From - Wed Jan 14 14:55:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.UU.NET by mrco.carleton.ca (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA18334; Sun, 31 Jan 93 01:36:00 EST Received: from nyx.cs.du.edu by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA25632; Sun, 31 Jan 93 01:35:05 -0500 Received: by nyx.cs.du.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA27737; Sat, 30 Jan 93 23:30:45 MST From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (andy) Message-Id: <9301310630.AA27737@nyx.cs.du.edu> X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of Denver. The University has neither control over nor responsibility for the opinions or correct identity of users. Subject: FutureCulture Digest #203 To: future-digest@nyx.cs.du.edu Date: Sat, 30 Jan 93 23:30:44 MST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 39131 X-Lines: 1061 ______________________________________________________________________ |______________ / | | / | | u t u r e <___________ u l t u r e | _______________________________________________________________________| Issue #203 Saturday, January 30th 1993 Today's Topics: --------------- Consensus Manifesto Cybernetic Enhancements Cyberpunk cover of TIME Magazine Fractal tatoos (was Re: bodymods) Here's my 2/100 too. I would replace... IRC #leri Looking for Matt Kelley + Email Music mail delivery error manifesto Manifesto's & Spaghettio's neural hacking Paco is Bouncing Re: Announcing 10-Base-T RAVE RADIO Re: body modification Re: body modification Re: Cybernetic Enhancements re: fractal tatooes Re: META re:clothing re: more on the drug thinh Re: Paco is Bouncing Re: Persian citizens Re: Wired Re: Wired Review re:body modification re:body modification Recommendation for people interested in "cyberpunk" stuff: comp.dcom.telecom the future Time Magazine now!?!? Wired __________________________________________________________________________ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 93 23:21:03 -0800 From: Brian Willoughby Subject: Re: Wired Review Mo' WIRED criticism: One thing that really struck me was how much WIRED parallels those self-named "cutting-edge" radio stations in several ways. The latter usually find themselves a list of "cutting-edge" songs to play, based on some sort of "safe" market survey, advertise their self-proclaimed elite status, and then proceed to follow the *exact* same format as the rest of the radio stations - namely: heavy rotation geared towards sales of advertisements. I mean, suppose, just suppose, that somebody doesn't /like/ Basia? I don't care how many times a station tells me they're different from the rest, once they run a loser song through heavy rotation, they've lost me! This is where WIRED really bored me: they followed the exact same layout rules of every other boring magazine in the world. i.e. spend no more than a couple of pages on an article (or until the pictures run out) and then continue the article at the end along with the tail ends of all the other articles. Is there some kind of code in magazine journalism which requires these dregs? I've heard of spaghetti code, but isn't that frowned upon? Why make a casual reader trudge through something that a programmer would complain about reading? (well, its not /that/ bad...) I guess I never noticed how much more enjoyable Mondo 2000 is with their articles intact. Not only that, but Mondo makes things easy/enjoyable by grouping similar articles together. I skip the fashion section (and the designer drug stuff), but if I'm in the mood for music one day, I don't need to flip through half the mag searching for related articles (or for the rest of the current article, for that matter). I don't read many magazines, so I guess I took Mondo for granted after a while. Flipping through WIRED made it painfully obvious *why* I don't read many magazines! I'll admit that Mondo doesn't have enough hard-core information enabling readers to actually /take part/ in the edge of high tech (I want to learn things that I can use to hack hardware now!). Regrettably, I suppose I missed the good old days of _High_Frontiers_ and _Reality_Hackers_, but I haven't seen anything current to top Mondo 2000 for the overall picture (of what I like in a mag). As a pseudo-disclaimer, I haven't read many electronic 'zines and I've already admitted that I don't read many other "normal" magazines. So sue me for having possibly formed a half-baked opinion. Its just that when I pull out a yardstick for measuring printed material, Mondo 2000 is the best I have to go by. (As for 'lectronic reading, nothing beats a cool ftp site for "grouping similar articles together" when I'm looking for useful info on a particular topic!) | ... the Corporate | Advertisements. ... Yes, it