From - Wed Jan 14 11:46:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: from relay2.UU.NET by mrco.carleton.ca (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA14803; Thu, 28 Jan 93 13:42:40 EST Received: from nyx.cs.du.edu by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA14017; Thu, 28 Jan 93 13:39:54 -0500 Received: by nyx.cs.du.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29816; Thu, 28 Jan 93 11:30:17 MST From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (andy) Message-Id: <9301281830.AA29816@nyx.cs.du.edu> X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of Denver. The University has neither control over nor responsibility for the opinions or correct identity of users. Subject: FutureCulture Digest #199 To: future-digest@nyx.cs.du.edu Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 11:30:16 MST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 18991 X-Lines: 477 ______________________________________________________________________ |______________ / | | / | | u t u r e <___________ u l t u r e | _______________________________________________________________________| Issue #199 Thursday, January 28th 1993 Today's Topics: --------------- and another thing... Combat Boots Hawk & All: NeXT Re: Please, make me violently nauseous... Re: Them clothes Re: AUtopia FAQ Construction RE: clothes Re: drug use on AUtopia Re: Gays in the future... Re: Meme-O-Matic Re: subculture and clothing Re: your mail __________________________________________________________________________ Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 12:19:54 +0100 From: cardell@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: AUtopia FAQ Construction So, Jagwire you decided not to have the meeting at the FC weekly meeting? Why? This counts at least me out from being there. Sorry. Or did you just confuse Monday with Sunday? :) ______________________________ Date: 28 Jan 93 02:07:50 EST From: Huy.Nghiem@Dartmouth.EDU Subject: Combat Boots Are they comfortable? I think so, but they take a lot of breaking in to do. Took me 30 miles of hiking up and down parts of the Appalachian trail, a lot of mole skin, blisters, and a period of 3 months. Now I'm used to them -- the weight of steel toe combat boots, the inflexibility of the sole, the extreme ankle support, the inability to scratch your foot without unlacing five holes... But in that sick way, they are comfortable, and you sorta feel naked without 'em. I wear them day to day, hike, run, and dance in them, and they're fine. A few nights ago, I didn't have time to lace up the boots and chucked on a pair of tennis shoes. Inadvertantly that night, I went dancing in them. Returned home with extremely sore legs and lower back aches, which never occurred before. I guess that I was just used to the support of the combat boots. percival@dartmouth.edu "Carpe caro -- seize the meat!" ______________________________ Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 15:32:15 PST From: mark@ganymede.apple.com (Mark Baldwin) Subject: Re: Please, make me violently nauseous... => Go ahead and post just *one more* description of how you're dressed. => Please. I really do mean that. Honestly. => well...i just got back from a rave in a chiba warehouse, so i have an oversized purple and pink beenie pulled over a vpl headset with infrared tracking attached to a servo-assisted strength multiplexor connected to each of my limbs. i'm wearing 72-hole chrome-molly hover-docs equipped with magnetically locking eyeholes instead of laces, and remote sensing to avoid walking into puddles. a projector is emanating a spiraling double helix hologram around my servo-suit with constantly redrawn fractal patterns and the words "i, robot" on one helix and "i, atomic dog" on the other. i'm selling ecstacy right now, and candy-flipping as i type. (oooh, look at that theeeeng!) countersunk into my chest is a hi-res display cascading billions of bytes of data per minute: garbage data.streams interlaced with the source code for the fractal generator. i can see the time in stardate format displayed on my chrome covered eyeballs or display it four feet out in hologram format if i bite down on my back molars. you've made me angry, so i'm going to squish you with one of my two data gloves before hovering-doccing off to another rave in the sprawl. => =>Seriously: would all you Doc Martin-wearing, Mondo reading, rave =>attending, BBS calling, password guessing, self-named "cyberpunks" =>please, please, PLEASE CUT THE FUCKING TRIVIA! => oh, and when you quit your mail utility, you will no longer have an account that system. -mark. ______________________________ Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 14:52:13 PST From: mark@ganymede.apple.com (Mark Baldwin) Subject: Re: Them clothes Hey! ? Am I the only one out there wearing plaid flanel boxers? no. i