From - Wed Jan 14 11:46:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.UU.NET by mrco.carleton.ca (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA14074; Thu, 28 Jan 93 01:38:24 EST Received: from nyx.cs.du.edu by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA17557; Thu, 28 Jan 93 01:32:07 -0500 Received: by nyx.cs.du.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22018; Wed, 27 Jan 93 23:30:31 MST From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (andy) Message-Id: <9301280630.AA22018@nyx.cs.du.edu> X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of Denver. The University has neither control over nor responsibility for the opinions or correct identity of users. Subject: FutureCulture Digest #198 To: future-digest@nyx.cs.du.edu Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 23:30:30 MST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 41070 X-Lines: 982 ______________________________________________________________________ |______________ / | | / | | u t u r e <___________ u l t u r e | _______________________________________________________________________| Issue #198 Wednesday, January 27th 1993 Today's Topics: --------------- Application celfone hacks, scans, etc. clothes (v1.1 [bounced]) Clothing Gays in the future... I'm in #future, 12:00 AM East. More Black Clothes Please, make me violently nauseous... Re: Please, make me violently nauseous... Re: Cellular listening.. re: drug use on AUtopia Re: fuck me, itys authoritarian autopia Re: Meme-O-Matic Re: Please, make me violently nauseous... re: re: drug use on AUtopia Re: subculture and clothing Re: vr(?) now Re: your mail subculture and clothing vr now [surfpunk-0036] CRYPT: Sci Am on Public Key Cryptosystems [surfpunk-0036] CRYPT: Sci Am on Public Key Cryptosystems (fwd) __________________________________________________________________________ Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 13:10:32 +0600 (CST) From: cybyr Subject: Re: fuck me, itys authoritarian autopia On Tue, 26 Jan 1993, idiot wrote: > i dont beleive this...i know, its a plan....someone in the > inner circle of AUtopia mentions drug abuse onboard, then > another anonymously mentions what a problem it could be, > then they write down the names of everyone who agrees and > never let these people on board > > that is what you are doing, isnt it? > >[some stuff is missing.....] > > please clarify please..... I am not even on the AUtopian list, it just happened that we discussed that and that is the truth.......as to taking names, it was tim right? ;-) > > tim p.s. that was a joke man, a JOKE I say! unusual disclaimer: laugh a lot, it really does help! ______________________________ From: O'Hara Walter Subject: Re: subculture and clothing Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 15:20:00 PST Pearl Grey Sharkskin suit, White shirt with pale blue stripes (narrow). Maroon tie. Maroon Suspenders with blue diamonds. Cordovan wing tips. Tortoise shell tipped ovoid glasses. Mickey Mouse watch. WAO'J ---------- From: Tim Driscoll To: future Subject: Re: subculture and clothing Date: Monday, January 25, 1993 12:00AM Blue shirt with white stripes; grey tie with burgundy, purple and black patterns; grey pants; black belt; brown shoes ( I know, Zappa sez brown shoes don't make it), and Buddy H type glasses resting on my nose. Almost forgot the grey socks. tim driscoll _IT'S A WONDERFUL DAY_ ______________________________ From: rwr9481@cs.rit.edu (Robert W Reay) Subject: clothes (v1.1 [bounced]) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:35:54 -0500 (EST) > > Black BDU pants, black socks, white very trashed sneakers. A Refuse & > Resist T-shirt. For jewlery, I'm wearing 3 leather and bead bracelets and 8 > feet of beed chain on my right wrist, a ying/yang earing in my right ear, a > 12 ga. bead ring (in a streched piercing) and a "baby in bondage" in my left > ear. On my way home, I'll be wearing a black leather motorcycle jacket w/ > 3" spikes on the left shoulder and about 2 lbs. of metal in general on it. > You caught me on a really good day. > For bussiness type situations, I wear a suit european cut, conservative > grey, slick my hair back and wear just a silver ring in my left ear. Most of > the time jeans an t-shirt, like everyone else. > > -Rob > ______________________________ Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:59:54 EST From: CYBERPUNK@pembvax1.pembroke.edu Subject: Application Could someone send me the application to the Nyx Unix system? Thanks... ______________________________ Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:39:35 -0500 From: ah185@yfn.ysu.edu (Christopher L. Tumber) Subject: Re: Cellular listening.. Francois sez: > In Canada, it is still not illegal to listen to cellular phone > government will be passing a law on that because it caused the > agreement to be defeated. Maybe you have heard about that: Well, as someone who went to the polls and abstained (You can do that, you tells the returns officer you do not wish to vote for either choice(s) the ballot