seems like the greedy folks behind WIRED went out selling their ad space along with a campaign to educate selected computer hardware companies on how to look hip for their new mag. | As I glanced through the pages to take | in the visuals I must say that as the page numbers got higher, | they seemed to drop off, the 'Wow neat-o' effect dwindling | until the last few pages are just reminiscent of something | banal as Time, boring black text on white background. If | you're gonna be about future-hype, why go halfway? The | 'comic', for lack of a better word, and the end also | terminates in some sort of anti-technological sentiment that | just threw me. --- Brian Willoughby Software Design Engineer, BSEE NCSU BrianW@SoundS.WA.com Sound Consulting: Software Design and Development NeXTmail welcome ______________________________ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 93 14:05:01 PST From: mark@ganymede.apple.com (Mark Baldwin) Subject: Re: Announcing 10-Base-T RAVE RADIO i'd like a copy of this show. do you play demo tapes? -mark. ______________________________ From: Harry Shapiro Subject: Wired Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1993 09:37:36 -0500 (EST) A number of folks have written about the difference between Mondo 2000 and Wired. I like Wired far more than I like Mondo. I find Mondo to be a bit to hyped. The lay-out is "cool" BUT almost unreadable for me. I find very little hard facts; it is sorta of like a bad comic book. I subscribe to mondo and do find some useful articles. I found Wired to be a bit more corporate, with a more mundane layout; the end result, for me, is a mag. that is easy to read, articles that I found truely interesting, and of which I read all of them. They brought up the Inslaw case, and I think, many other good hard stories. I think everyone should at least give Wired a try. /harry -- Harry Shapiro habs@panix.com List Administrator of the Extropy Institute Mailing List Private Communication for the Extropian Community since 1991 ______________________________ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 93 03:10:01 +1100 From: Kenneth McKenzie Wark Subject: manifesto Just read the bubble manifesto. While there's a lot we could all quibble about, i just want to say that i really liked its optimism. When i say it was a joy to read i mean more than a cliche. cheers Ken ______________________________ From: Ess-tee-ee-vee-ee Subject: re: more on the drug thinh Date: Sat, 30 Jan 93 11:52:21 CST ______________________________ Subject: Here's my 2/100 too. From: the! For some reason I wouldn't see it as necessary to do the filtering out process if we living on something along the lines of the floating Sargasso Sea domes. Life on a ship would be completely different in nature, thus my concerns about drug use. It would be much easier to isolate yourself from the crowd if a floating city is built. Like Henry said later on in his post, kayaking around would be the norm of travel with a few miles so completely separate domes of people would be possible. Steve J. White ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- The opinions expressed herein are aragorn@convex.csd.uwm.edu sometimes those of others. aragorn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu ______________________________ Subject: Re: Persian citizens Date: Sat, 30 Jan 93 9:58:26 CST From: Paco Xander Nathan > Al Billings Speaks: > Gee, let's blame everyone for individuals. I say we go kill all Persian > people because of the way Iran treated American citizens 13 years ago > while we are at it. Azyat nakon! Digar irani inja e? Ref above, unfortunately the problem recurses to a nuther lil' issue about Savak, but hey.. Ok, how many other Persians are there on FC? Maybe we could start a little "student protest" eh? Takes a few gateways hostage, munch on some chele kabob, khube.. Don't worry about the suggestion Al, mishkel nist. pxn. ______________________________ Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1993 13:34:40 EST From: CYBERPUNK@pembvax1.pembroke.edu Subject: I would replace... As soon as they allow the matrix to be interfaced with the brain, I woujld the first in line to receive my new Osaka Datajack(TM)!. ______________________________ From: gcrisp@st6000.sct.edu (Gregory Crisp) Subject: Cybernetic Enhancements Date: Sat, 30 Jan 93 15:43:52 EST Thie first thing I would do is have my eyes replaced with artificial models that had Low-light or Infrared options and "Termo-vision" data readouts and stuff. Next I would get a microcomputer installed in the base of my skull so that I could do high-speed mathimatical calculations in my head and things like that. Next I would get my reflexes boosted and my muscle and bone structure augmented. I