am too. except they're on my head! why is this thread still alive? -mark. ______________________________ Date: 28 Jan 1993 02:08:44 -0600 (CST) From: Commodore Leri I'm actually wearing a gigantic clown suit right now. Like, three sizes too big, Twister spots all over it, huge purple nose and perpetually dripping makeup. Big floppy shoes shaped like toasters. Elton John specs about four feet wide. Tomorrow: wet suit du jour. And Friday: perhaps a fig leaf, if I'm feeling sprightly. ______________________________ Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 17:02:16 PST From: mark@ganymede.apple.com (Mark Baldwin) Subject: NeXT well, it seems that a lot of f0|kz here are into NeXT systems, and i think someone mentioned a used NeXT for about 2500 bowlers. if you are that person, or you are |N +H3 kN0\/\/, would you please reply to this post ... also, for the discerning cyberpunk/raver, try the gap/miller's outpost/ mervyn's for cool clothes that aren't too expensive, and in the case of the gap, at least, very well made. i haven't checked out m's or m.o. in years, but i've seen some keewwwl shirts come out of both of them... lotsa black baggies too. we can all look the same, regardless of our distinguishing qualiteez. -mark. ______________________________ Subject: Hawk & All: From: verge@cyberden.sf.ca.us Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 20:19:02 PST Here's Verge with another of his three zillion reasons why would shouldn't leave someone alone with a computer all day (work? HA!). Add to, that I'm ripped and floating on my favorite Dr.'s fix, a few little caps of Darvon (GEN:DARVOCET-N, a good RX, but you can't fuck on it--and, yes, before you ask: that IS my complete criteria for a GOOD drug) for tooth work, so this is gonna be a screamin', rippin', wavey-brained review of one thigh-slappin' good CP read (hey, I have a Mac--you won't be gettin' any tech stuff from ME). The book's _High Aztech_, the author's Ernest Hogan (_Cortez On Jupiter_) and fer once the back blurb gets it kinda right: !VIVA XOLTOTL! "Tenochititlan, once known as Mexico City, is the hottest, most exciting city in the year 2045. Stainless steel pyramids pierce the sky, Aztech fundamentalists, with artificial hearts, worship the sun with blood and lasers. And Xolotl Zapata, renegade cartoonist, is running for his life. "Everyone is after Zapata: the government, the Mafia, street gangs, cults, and garbage collectors. Why? Because 21st century science has developed a virus that can "infect" any human mind with religion--and Zapata is the carrier!" Now if I were worth my salt (and do you KNOW how much salt is worth these days) I'd follow with my own pastche of the books neo-Aztech/Spanish/CP style, slipping in as often as Ernest does words like cuallioso ("cool"), namique ("my love"), ocotitome (people who promote dicord), pilguetl (poor devil), but, as said (stated) I'm fried on Darvon, dashin' this off at work, and, besides, ASCII freaks when you try any of those fancy punctuation marks--so this little 'view is gonna be CP wild (Darvon) but not _High Aztech_ *right*. Lemmie let it speak itself: (our hero, Xolotl Zapata, is on the run from Sterile Suited goons, the Neliyacme--Aztech fundis--and everyone else. Meanwhile, said virus is making its way through his system--) "Somehow it was brighter. It was dawn, sunrise, a holy Aztecan hour. Tonatiuh, Huitzilopochtli and the spirits of dead warriors in the form of fiery Tonatiuhotome birds rose out of the east, chasing away the evil spirits that roam by night--except for those that can now live by day because of the smog and the coming of the qiuxtianome. "For once, I believed it--I almost saw them. "And the sidewalks soon filled up with the faithful--I looked up and saw that they were even appearing in the widows and the rooftops--and they were all engaging in some kind of sun-greeting ritual. Some simply faced the rising sun in silence, others chanted, others did some kind of ritual dance, others brought out manguey thorns--real and synthetic--and made small blood sacrifices, others pierced their flesh with tiny lasers made by High Aztech S.A.; but those are controversial: Many Aztecans believe that the minscule amounts of blood vaporized by the instruments aren't enough to satisfy the gods, and would that heal immediately are blasphemous." Good book, good read, fast and weird, Xolotl's got his probs and his virus, the big, bad corp don't go belly-up with a push of some lucky button, and the end is wild, woolly and nothing will ever be the same again--how many books can you name that ends with every religious totem fighting ever OTHER religious totem in one massive shared hallucination? Good world: complex and compelling (Xolotl's illegal alien cleaning lady is named Mary Jane)--frightening and attractive (Aztech fundi's make blood/heart sacrifics and then implant artificial hearts)--when will someone write a paper on why religion/cyberspace/cyberpunk always crawl in bed together (voodoo and now Aztech)? Anyways, recommended, pick up and read _High Aztech_, by Ernest Hogan. It's just a little money and some blood --Verge !!!!!!!!!!!!! Pere Ubu sez: "Surrealism au service de la revolution!" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! __________________________________________________________________________ | / |\ | H E \ Y B E R |/ E N [ verge@cyberden.sf.ca.us ] ______________________________ From: sml@mfltd.co.uk (Ageing Hippy) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 10:33:01 GMT Subject: and another thing... Is anyone else out there PISSED at USL for trying to make us PAY for all the versions of UNIX? This is effectivley what they're setting a precedent for in their law suit against BSDI. Long live the free OS! Live free or die! Shaun. -- /s(Shaun Lowry)def/g{.7 setgray}def/c{10 0 -1 arc fill}def 300 600 100 0 360 arc stroke 300 600 50 180 0 arc stroke g 300 600 c stroke 1 2 scale 270 325 c stroke 330 325 c stroke grestore 125 450 moveto/Helvetica findfont 60 scalefont setfont gsave 0.03 .09 rmoveto g [ 1 0 2 -1 0 0 ] concat s show grestore s show showpage ______________________________ From: sml@mfltd.co.uk (Shaun Lowry) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 10:29:43 GMT Subject: Re: Meme-O-Matic Dolgnagerdyia Friltkashnovist sez: >sounds cool, but would it count the number of times clothing appeared in >text, or subject? in both cases it would be inaccurate. sometimes headers >wouldn't say anything about clothing. and sometimes there may be the word >clothing several times in an article. also consider:variations of the word >clothing...what i'm wearing, clothes, rags, etc. >if you could find a way to JUST count the number of articles it is >discussed in, it would work. Technically, this isn't difficult at all. Just write your bot so it replaces smtpd or sendmail (for UN*X systems), and get it to search for any related patterns as well as doing all the delivery stuff. Hell, if you're running sendmail, you could probably configure it to do this anyway; I know systems where sendmail does the washing up and takes the dog for a walk (HINT: joke). Shaun. -- /s(Shaun Lowry)def/g{.7 setgray}def/c{10 0 -1 arc fill}def 300 600 100 0 360 arc stroke 300 600 50 180 0 arc stroke g 300 600 c stroke 1 2 scale 270 325 c stroke 330 325 c stroke grestore 125 450 moveto/Helvetica findfont 60 scalefont setfont gsave 0.03 .09 rmoveto g [ 1 0 2 -1 0 0 ] concat s show grestore s show showpage ______________________________ From: sml@mfltd.co.uk (Shaun Lowry) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 10:13:33 GMT Subject: Re: subculture and clothing OK, it's a blessed +3 gray dragon scale mail, a +2 cloak of displacement, speed boots, a +3 helm of brilliance (of course), +4 gauntlets of power, and a +3 Hawaiian shirt. Did I win yet? Shaun. -- /s(Shaun Lowry)def/g{.7 setgray}def/c{10 0 -1 arc fill}def 300 600 100 0 360 arc stroke 300 600 50 180 0 arc stroke g 300 600 c stroke 1 2 scale 270 325 c stroke 330 325 c stroke grestore 125 450 moveto/Helvetica findfont 60 scalefont setfont gsave 0.03 .09 rmoveto g [ 1 0 2 -1 0 0 ] concat s show grestore s show showpage ______________________________ From: sml@mfltd.co.uk (Shaun Lowry) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 11:38:01 GMT Subject: Re: drug use on AUtopia Dolgnagerdyia Friltkashnovist wrote: >This was a valid law when women and drag queens wore dresses that touched >the ground...[much deleted] Now they barely touch the thighs. [Implied GRIN]. This was the first thing I thought of when I saw the post. Does that make me sexist? Or perverse? Shaun. -- /s(Shaun Lowry)def/g{.7 setgray}def/c{10 0 -1 arc fill}def 300 600 100 0 360 arc stroke 300 600 50 180 0 arc stroke g 300 600 c stroke 1 2 scale 270 325 c stroke 330 325 c stroke grestore 125 450 moveto/Helvetica findfont 60 scalefont setfont gsave 0.03 .09 rmoveto g [ 1 0 2 -1 0 0 ] concat s show grestore s show showpage ______________________________ From: sml@mfltd.co.uk (Shaun Lowry) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 11:55:14 GMT Subject: Re: your mail Al writes:- >> >You mean you were _actually_joking? I've done a lot of programming in >> >the nude. My girlfriend works, so I usually go to bed when she does, but >> >if the creative urge hits me in the middle of the night, or even the next >> >morning, I never hesitate to log in without dressing first. Its a bit >> >cold in most of the house, but my equipment room gets quite warm with the >> >NeXT running 24 hours a day - and as soon as I turn on that 300W halogen, >> >things are actually hot enough despite the fact that I live in Seattle. >> >> >I guess I've always taken folks seriously when they've said "hack