is then counted as an abstension NOT a spoiled ballot) (Because I believe that in a psuedo-democracy you gotta exercise all the rights you possibly can..) I'll just say that it was a little more than the Blaise-Grenier affair! ______________________________ Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 15:20:09 CST From: UC482529@MIZZOU1.missouri.edu Subject: Please, make me violently nauseous... Go ahead and post just *one more* description of how you're dressed. Please. I really do mean that. Honestly. Seriously: would all you Doc Martin-wearing, Mondo reading, rave attending, BBS calling, password guessing, self-named "cyberpunks" please, please, PLEASE CUT THE FUCKING TRIVIA! -Anthony ______________________________ Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 16:20:51 EST From: im your antidote Subject: Please, make me violently nauseous... > Go ahead and post just *one more* description of how you're dressed. > Please. I really do mean that. Honestly. > Okay! I'm wearing an absolutely stunning mylar shirt, embedded with large rectangular holograms which either look like Jesus or Satan depending on how you look at them. Im wearing black leather pants tucked into zippered rubber environment boots, fingerless black leather gloves, and a belt made of fiberoptic twine. Around my neck I have a chain with a pendant reading 'Count_Zero Interrupt', with a black LCD incremental counter. To top off my outfit, Im wearing one of the helmets I stole from the set of 'Tron', with my handle - "l0rd 3leeeeet" printed across the front, above my pull-down infrared goggles. How's that? > Seriously: would all you Doc Martin-wearing, Mondo reading, rave > attending, BBS calling, password guessing, self-named "cyberpunks" > please, please, PLEASE CUT THE FUCKING TRIVIA! > > -Anthony sorry dad, it wont happen again, i promise. ____________________ ________________________________ |darren michael poe|::| dpoe@mindox.phantom.com |______________ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | e268%nemomus.bitnet@academic.nemostate.edu | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ______________________________ Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 13:22:42 -0800 (PST) From: Dolgnagerdyia Friltkashnovist Subject: re: drug use on AUtopia On Tue, 26 Jan 1993, AUtopia Project wrote: > > On Mon, 25 Jan 1993, Juggler wrote: > > > > It's really silly that our society is out to get EVERY drug user they > > can find. From what I understand you're talking about above you mean > > the Navy catching someone who was using drugs. I think that if they > > catch someone who was using drugs, but it hasn't impaired his job at > > all then he should get off. If he gets caught cuz he say kills someone > > acidentally while on drugs, he should be prosecuted as such. > > Get off? Even if policy or whatever states that s/he under no circumtances > should be taken drugs while on duty? Again get real. ;) If it was your ass > that the shit was going to hit you would feel dif. Superior officers in > a military situation ARE responsible for their personel. BAD analogy on > your part dude. If a recruit is using drugs then his superior officers are > using drugs. That is the way they look at it. > > > > > The gov't tends to want to ban anything that makes us feel good. Then, > > they help import drugs and all. Ya know they are.. But at any rate, > > that's my two meager, rusty cents. > > Disagree with the first point agree on second....give them time - when popular > assent is reached drugs will legal. Wrong. you just contradicted yourself. Whether or not Big Brother is profifing directly from drug traffiking, they ARE bringing in quite a bit of revenue with their anti-drug forces. The DEA employs a lot of people, and in its upper-echelon, people have congresional influence. With their seizure program, they bring in alot of revenue-a "legal" way to exploit U.S. citizens. They also use drugs as an excuse for military intervention(panama). Secondly, there are several corperations that would lobby against it, including drug dealers themselves. With pot, for instance, there was supposedly a scandle that caused it to become illegal. Tobacco and beer are much harder to produce than pot. Thus, if pot were illegal, they would have a better monopolic position with recreational drugs that ARE legal. (read the book:101 uses of Hemp-or Pot, or Marijuana-[what ever they called it]) Supposedly, pot also makes a higher quality paper than do trees, and can be grown at a higher rate. This is quite threatening to the lumber mills(shit! first it was those damned spotted owls, now it's those deadheads...kill em all!) Thirdly, if drugs were to be legalized for recreational purposes, the insurance costs for both vendors and users would fly. People could sue, the people who sold them the drugs. medical insurance companies wouldn't want you on their list. all big companies-all have loud voices. If drugs were ever going to be legalized, they would have already done it. The government is always looking for a way to