might also consider getting a set of cybernetic legs that might let me run faster than a car. Then I would get my net.connections installed. Finally, I would definately have to get a sub-dermal Walkman installed, so I could sit in class or at work and listen to a decent radio station. G Crisp -- PostHuman ver 3.1 ______________________________ Date: Sat, 30 Jan 93 15:39:10 EST From: zamboni@ap.cl.msu.edu (happy zamboni) Subject: Looking for Matt Kelley + Email Music Hi all- I know, I know, this is the totally wrong place for this, but I'd thought I'd ask: Does anyone know or know how I can track down a man named Matt Kelley who currently lives in California. He is an old friend of my girlfriend, and several of her friends. He lived for several years in the East Lansing Michigan area, and other parts of Michigan. He was at that time (3 or so years ago) active on the net, and I believe, from what I hear about him, the "net.dark.corners", as well (which is one of the reasons I ask here - the net is a big place, but at the same time, everbody sees the same people everywhere..) Any pointers would be greatly appreciated. Direct responses to me : zamboni@ap.cl.msu.edu Thanks. Those who requested me to mail you samples - I'm doing it, I'm doing it. The login process on our system was hosed for the last 3-4 days, so when I got on last night finally, i had multiple hundreds of mail to wade through. Thanks for the response and the patience. -Zamboni ______________________________ Date: Sat, 30 Jan 93 16:36:23 EST From: zamboni@ap.cl.msu.edu (happy zamboni) Subject: Time Magazine now!?!? just read this article on alt.cyberpunk : {begin quote} Article 15283 (119 more) in alt.cyberpunk: From: ped@well.sf.ca.us (Philip Elmer-DeWitt) Subject: Cyberpunk cover of TIME Magazine Keywords: cyberpunk mondo WELL Time Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1993 11:10:10 GMT Lines: 5 THe cover story dated 2/8/93, which appears on Monday, is devoted to Cyberpunk, with sections on the Internet, Mondo 2000, the WELL, cyberpunk SF and the like. Premise: that cyberpunk may be the defining counterculture of the computer age. {end quote} So what the hell's going on y'all? (I know, this isn't a "cyberpunk" list , but there is a lot of overlap, at least in what the main-stream media's view is..) Any comments? Anyone seen any early copies? Would like to hear what time's slant on all that is.. -Zamboni ______________________________ Date: 30 Jan 1993 14:09:49 -0800 (PST) From: Vlad the Impaler Subject: Re: Cybernetic Enhancements Couple o' questions: (1) What are all you cyber-people gonna do when some guy comes along and runs a magnet over your bod? (police of the future don't carry guns, they wield.......... portable electromagnets!!!!!) (2) In the same vein, what's your defense from a simple electrical shock? Ker-zzaap and the circuits melt into a molten mass of useless material (beware of static electricity). Undoubtedly, defenses against these sort of things could be fashioned, whether its altering the material your implants are constructed out of, or shielding that absorbs these sort of assaults (surge protectors come to mind). Maybe I'm wrong completely (somebody correct me then please), I'm not up on my knowledge of the materials that would be used for this sort of thing. So waddya all think? Will these be problems, or am I a nincompoop? Vlad who is miraculously not hung-over -bambrose@pomona.claremont.edu ______________________________ From: ahawks (k-rad d00d!!!) Subject: Re: META re:clothing Date: Sat, 30 Jan 93 16:02:10 MST New fresh-scented *hassinge@sfu.ca* (150% real fruit juices!) says: | |Okay, firstly, I won't tell you what I'm wearing in this post (sigh of relief) |What I would like to suggest, as a personal opinion, to the list at large and |to Mike Cardell specifically, who originated the clothes question, is this: |the subject may be interesting, but ONLY if it is accompanied by some |analysis/opinion/projection on the role/direction of clothing on the new edge |and into our future. This maillist is too large to accomodate the kind of mass |innundation of minute data of the kind we have seen in the last few days. Too large? signal/noise? Relative. One man's noise is another.......... =) |much better approach to the "informal survey" would have been, IMHO, to ask |for e-mail responses and post a summary when the dust clears. Now, don't get |me wrong, I'm all for bandwidth wastage, and I am a style hound, but I like |both best when accompanied with some actual, useful info/opionion/analysis. I'm a style hound and all for bw wastage as well, and I have to agree to some extent, but probly not as strictly as you.... As a Consensus-Overview, it seems to me that there was a lot of interest in