naked". >> >> I swear, you hackers is the weirdest folks... > > I live in Seattle too. I would use my computer naked (I run a BBS and the >computer is in my room) but my keyboard is in a metal case (at least the >bottom part it metal) so when I get up in the morning and put it in my >lap, WHHOOO-WEEE, that's COLD! Needless to say, cloths come on (at least >pants). This brings to mind when I was at University. We stayed in college dorms (wow, a collegiate University still going in the UK), and a lot of the rooms had serial line connections to local PADs. I had my old Atari-ST set up as a terminal, and I could connect direct from my room to the Unix/VMS boxes all over campus, and from there to everywhere else. We had a conferencing utility on our Unix boxes, so the first thing to do each day was get up and log in. Then you could confer with everyone else about which lectures you were going to miss. Late night game playing in darkened smoky rooms was also a must. This was at the University of Kent, in the UK. Does anywhere else have a system like this? Shaun. -- /s(Shaun Lowry)def/g{.7 setgray}def/c{10 0 -1 arc fill}def 300 600 100 0 360 arc stroke 300 600 50 180 0 arc stroke g 300 600 c stroke 1 2 scale 270 325 c stroke 330 325 c stroke grestore 125 450 moveto/Helvetica findfont 60 scalefont setfont gsave 0.03 .09 rmoveto g [ 1 0 2 -1 0 0 ] concat s show grestore s show showpage ______________________________ From: O'Hara Walter Subject: RE: clothes Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 20:00:00 PST Black Nylon thong, cowboy boots, toy pistols in strategically placed holsters. Night vision goggles. ______________________________ From: sdw@meaddata.com (Stephen Williams) Subject: Re: your mail Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 10:48:30 -0500 (EST) > > >You mean you were _actually_joking? I've done a lot of programming in > >the nude. My girlfriend works, so I usually go to bed when she does, but > >if the creative urge hits me in the middle of the night, or even the next > >morning, I never hesitate to log in without dressing first. Its a bit > >cold in most of the house, but my equipment room gets quite warm with the > >NeXT running 24 hours a day - and as soon as I turn on that 300W halogen, > >things are actually hot enough despite the fact that I live in Seattle. > > >I guess I've always taken folks seriously when they've said "hack naked". > > I swear, you hackers is the weirdest folks... > Hey! I hack naked pretty often (or close to it). Clothes are uncomfortable and distracting. I only get time after my wife and kids go to bed most of the time. Slipper/Socks are sometimes needed to keep your toes warm. I never could figure out why everyone wears so many clothes in a controlled environment (your house). sdw -- Stephen D. Williams Local Internet Gateway Co.; SDW Systems 513 496-5223APager LIG dev./sales Internet: sdw@world.std.com CIS 76244.210@compuserve.com OO R&D Source Dist. By Horse: 10028 Village Tree Ct., Miamisburg, OH 45342 GNU Support ICBM: 39 34N 85 15W I love it when a plan comes together ______________________________ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 12:05:03 +0600 (CST) From: cybyr Subject: Re: Gays in the future... I realize that this is going to cause me a lot of flames, but here goes. For my reasons and MY reasons only, I say vote NO. As to why (because I know that you will want to know) lets just say that because of real bad experiences with this (GLBi's) crowd I am firmly against any of their activity. (bfp) I know that this is close minded but that is what child rape does to an individual. Maybe someday I will feel dif, but not real soon. cybyr disclaimer; I am also against hetero-child molestors too...... p.s. further discussions should be sent to me and me only, if you want to flame to future fine - I will not respond. ______________________________ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 12:11:38 +0600 (CST) From: cybyr Subject: Re: Gays in the future... Oh yea, in regards to my last post, that NO should have been a YES, they should be treated like second class citizens. Sorry, but you probably already knew that. cybyr _________________________________________________________________________ | | | That's all for today! | | To send a message to the list: future@nyx.cs.du.edu | | To subscribe/unsubscribe/change format: future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu | | All other requests: future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu | | List Maintainer is: (andy [aka hawkeye]) ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu | |_________________________________________________________________________| | | | The opinions expressed in FutureCulture are those of the individual | | author only. | |_________________________________________________________________________|