make a buck, and the most profitable way to profit from drug use-hassle free, is to keep them illegal. liquid... "pass the salt please." -george bush ______________________________ Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:33:11 -0800 (PST) From: Dolgnagerdyia Friltkashnovist Subject: Re: Meme-O-Matic On 27 Jan 1993, free agent .rez wrote: > ok, technical question from someone who's actually quite ignorant as to the > workability of such things, so bear with me... > > : i've been mulling over a way to chart the progress or regress of a meme. i > have one idea; it's not perfect, it'd only chart the use of the meme's > signifier. > what i'd like to do, somehow, is set up a program, a 'bot, at some > site, which would let random mail traffic run through it and tabulate on a > daily basis the number of times certain words cross its path. for instance, if > we wanted to see whether or not the "clothing" meme is still rising or is dying > out, ;) we would set up the 'bot to count the number of times the word > "clothing" passed through in a day, or "counter-culture clothing" or whatever. > i'd keep track over a week, and that would (in theory) be a rough way to chart > the evolution of memes. any takers? > > %^P > > .rez sounds cool, but would it count the number of times clothing appeared in text, or subject? in both cases it would be inaccurate. sometimes headers wouldn't say anything about clothing. and sometimes there may be the word clothing several times in an article. also consider:variations of the word clothing...what i'm wearing, clothes, rags, etc. if you could find a way to JUST count the number of articles it is discussed in, it would work. liquid the moltenweiner dog from hell ______________________________ From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: Cellular listening.. Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 17:57:34 EST Beyond the ultraworld of Christopher L. Tumber: > > Francois sez: > > > In Canada, it is still not illegal to listen to cellular phone > > government will be passing a law on that because it caused the > > agreement to be defeated. Maybe you have heard about that: > > Well, as someone who went to the polls and abstained > I'll just say that it > was a little more than the Blaise-Grenier affair! But you are not in Quebec. In Quebec it played a big part. I was not influenced by that, but then i'm a separatist... (I was not several years back, but after reading can.politics it made me realise how some people cannot see us (Quebecers) as a part of Canada. Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... ______________________________ Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:55:56 +0600 (CST) From: Patrick McKee Subject: re: drug use on AUtopia *********************************************************************** On Wed, 27 Jan 1993, Dolgnagerdyia Friltkashnovist wrote: > Wrong. you just contradicted yourself. Whether or not Big Brother is [a bunch of stuff missing....] Whatever, I still stand behind my first reply. When the majority of the people want it legal, it will become legal. People in this case implies corporate entities too....(I am not saying that it will happen anytime soon) I just say that I stand by what I said -- whether you are right or not. > liquid... > "pass the salt please." -george bush > cybyr thingy-attachment-file-end-sort-of-nuisance-deal...... The following message was brought to you by the friendly folx at CyberDyne Information Alliances -- the friendly folx at CIA say free the people, free the press, then press the free people.... ______________________________ Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:18:26 -0800 From: vpcsc11@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (student) Subject: Gays in the future... Well future culture readers and AUtopians, will society continue to treat gays, lesbians and bisexuals as second class citizens in the future? If you have an opinion about our President's efforts to repeal the ban on gays in the military, give him a call at: (202) 456-1111 You might want to call your Senators and Congressmen as well. ______________________________ Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:25:08 -0500 From: ah185@yfn.ysu.edu (Christopher L. Tumber) Subject: Re: Cellular listening.. > influenced by that, but then i'm a separatist... (I was not se > back, but after reading can.politics it made me realise how so > cannot see us (Quebecers) as a part of Canada. .......Offered Francois Dion Pfffft doesn't matter mon there's only three countries in the 'Developed' world anyhow (Americas, Europe and Pacific rim). A more irrelevant refferendum couldn't have been held. (Notice how we DON'T get to vote on NAFTA? Notice how the referendum overshadowed NAFTA to the point it couldn't BUY airtime? No mistake there my friend..) ______________________________ From: eknipp@lobo.rmhs.colorado.edu (Ethan Knipp) Subject: Clothing Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 16:39:26 MST As far as the comments on boots & conformity etc: I