. I know piercings have been around for millenia, but conceptualizing them as a blend of flesh and metal seems uniquely (Cyberpunk? New Edge?) {fill in the blank}. Regarding the furor over clothing and such, I did enjoy reading what everyone had on, but I do agree that some sort of reflection on the whys of why we wear what we wear would be in keeping with FC's intent to explore culture. There is a doctor in Philadelphia who specializes in body piercing. The cost is roughly the same as for tatoos, but he emphasises sterility (something I worry about from stores). He gets a lot of business from the gay and S/M communities. I was going to have him pierce my nose, but the $68 charge made me decide to take the time to find a store that practiced some sort of sterility. I actually found one. The woman carefully washed her hands and soaked the gun in alcohol. My nose still managed to get infected, in spite of my careful use of alcohol and neosporin (for the inside). I want to get my eyebrow pierced next, but would like to see someone else's piercings up close to check for smoothness, etc. Unless anyone has a suggestion, I guess I'll save my pennies and have the Doc do it. I wonder if I'll be less likely to get an infection if I have a doctor do it? Cate cate@brahms.udel.edu _________________________________________________________________________ | | | That's all for today! | | To send a message to the list: future@nyx.cs.du.edu | | To subscribe/unsubscribe/change format: future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu | | All other requests: future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu | | List Maintainer is: (andy [aka hawkeye]) ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu | |_________________________________________________________________________| | | | The opinions expressed in FutureCulture are those of the individual | | author only. | |_________________________________________________________________________|