the subject, only a few complaints, though many were mummbles from the side of the mouth.... Throughout the whole affair, the list has kept growing in size, and if people don't like the messages they can easily skip to the next.... I agree though, the standard net.ettiquette with such matters is to say "email me please" and then post summaries, data, facts, notable quotes, etc. in a more condensed format.... |P.S. free agent .rez, could you mail me so I get your address to ask you |a few questions on your obsession/study of the internet/USENET, please/thankyo Obsession? It's a PASSION. |- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -fold here- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - | Ha!sSinge # "well we had to drown the gat, but we saved you two gittens" |------> Sebastian Hassinger, dehabiltated net.lurker: hassinge@sfu.ca <------ | "run, run as fast as you can, you can't catch me, I'm the gingerbread man!" -- ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu FutureCulture: In/f0rmation ahawks@mindvox.phantom.com future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu ______________________________ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 93 00:01:42 CET From: Network Mailer Subject: mail delivery error Batch SMTP transaction log follows: 220 ESOC.BITNET Columbia MAILER R2.08 PTF008 BSMTP service ready. 050 HELO DEARN 250 ESOC.BITNET Hello DEARN 050 TICK 7130 250 7130 ... that's the ticket. 050 MAIL FROM:<@vm.gmd.de:ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu> 250 <@vm.gmd.de:ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu>... sender OK. 050 RCPT TO: 250 ... recipient OK. 050 DATA 354 Start mail input. 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Subject: Re: META re:clothing To: future@nyx.cs.du.edu Date: Sat, 30 Jan 93 16:02:10 MST In-Reply-To: <9301292207.AA07430@fraser.sfu.ca>; from "hassinge@sfu.ca" at Jan 29, 93 2:07 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] New fresh-scented *hassinge@sfu.ca* (150% real fruit juices!) says: | |Okay, firstly, I won't tell you what I'm wearing in this post (sigh of relief) |What I would like to suggest, as a personal opinion, to the list at large and |to Mike Cardell specifically, who originated the clothes question, is this: |the subject may be interesting, but ONLY if it is accompanied by some |analysis/opinion/projection on the role/direction of clothing on the new edge |and into our future. This maillist is too large to accomodate the kind of mass |innundation of minute data of the kind we have seen in the last few days. Too large? signal/noise? Relative. One man's noise is another.......... =) |much better approach to the "informal survey" would have been, IMHO, to ask |for e-mail responses and post a summary when the dust clears. Now, don't get |me wrong, I'm all for bandwidth wastage, and I am a style hound, but I like |both best when accompanied with some actual, useful info/opionion/analysis. I'm a style hound and all for bw wastage as well, and I have to agree to some extent, but probly not as strictly as you.... As a Consensus-Overview, it seems to me that there was a lot of interest in the subject, only a few complaints, though many were mummbles from the side of the mouth.... Throughout the whole affair, the list has kept growing in size, and if people don't like the messages they can easily skip to the next.... I agree though, the standard net.ettiquette with such matters is to say "email me please" and then post summaries, data, facts, notable quotes, etc. in a more condensed format.... |P.S. free agent .rez, could you mail me so I get your address to ask you |a few questions on your obsession/study of the internet/USENET, please/thankyo Obsession? It's a PASSION. |- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -fold here- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - | Ha!sSinge # "well we had to drown the gat, but we saved you two gittens" |------> Sebastian Hassinger, dehabiltated net.lurker: hassinge@sfu.ca <------ | "run, run as fast as you can, you can't catch me, I'm the gingerbread man!" -- ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu FutureCulture: In/f0rmation ahawks@mindvox.phantom.com future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu ______________________________ Subject: Re: body modification Date: Sat, 30 Jan 93 16:12:56 -0700 From: mikey@.nyx.cs.du.edu o.k. let's talk body modification. i have my left nipple pierced twice, one vertical/one horizontal, my right nipple pierced once, horizontal. my navel (belly button) is pierced a single time, as well. on my left shoulder blade is a geometric pattern which has been carved in countless times with a razor blade or scalpel. on my right shoulder blade