wear black because I think black looks good on me. And because *everything* I wear is either a plain solid color (except plaid- plaid is sexy) because I like simplicity. I wear boots cause a.) they *are* different from what most peole wear. b.) cause people leave me alone a *lot* more now that I've got a hawk and wear a leather and combats. c.) cause they're big, ugly, and cheap. I suppose I partially wear what I wear to associate w/ the punk group. So wha? I like the punk group. I'm not a total nonconformist, and I do associate more with certain people. I wear leather cause I like the way it looks. I *don't* dye my hair 'cause I really like my existing hair color. I do agree w/ Huy.Nghiem about the implants. I want a port on the side of my head. I don't care if it *does* anything- It'd still be rad. (either an 8 pin or 'jus a mike jack style port.) Aside from the physical probs, what plastic surgeon would do it for me? So I suppose I'm not a complete nonconformist. I dinna wanna be. I doubt anybody else does, really, either. -- Ethan The Unbeliever eknipp@lobo.rmhs.colorado.edu ______________________________ Subject: subculture and clothing From: aa@nforest.pulp.nullnet.fi (Antti Autio) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 15:44:44 EET cardell@lysator.liu.se writes: > is. Well, what are you wearing while reading this? :) Black jeans, green & black sweater, pendragon necklace, pretty normal hair. When i go outside, a "poison green" long overcoat (it's -23c here..) with a hood. -- Antti Autio aa@nforest.pulp.nullnet.fi +358-81-515337 IRC:bored Donna: Maybe the sun won't go up tommorow if you wash your hair. Think like that and you'll go crazy. ______________________________ Subject: [surfpunk-0036] CRYPT: Sci Am on Public Key Cryptosystems (fwd) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 19:06:38 EST From: Mitchell Porter Forwarded message: ______________________________ Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 10:31:45 PST From: surfpunk@osc.versant.com (gubhtug gb ribxr fpvrapr svpgvba engure guna fpvrapr) Subject: [surfpunk-0036] CRYPT: Sci Am on Public Key Cryptosystems + + Cypherpunks don't care if you don't like the + software they write. Cypherpunks know that + software can't be destroyed. Cypherpunks know + that a widely dispersed system can't be shut + down. + -- the cypherpunk manifesto + (cypherpunks-request@toad.com) ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Here's a short piece from Scientific American on RSA, PEM, PGP etc. Notice towards the end this article says "The U.S. is the only nation that permits the patenting of mathematical algorithms." That threw me at first -- it's not *supposed* to be permitted, but in practice, it is. So I suppose this is a true statement. (The cover article of this Sci Am is on a team at the Science Museum in London that did a 3-ton implementation of Babbage's Difference Engine.) -- strick ________________________________________________________________________ Source: Scientific American, February 1993, beginning at the 30th page. For fair use only. Electronic Envelopes? The uncertainty of keeping e-mail private Recent legislative efforts to mandate remote wiretapping attachments for every telephone system and computer network in the U.S. may have been the best thing that every happened for encryption software. "We have mostly the FBI to thank," says John Gilmore of Cygnus Support in Palo Alto, Calif. Gilmore is an entrepreneur, hacker and electronic civil libertarian who helped to found the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF). He is now watching closely the development of two competing techniques for keeping electronic mail private. As matters now stand, computers transmit messages from one user to another in plain text. If a geneticist in Boston sends e-mail to a molecular biologist in San Diego, any of the half a dozen or so intermediary machines that forward the letter could siphon off a copy -- and so could any of the dozens of workstations that might be attached to the local-area network at the sender's or recipient's university or company. The Electronic Privacy Act of 1986 prohibits snooping by public e-mail carriers or law-enforcement officials, except by court order. Nevertheless, many people are becoming uncomfortable with the electronic equivalent of mailing all their correspondence on postcards and relying on people to refrain from reading it. They are turning to public-key encryption, which allows anyone to encode a message but only the recipient to decode it. Each user has a public key, which is made widely available, and a closely guarded secret key. Messages encrypted with one key can be decrypted only with each other, thus also making it possible to "sign" messages by encrypting them with the private key [see "Achieving Electronic Privacy," by David Chaum; Scientific American, August 1992]. Two programs -- and two almost diametrically opposed viewpoints embodied in them -- are competing for acceptance. Privacy Enhanced Mail (PEM) is the long-awaited culmination of years of international standard setting by computer scientists. Pretty Good Privacy (PGP) is a possibly illegal work of "guerilla freeware" originally written by software consultant Philip Zimmermann. The philosophies of PEM and PGP differ most visibly with respect to key management, the crucial task of ensuring that the public keys that encode messages actually belong to the intended recipient rather than a malevolent third party. PEM relies on a rigid hierarchy of trusted companies, universities and other institutions to certify public keys, which are then stored on a "key server" accessible over the Internet. To send private mail, one asks the key server for the public key of the addressee, which has been signed by the appropriate certification authorities. PGP, in contrast, operates on what Zimmermann calls "a web of trust": people who wish to correspond privately can exchange keys directly or through trusted intermediaries. The intermediaries sign the keys that they pass on, thus certifying their authenticity. PGP's decentralized approach has gained a wide following since its initial release in June 1991, according to Hugh E. Miller of Loyola University in Chicago, who maintains an electronic mailing list for discussion among PGP users. His personal "keyring" file contains public keys for about 100 correspondents, and others have keyrings containing far more. As of the end of 1992, meanwhile, a final version of PEM has not been officially released. Gilmore, who subscribes to the electronic mailing list for PEM developers, says he has seen "only five or 10" messages actually encrypted using the software. Although PGP's purchase price is right -- it is freely available over the Internet and on electronic bulletin boards throughout the world -- it does carry two liabilities that could frighten away potential users. First, U.S. law defines cryptographic hardware and software as "munitions." So anyone who is caught making a copy of the program could run afoul of export-control laws. Miller calls this situation "absurd," citing the availability of high-quality cryptographic software on the streets of Moscow. Worse yet, RSA Data Security in Redwood City, Calif., holds rights to a U.S. patent on the public-key encryption algorithm, and D. James Bidzos, the company's president, asserts that anyone using or distributing PGP could be sued for infringement. The company has licensed public-key software to corporations and sells its own encrypted-mail package (the algorithm was developed with federal support, and so the government has a royalty-free license). When Bidzos's attorneys warned Zimmermann that he faced a suit for developing PGP, he gave up further work on the program. Instead PGP's ongoing improvements are in the hands of an international team of software developers who take advice from Zimmermann by e-mail. The U.S. is the only nation that permits the patenting of mathematical algorithms, and so programmers in the Netherlands or New Zealand apparently have little to fear. U.S. residents who import the program could still face legal action, although repeated warnings broadcast in cryptography discussion groups on computer networks have yet to be superseded by legal filings. Meanwhile, Gilmore says, the only substantive effect of the patent threat is that development and use of cryptographic tools have been driven out of the U.S. into less restrictive countries -- Paul Wallich ________________________________________________________________________ The SURFPUNK Technical Journal is a dangerous multinational hacker zine originating near BARRNET in the fashionable western arm of the northern California matrix. Quantum Californians appear in one of two states, spin surf or spin punk. Undetected, we are both, or might be neither. ________________________________________________________________________ Send postings to , subscription requests to . MIME encouraged. Xanalogical archive access soon. Cypherpunks love to practice. ________________________________________________________________________ #define DA_MD2 3 #define DA_MD5 5 #define MIN_RSA_MODULUS_BITS 508 #define MAX_RSA_MODULUS_BITS 1024 #define MAX_RSA_MODULUS_LEN ((MAX_RSA_MODULUS_BITS + 7) / 8) #define MAX_RSA_PRIME_BITS ((MAX_RSA_MODULUS_BITS + 1) / 2) #define MAX_RSA_PRIME_LEN ((MAX_RSA_PRIME_BITS + 7) / 8) ______________________________ From: ahawks (scooby dooby doo) Subject: Re: Please, make me violently nauseous... Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 18:04:46 MST New fresh-scented *UC482529@MIZZOU1.missouri.edu* (150% real fruit juices!) says: | |Go ahead and post just *one more* description of how you're dressed. |Please. I really do mean that. Honestly. | |Seriously: would all you Doc Martin-wearing, Mondo reading, rave |attending, BBS calling, password guessing, self-named "cyberpunks" |please, please, PLEASE CUT THE FUCKING TRIVIA! | |-Anthony What's trivial about it? -- ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu FutureCulture: In/f0rmation ahawks@mindvox.phantom.com future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu ______________________________ Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:26:44 -0500 From: Sean Michael Carton Subject: Re: Please, make me violently nauseous... ohhhh...Anthony...shower us with your brilliance more often! Sean "We intend to destroy all dogmatic verbal systems"-- Wm. S. Burroughs ______________________________ Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:50:53 -0800 (PST) From: Dolgnagerdyia Friltkashnovist Subject: re: re: drug use on AUtopia this may have been posted already, but my mail server died on me in the middle of it...so i am doing it agian. I also apologize for the obscurity, i am trying to recall what i wrote last time rather than writing a new post On Wed, 27 Jan 1993, Patrick McKee wrote: > *********************************************************************** > > On Wed, 27 Jan 1993, Dolgnagerdyia Friltkashnovist wrote: > > > Wrong. you just contradicted yourself. Whether or not Big Brother is > > [a bunch of stuff missing....] > > Whatever, I still stand behind my first reply. When the majority of the > people want it legal, it will become legal. People in this case implies > corporate entities too....(I am not saying that it will happen anytime soon) > I just say that I stand by what I said -- whether you are right or not. > > > liquid... > > "pass the salt please." -george bush > > > > cybyr > > thingy-attachment-file-end-sort-of-nuisance-deal...... > > The following message was brought to you by the friendly folx at > CyberDyne Information Alliances -- the friendly folx at CIA say > free the people, free the press, then press the free people.... > I would love to agree, but alas I cannot. The problem is, one can get a ticket for spitting on the sidewalk. This was a valid law when women and drag queens wore dresses that touched the ground..oh about 100 years ago....ok 80. I do agree that drug laws are a bit more threatening than a law that is ignored because of the inconvenience of dealing with it, and thus takes more presidence, BUT, it does stand near the end of a long line of stupid laws waiting to be deleted. Especially when amreeka is in the economic crisis that we find ourselves. One of the reasons why bush didn't get elected is because he was stuck on the issues of abortion and international misdimeanors..about which, no one really gave a fuck. When the average "respectable" american citizen is threatened with the loss of their job, way of life, and families livelyhood, animal instincts kick in, and tolerance for moral issues exists not. How many third-world nations, in a time of famine, with thousands of starving children dying every day, have people protesting for women's rights? Only 50, maybe 60. The point is that (like Maslo's heirarchy of needs) when people have to deal with survival issues, drug laws and abortion rights seem to fade from the limelight. Being illegal doesn't stop drugs from being readily accesible anyway. Secondly,like communism, people are too gun-shy of drug issues to objectively deal with them. "it's morally wrong!" "drugs killed my little boy!" The american public has been so indoctrinated with anti-drug horror stories of OD's and ruined lives that it has become a religion, where blasphemers are going to fry. ..."look at me, i did drugs, had fun, and now i'm payed lots of money to go to junior high schools and tell you to say no to drugs....don't be like me, i'm a cop!" What has been done with drugs, was done (by the same people) with communism. The communists have been so labeled as the bad guy, the Evil Empire who has a secret police that assault and exploit its citizens. The bad guy who attacks smaller countries, for whom we always come to the rescue. They never tell us that we do the same things.See: Pommer Raids, McCarty, Veitnam, the Cold War etc... all in the name of american imperialism! The result: the western world has become so afraid of anything resembling communism, that it's "better hitler than stalin." Drugs have become the same way. Even Clinton would never inhale. We would rather watch blacks get discriminated against, would rather let those stupid punks die because the pot was laced with PCP than just legalize drugs, being able to regulate them. The world isn't as open-minded as you, Patrick, and when "good and bad, right and wrong" becomes part of the issue, you are dealing with beliefs as deep and personal as those of God. I do agree that someday, drugs will someday be legal, but they will never be legalized by the U.S. We are entering a new era, and America won't be able to survive the transition unless she becomes really damn flexible real quick. BIg democracy dont do that. By the time drugs become legal western civilization may not be. and that could be REAL soon. i forgot what my point was...it must be that pencil stuck in my head liq. ______________________________ From: Grant A Beaugard Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 18:32:36 -0800 Subject: celfone hacks, scans, etc. writes(Janet M. Swisher) >So Congress