are three brands, each one is a gear. as for why do this? i like it. i think its beautiful. it is just a variation of a haircut, an earring (my left ear is pierced twice, but its been some four years since i've worn earrings), or a nice suit. it identifies me with my "tribe". yes, i do believe in ideas of tribal identification. anybody out there read 'shampoo planet' by douglas coupland. i'm currently reading it and enjoying it. if you haven't read generation x yet i suggest you do. o.k. later, mike e. mike from the family of e. ______________________________ From: ahawks (k-rad d00d!!!) Subject: Re: body modification Date: Sat, 30 Jan 93 16:38:17 MST New fresh-scented *-heather* (150% real fruit juices!) says: | |Let's talk about body modifications. I don't mean implants as such, but, like, |things we already have (i.e. body peircing and tattoos and such). |I'm interested in what kind of things you people have done, or might do to |your bodies, and why. |for instance, I'm thinking about getting a small tattoo. I don't know of what, |where to get it, or why I want it. I just do. |for another instance, I know a girl with her eyebrow pierced, and I thgought |it looked cool. I've never heard of someone peircing their eyebrow? Style Alert, leave now while you still can, o slaves to pop culture. =) The Accepted Norms (tm) of visisble piercing in this geographic local seem to be: Eyebrows, nose, earings. Tongue piercing seems cool to me, but I don't know if the hole would grow back or not if I got older and decided I didn't want it. It seems the Ultimate piercing, for a guy, might be: both ears, both eyebrows, both nostrils, tongue, both nipples, skin between thumb and first-finger on both hands, belly-button, penis, scrotum, both ankles[?]. [am i leaving any out? {i'm not sure if I *want* to know any more!}] and then connect 'em all with a web of chains to complete Mr. Samsonite's look, in the above model. Me, I'm content with one ear pierced one time, but I've been debating getting my other ear pierced. |Look at Henry Rollins, or Mike Ness, or Anthony Keidis. What do you think? |In a way, piercing is like implants, think about it. Integrating our bodies |with metal. Enhancing ourselves artificially. Certainly not a New Idea, been around as long as tribal culture has existed. |I was just wondering if any of you have done things like this, and/or what you |think about it. I think it all depends on your individual character, the context of your surroundings, etc. IMHO, tatoo's are nice, but anything more than 1 small tatoo on the upper-arm/shoulder/ankle turns me off it's someone I'm going to see naked or partially-naked a lot. However, I like a lot of the major works of body art I've seen (Rollins for example). A lot of the Japanese artwork is really great, if That's Your Thing. I also like tasteful, relevant messages, like the guy in House of Pain that has "End Racism" in a venice-font across his upper back. That's very nice. As far as piercing's, they usually turn me on, on anybody. I used to know one girl who had shaved her eyebrows, and had each eyebrow pierced 3-4-5 times, so, yeah, eyebrow piercings are fairly normal (at least in my environmental surroundings). I've never met any girl with a nipple piercing, and I don't think I'd want to. you see that on guys a lot, tho. Nose piercings are cool, IMHO, if it's just a stud. Genital piercing of any kind seems freaky but cool in a Sade-fashion. Seems like it would have to be a DIY thing, as you can't walk into a Claire's Boutique in the mall and say "I want my scrotum pierced" =). That one sounds cool.....What do the women on the list think about genital piercing on girls or guys? [This seems highly erotic to me]. |If money was no object, what would you do? What do *you* want to do? My personal tastes are fairly conservative (although I don't know if I can say that after the 2line paragraph above =). For tatoos, I'd get a small clover on my shoulder, a melted dali clock, or a Keith Haring figure-dude. Or maybe something that says "This is art." on my back (with no graphics). For piercing, I might get my other ear pierced, tongue pierced if I knew it could grow back, and scrotum pierced. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ anybody ever done this? email if u have..! | just a thought from, | | -h | | "If I don't know what's cool, will they call me a loser? | If I don't bend the rules, will I stay a loser?" Well, that's a toughy....Are you normal? -- ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu FutureCulture: In/f0rmation ahawks@mindvox.phantom.com future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu ______________________________ From: ahawks (k-rad d00d!!!) Subject: re:body modification Date: Sat, 30 Jan 93 16:40:22 MST New fresh-scented *Mitchell Porter* (150% real fruit juices!) says: | |Well, I've considered getting a fractal tattoo. where? how big? If this was done controlled by like a Macintosh Quadra, that would be some serious cool shit. is it possible to have computers do the tatoo? if not, we should talk about how we could get that implemented.... -- ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu FutureCulture: In/f0rmation ahawks@mindvox.phantom.com future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu ______________________________ From: Ess-tee-ee-vee-ee Subject: re:body modification Date: Sat, 30 Jan 93 17:43:49 CST ______________________________ From: the! I say we figure out a way to implant a small CPU to control the tatoo and make it change randomly, or zoom in/out as a fractal gen'ing app would do. -> ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu FutureCulture: In/f0rmation -> ahawks@mindvox.phantom.com future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu Steve J. White ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- The opinions expressed herein are aragorn@convex.csd.uwm.edu sometimes those of others. aragorn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu ______________________________ From: ahawks (k-rad d00d!!!) Subject: Re: Wired Date: Sat, 30 Jan 93 16:46:14 MST New fresh-scented *Harry Shapiro* (150% real fruit juices!) says: | |A number of folks have written about the difference between Mondo 2000 |and Wired. | |I think everyone should at least give Wired a try. Give 'em both a try. Give bOING a try. Give SF Eye a try. Give Entropy a try. Give everything a try. PS: If Steve Steinberg is going to be with Wired, is Intertek still coming out? -- ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu FutureCulture: In/f0rmation ahawks@mindvox.phantom.com future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu ______________________________ From: jcollins@coos.dartmouth.edu (Jennifer M. Collins) Subject: Re: body modification Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1993 18:56:04 -0500 (EST) > ->|Well, I've considered getting a fractal tattoo. > -> > ->If this was done controlled by like a Macintosh Quadra, that would be > ->some serious cool shit. > > I say we figure out a way to implant a small CPU to control the tatoo and > make it change randomly, or zoom in/out as a fractal gen'ing app would do. > > -> ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu FutureCulture: In/f0rmation > -> ahawks@mindvox.phantom.com future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu > > Steve J. White > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The opinions expressed herein are aragorn@convex.csd.uwm.edu > sometimes those of others. aragorn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu > Wow ... what an idea! How could we do this? Where would you want to implant the chip to create/grow/modify the tattoo? maybe it could manipulate skin pigmentation in a particular part of the body. Thoughts/Ideas anyone? This would make a seriously cool thread, I think... much more interesting than the type of clothes everyone's wearing ... *grin* *wink* >>Almitra<< ______________________________ From: ahawks (k-rad d00d!!!) Subject: Manifesto's & Spaghettio's Date: Sat, 30 Jan 93 17:02:17 MST Hey all... On that maiphesto shit, I whipped that up on Friday when I was bored, with no real intent of oing anything real big or anything... I just babbled and bubbled and didn't edit (obviously, spelling errors and such) People seem to like it, so if anyone out there thinks it has some potential of being Meaningful in some way or another, let me know... I'm thinking about this in the wake of that apparent new Time issue and someone suggested I send the mainfesto to Mondo or Wired or one of those, which I haven't given much thought of.... At any rate, I *do* think there needs to be some Looking-At about what's going on, the terms we're using, the people involved, cutting through the media hype, etc.... If anybody agrees, maybe we could start a thread about this on FutureCulture and come up with a CONSENSUS Manifesto - the only kind that matters.....This would be for our own reference, for potential/new subscribers to FC, maybe a "hey look we're already here - cut the shit and the hype" to the media..... So, let me know if there's a consensus feeling that we should engage in a consensus manifesto or not....! If so, let's publically start a thread about what to include what not to include, either modifying my existing shit, appropriating from it, or starting from scratch.... [err, by publically I mean FC as a Whole] -- ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu FutureCulture: In/f0rmation ahawks@mindvox.phantom.com