just outlawed cellular scanners, but every cellular phone >is also a scanner. Depending on the wording of the bill, this could >get interesting. Does it ban possession of scanners, or just sale? >Does it specifiy "single-purpose" scanners? Cellular phones, as sold, are not scanners. The phones must be modified for them to operate in this fashion. Similarly, the fuel tanks of Air Force 1 are not bombs; they are capable of operating in this fashion, but they must be modified. There is no law that I know of which prohibits the modification of cellular phones, but (as stated in the WIRED article), it is a grey area of the law. Hackers, however, are becoming increasingly aware of the fact that legality has nothing to do with whether one will get busted or not (read up on Operation Sundevil, etc.). ______________________________ From: my! The law does not specify single-purpose scanners. There are no consumer scanners manufactured which recieve only the cellular bands. >What if you sold a cellular "phone" in which the scanner commands >these guys have accessed were accessible to the regular user (but it >was also usable as a phone)? Is it illegal or not? That would make the device a cellular phone and a scanner, in which case it would be illegal under current US law. From my reading, it seems that the feds are really stuborn on this law. Everyone should buy a scanner. The wider the coverage, the better. Things go on which might supprise you. Other things to listen to besides cellular... The Pigs The Feds Fire and rescue Pirates (radio and otherwise) Mobile phones (about 400 Mhz and up a ways; this is legal and carries the same sort of traffic as cellular) Voice pagers Marine radio (listen to ship-to-shore phone calls. Often, the caller will give out their calling card number to the operator. It is illegal to use this number to avoid the gross overpricing of long-distance phone calls by the Phone Company. Don't do it. Multiple calls using this stolen number can be traced to the owner of the phone, unless a pay phone is being used, in which case, the caller is safe.) The military I've heard that a DTMF decoder can be used in conjunction with a scanner to lift card numbers and voice mail passwords. This is illegal. Don't do it. Don't do it, GB ------------------------------------------------------------------------- MANY OF THE ACTIVITIES DISCUSSED HERE ARE ILLEGAL OR CLOSE TO IT. DON'T DO THEM. NEITHER I OR ANY ORGANIZATION I AM ASSOCIATED WITH WILL BE BLAMED FOR YOU SHOULD YOU BE CAUGHT USING THIS INFORMATION ILLEGALY OR IN A QUESTIONABLE MANNER. HAVE A NICE DAY. ______________________________ From: Jay Prime Positive Subject: vr now Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 18:45:16 PST From: jpp@hermix To: future@nyx.cs.du.edu In-reply-to: Matthew A Carpenter's message of Wed, 27 Jan 93 10:29:35 EST <9301271529.AA28473@en.ecn.purdue.edu> Subject: vr now ok all you must-have-vr-now-geeks check this: i met a guy up in sf (at an extropian party) who (with a few others) wrote a cool vr system called habitat. it is currently comercialy available in japan. it's clients are comidore 64s! (also suported are ibm pc clones, maybe macs, don't remember.) the trick is to give up on 1st person. (and maybe even 3d.) go with gods eye view (3rd person). next develop a protocol based on objects, not on rendering (like x). these two ideas greatly reduce the cpu load, and com load makeing real time multi party vr available today. (and when cpus are up to it, 1st person can be put back in) anyone aching to put a graphics front end on a mud????? i'll play test it! j' ______________________________ From: Nowhere Man Subject: Re: vr(?) now Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 22:07:04 -0500 (EST) jpp@hermix did proclaim: > ok all you must-have-vr-now-geeks check this: i met a guy up in sf (at > an extropian party) who (with a few others) wrote a cool vr system > called habitat. it is currently comercialy available in japan. it's > clients are comidore 64s! (also suported are ibm pc clones, maybe > macs, don't remember.) the trick is to give up on 1st person. (and > maybe even 3d.) go with gods eye view (3rd person). next develop a [...] I remember reading about habitat _years_ ago. Back when I had a C=64! While it did look interesting, pretty much like a graphical mud, I would not in any way call it vr. Mostly because of the lack of the first-person viewpoint. Whithout that, you don't get any immersion in the simulated invironment. Thus -- it is not virtual reality. -- ( Nowhere Man ) Please do not use this document ( rpowers@panix.com ) as toilet tissue. ______________________________ From: Nowhere Man Subject: Re: Please, make me violently nauseous... Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 22:11:17 -0500 (EST) UC482529@MIZZOU1.missouri.edu (Anthony) did eloquently pronounce: > Go ahead and post just *one more* description of how you're dressed. > Please. I really do mean that. Honestly. > Seriously: would all you Doc Martin-wearing, Mondo reading, rave > attending, BBS calling, password guessing, self-named "cyberpunks" > please, please, PLEASE CUT THE FUCKING TRIVIA! So what are _you_ wearing? >:-) -- ( Nowhere Man ) Please do not use this document ( rpowers@panix.com ) as toilet tissue. ______________________________ Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 23:11:12 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine M Leonard Subject: More Black Clothes Only got a chance to read the last few digests tonight so my $.02 worth is late and probably old news. (but I'm gonna send this anyway :-) ) I'm fascinated by clothing and how people wear it; I'm as interested in those who dress "plainly" as those who are very creative with it. Both the descriptions of what subscribers are wearing and their commentary on why they are wearing it have been really enjoyable to read. The one common thread (as it were) that I noticed was comfort. All of the clothing described sounded, to me, very comfortable. That is certainly a big factor in my own choice of gear. My togs: Clothes are my courage, so I wear lots of black. Today it's black velvet stir-up pants, a black cotton turtle neck shirt, a black Gap crew neck heavy cotton long sleeved tunic, and black (sensible) short lace-up boots. I also like black because I'm a jewelry freak and black is a nice plain color that doesn't fight with it. I have multiple rings on every finger except my right pinky and thumb. Most of my stuff is silver. I have a pair of silver metal skeleton rearrings on and a pair of sterling silver moons. My left nostril is pierced and I wear a small silver stud in it. (No Docs--yet) I had a straight job for many years, but somehow managed to pull off a little wierdnes. Now that I've quit to go back to school, I can indulge in a lot of wierdness. ;-) (I have a spouse too, but no kids or mortgage) Most of my clothes are home sewn for guaranteed comfort (fit) and because I love tailored stuff. Issey Miyake is a big favorite of mine and if I sew my own Isseys with commercial (licensed) patterns, I can actually afford him. (Hi, my name is Cate and I'm a fashion victim :-) ) ______________________________ Date: 27 Jan 1993 23:09:33 -0600 (CST) From: Scotto >You mean you were _actually_joking? I've done a lot of programming in >the nude. My girlfriend works, so I usually go to bed when she does, but >if the creative urge hits me in the middle of the night, or even the next >morning, I never hesitate to log in without dressing first. Its a bit >cold in most of the house, but my equipment room gets quite warm with the >NeXT running 24 hours a day - and as soon as I turn on that 300W halogen, >things are actually hot enough despite the fact that I live in Seattle. >I guess I've always taken folks seriously when they've said "hack naked". I swear, you hackers is the weirdest folks... ______________________________ Subject: I'm in #future, 12:00 AM East. From: ahawks@mindvox.phantom.com (Andy Hawks) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 00:06:11 EST I'll be at #future on IRC for awhile now, at 12:00 AM Eastern on Jan 28. ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu FutureCulture: In/f0rmation ahawks@mindvox.phantom.com future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu ______________________________ Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 21:49:54 -0800 (PST) From: Al Billings Subject: Re: your mail On 27 Jan 1993, Scotto wrote: > >You mean you were _actually_joking? I've done a lot of programming in > >the nude. My girlfriend works, so I usually go to bed when she does, but > >if the creative urge hits me in the middle of the night, or even the next > >morning, I never hesitate to log in without dressing first. Its a bit > >cold in most of the house, but my equipment room gets quite warm with the > >NeXT running 24 hours a day - and as soon as I turn on that 300W halogen, > >things are actually hot enough despite the fact that I live in Seattle. > > >I guess I've always taken folks seriously when they've said "hack naked". > > I swear, you hackers is the weirdest folks... I live in Seattle too. I would use my computer naked (I run a BBS and the computer is in my room) but my keyboard is in a metal case (at least the bottom part it metal) so when I get up in the morning and put it in my lap, WHHOOO-WEEE, that's COLD! Needless to say, cloths come on (at least pants). _________________________________________________________________________ | | | That's all for today! | | To send a message to the list: future@nyx.cs.du.edu | | To subscribe/unsubscribe/change format: future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu | | All other requests: future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu | | List Maintainer is: (andy [aka hawkeye]) ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu | |_________________________________________________________________________| | | | The opinions expressed in FutureCulture are those of the individual | | author only. | |_________________________________________________________________________|