future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu ______________________________ From: ahawks (k-rad d00d!!!) Subject: Fractal tatoos (was Re: bodymods) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 93 17:11:52 MST New fresh-scented *Jennifer M. Collins* (150% real fruit juices!) says: | |> ->|Well, I've considered getting a fractal tattoo. |> -> |> ->If this was done controlled by like a Macintosh Quadra, that would be |> ->some serious cool shit. |> |> I say we figure out a way to implant a small CPU to control the tatoo and |> make it change randomly, or zoom in/out as a fractal gen'ing app would do. |> |Wow ... what an idea! How could we do this? Where would you want to |implant the chip to create/grow/modify the tattoo? maybe it could |manipulate skin pigmentation in a |particular part of the body. Thoughts/Ideas anyone? This would make |a seriously |cool thread, I think... much more interesting than the type of |clothes everyone's |wearing ... *grin* *wink* | |>>Almitra<< At the very least, might it be possible to have a regular old fractal tatoo, and then inserted under your skin under the tatoo have a thin layer of some sort of amterial that changes color/look based on sunlight or temperature? Like, ok, I have this trippy bookmark. [ aserious z00m-zoner]. it looks like a very deep latice of little diamonds and stuff, and when you bend it and move it around in the light, the layers of the laticework appear to move, but the bookmark itself is very thin. I'd love to insert the bookmark under my arm, and then when I moved my arm around, or if the light changed, it would look like my arm itself (where the bookmark is) is a holographic laticework of diamonds, infinitely layered. [i'd probably then go psycho looking at my arm under blacklight] similarly, you could get a material that changes color with temperature or light, have that be the basis of the tatoo. if you could get the material to refract in such a way that resembled something like the Mandlebrot set, what a bodyphuck that would be. cool stuph. -- ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu FutureCulture: In/f0rmation ahawks@mindvox.phantom.com future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu ______________________________ From: ahawks (k-rad d00d!!!) Subject: Paco is Bouncing Date: Sat, 30 Jan 93 17:15:02 MST Paco, I'm getting: 550 wixer.cactus.org (ddn)... 550 Host unknown errors on mail sent to you.... If you're reading this, or anyone else, has Paco's address changed or is the system temporarily down or....? -- ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu FutureCulture: In/f0rmation ahawks@mindvox.phantom.com future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu ______________________________ Date: Sat, 30 Jan 93 17:41:43 MST From: Juggler Subject: Re: body modification > |for another instance, I know a girl with her eyebrow pierced, and I thgought > |it looked cool. I've never heard of someone peircing their eyebrow? > I know this girl who has her own piercing gun and has pierced her ears bunches of times, her left nostril and her labia that I know of. I think she plans on expanding soon. On the eybrow thing, I personlly think it's a bit rediculous, only because an eyebrow piercing is just impractical. I saw this guy once with his eyebrow pierced and he kept blinking all the time cuz the dang thing was in his way, so he ended up looking more dumb than cool. > Tongue piercing seems cool to me, but I don't know if the hole would > grow back or not if I got older and decided I didn't want it. > Interesting question. I'd also be interested to find out. Also, isn't it kinda a drag to eat with an earring in your tongue? > both ears, both eyebrows, both nostrils, tongue, both nipples, > skin between thumb and first-finger on both hands, belly-button, > penis, scrotum, both ankles[?]. Now, now, doesn't this seem a bit extreme? Might as well become a cyborg if you want that much metal on. Of course there are people out there with up to 25 piercings... Just ain't my style.... > [am i leaving any out? {i'm not sure if I *want* to know any more!}] > Hmmm...how about lip, sceptums, and arm piercing? > Seems like it would have to be a DIY thing, as you can't walk into a > Claire's Boutique in the mall and say "I want my scrotum pierced" =). Well, you can, but they politly decline. -8) > > For tatoos, I'd get a small clover on my shoulder, a melted dali > clock, or a Keith Haring figure-dude. Or maybe something that says > "This is art." on my back (with no graphics). I like the "This is Art" idea, but I think I would go with a USDA regected stamp on my shoulderblades or maybe a cool computer chip tatooed in the same spot. -Juggler -------------------------------------------------------- | Juggler |I'd like to thank you for | | IH23@utep.BITNET |lettin me be mice elf again| | IH23@utepvm.ep.utexas.edu|-Sly and the Family Stone- | |******************************************|-----------| | Sysop of Three Ring Circus (915)564-0026 | -------------------------------------------- My school doesn't have opinions.... ______________________________ Subject: Re: Paco is Bouncing Date: Sat, 30 Jan 93 19:36:35 EST From: Mitchell Porter > > Paco, I'm getting: 550 wixer.cactus.org (ddn)... 550 Host unknown > errors on mail sent to you.... > > If you're reading this, or anyone else, has Paco's address changed or > is the system temporarily down or....? > i just sent something to autopia and got the same error message.. maybe the conspiracy got too worried about the new edge potential there and nuked austin? ______________________________ Subject: Consensus Manifesto Date: Sat, 30 Jan 93 19:38:16 EST From: Mitchell Porter a nitpick for any future FC Consensus manifesto evolving out of Andy's.. "fringe science" should be "new science".. ______________________________ Subject: Recommendation for people interested in "cyberpunk" stuff: comp.dcom.telecom Date: Sat, 30 Jan 93 19:42:51 EST From: Mitchell Porter excerpts from some correspondence. > Try comp.dcom.telecom sometimes. that group should appeal to about anyone. > They have posts ranging from how to hack the phone system, to emergency > disaster plans to where to buy a cellular phone from. I follow it on and > off. There must be 100 posts a day on it perhaps 10 are well worth reading. > It's moderated too for that matter so you only get good stuff on it. ... > Most of this stuff is off comp.dcom.telecom. I believe it is avaialable in > digest form. Anyone who is even remotely interested in cyberpunk stuff > should read the telecom stuff. It's extremely educational and most of the > time fairly entertaining. ______________________________ From: Ess-tee-ee-vee-ee Subject: re: fractal tatooes Date: Sat, 30 Jan 93 19:49:16 CST ______________________________ From: the! No aruguement with you on that note. Well, the computer would have to be very close to that area of the tatoo due to the fact that I don't think people would be very hip to having wiring run under their skin for any great lengths. I know I wouldn't. I know that the latest tech in pace-makers for heart patients is quite amazing. These little gems are SOOO tiny, now. They are CPU controlled so maybe something akin to this device would work. Changing human skin pigmentation may be a bit trickier, though. How can melanin be manipulated through electro-chem processes? Any chem/EE/CS majors out there? ->>>Almitra<< Steve J. White ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- The opinions expressed herein are aragorn@convex.csd.uwm.edu sometimes those of others. aragorn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu ______________________________ From: Wendy M. Cown Subject: neural hacking Date: Sat, 30 Jan 93 23:16:11 EST I just bought the book "Would the Buddha Wear A Walkman" . It has chapters on light and sound machines, quick ways to shamanism, and similar stuff. It's pretty intersting. The authors call it a catalogue of revolutionary tools for higher consciousness. -- Wendy Cown wendy@penguin.gatech.edu home 873-4563 office 894-4474 "They're not dead, they're metaphysically challenged." Tom Servo, MST3k Georgia Institute of Technology, School of Physics, Atlanta, Georgia, 30332 ______________________________ Date: 30 Jan 1993 23:12:34 -0600 (CST) From: "free agent .rez" Subject: the future >If anybody agrees, maybe we could start a thread about this on >FutureCulture and come up with a CONSENSUS Manifesto - the only kind >that matters.....This would be for our own reference, for >potential/new subscribers to FC, maybe a "hey look we're already here >- cut the shit and the hype" to the media..... hey hey hey. guess that's a yes. .rez ______________________________ Subject: IRC #leri Date: Sun, 31 Jan 93 0:16:57 EST From: Mitchell Porter andy and i are here now.. _________________________________________________________________________ | | | That's all for today! | | To send a message to the list: future@nyx.cs.du.edu | | To subscribe/unsubscribe/change format: future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu | | All other requests: future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu | | List Maintainer is: (andy [aka hawkeye]) ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu | |_________________________________________________________________________| | | | The opinions expressed in FutureCulture are those of the individual | | author only. | |_________________________________________________________________________|