From - Wed Jan 14 11:46:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: from relay2.UU.NET by mrco.carleton.ca (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA12041; Tue, 26 Jan 93 13:42:05 EST Received: from nyx.cs.du.edu by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA11191; Tue, 26 Jan 93 13:34:51 -0500 Received: by nyx.cs.du.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA27378; Tue, 26 Jan 93 11:30:18 MST From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (andy) Message-Id: <9301261830.AA27378@nyx.cs.du.edu> X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of Denver. The University has neither control over nor responsibility for the opinions or correct identity of users. Subject: FutureCulture Digest #195 To: future-digest@nyx.cs.du.edu Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 11:30:17 MST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 35921 X-Lines: 907 ______________________________________________________________________ |______________ / | | / | | u t u r e <___________ u l t u r e | _______________________________________________________________________| Issue #195 Tuesday, January 26th 1993 Today's Topics: --------------- fuck me, itys authoritarian autopia MUDs Alife and clothes clothes Clothes, Ephedrine Clothes/Culture. Clothing clothing culture and subclothing drug use on AUtopia Internet Time Frames (was Re: WIRED online? (fwd)) Legalities and BBS... Many Threads- Esp. Wired.. more on the bleeding clothes mentality, etc Re: more on the bleeding clothes mentality, etc Re: Newsweek is Wired re: BBS & laws Re: Clothing Re: clothing re: clothing Re: cyberspace ?! re: fuck me... Re: Newsweek is Wired re: NeXTs used re: the mainstream Re: yanking up the WIRING subculture and not clothing Them clothes what does a newt wear? =) Yet more Clothing -- sorry & time frame stuff __________________________________________________________________________ Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 00:20:06 MST From: Juggler Subject: Legalities and BBS... For lack of a better place to ask, I thought i'd post here. If anyone knows anything about what is legal to post to BBS's and what isn't, could you send me a message. I'm interested in finding out what can get an individual busted and what can't. How far can the freedom of speech go legally? Thanks and looking forward to replies. If it gets nuts, i'll ask to post to the list. That way everyone can participate. -Juggler -------------------------------------------------------- | Juggler |I'd like to thank you for | | IH23@utep.BITNET |lettin me be mice elf again| | IH23@utepvm.ep.utexas.edu|-Sly and the Family Stone- | |******************************************|-----------| | Sysop of Three Ring Circus (915)564-0026 | -------------------------------------------- My school doesn't have opinions.... ______________________________ From: swisher@cs.utexas.edu (Janet M. Swisher) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 01:27:13 -0600 Subject: clothing Gee, I must be part of the counter-counter-culture. I read FC, yet I have a spouse and a mortgage. I don't go to raves cuz they go past my bedtime. I don't have a job, but is that my knife-stab in the heart of the establishment, or just a sign of my current state of weakness? I'm wearing Reebok cross-trainers, at least 6 months too old to exercise in; light blue crew socks; dark blue Wrangler jeans (not Levi's -- how daring!); long johns with little pink and blue flowers on them; hand-me-down purple-maroon LL Bean chamois shirt (their stuff lasts forever -- that's why the Old Money folks love it); Casio watch; gold wedding band with knurled edges; no earrings cuz some mornings it's just too much trouble to pick 'em out; hair shoulder-length blunt cut with side part and bangs, which has worked for me just fine since the ninth grade; no make-up. Years of reading Glamour and Vogue convinced me I don't know how to dress, so now I don't try. Cheers, Janet -- Don't take life so serious ... it ain't *no how* permanent. -- Porkypine. ______________________________ From: Jay Prime Positive Subject: culture and subclothing Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 23:36:43 PST From: jpp@hermix To: future@nyx.cs.du.edu Subject: culture and subclothing hiking shoes (13 narrow, blue nylon, and grey suede) bright blue socks overalls (XL, blue faded) "cxiuj unu popolo" button ("(we're) all one people" (in esperanto)) cryonic id bracelet, and neclace (can't be too carefull!) sony walkman (bright yellow, techno mix tape, LOUD) "joURnees" tshirt (XL, purple, long sleaves, with Recycle logo) "gax" stocking cap (blue and red verticle stripes) long red/blond hair in a queue (great word queue...) j' ______________________________ Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 00:12:55 -0800 From: Brian Willoughby Subject: Re: Newsweek is Wired | ... | group-centered e-lists, individual mail and posts.... There's no | room for a [aargh, vocabulary failing].....There's no room for a | big group with a common focus on the net, it's all individual and | stuff.... | | crap, screw this....someone get me one of those books where it's | got words that mean the same thing as other words.... Book ?!! Weren't you just talking about how electrons are replacing ink? Git yersef a NeXT, boy! Got one o' dem dere 'lectronic thesauri built right in. Double-click yer word in question - she'll find a few worthy replacements and define it as well. Its what MindVox runs on and it what Phantom Access Technologies prototyped their software on. Used one'll do ya, startin' at $2,497.50 with 8 MB + 105 MB. Hell, everybody on FC should get one: then we can have an audio/video mailing list. Oops. Sorry about that last paragraph. Back to reason now... --- Brian Willoughby Software Design Engineer, BSEE NCSU BrianW@SoundS.WA.com Sound Consulting: Software Design and Development NeXTmail welcome ______________________________ Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 04:14:40 EST From: zamboni@ap.cl.msu.edu (happy zamboni) Subject: Many Threads- Esp. Wired.. Hey all- Just wanted to throw my 2cents into the ring: Clothes: I guess I would have to vote with the "who-cares" contingent...but then another piece of me would is just plain nosy, and would like to visualize the speaker so umm...well, anyway, I like the idea of posting GIFs or something, but since this is CYBERSPACE (or whatever, I don't want to get involved in the Linguistic dispute), how about pictures of how you would LIKE to look in this environment. Ray-trace your ideal cyber-face, maybe (ok...ok..there's that word again- give me a better one and I'll use it). Artificial Life MUDS: Sounds like a very interesting idea. Run with it. I'm not up on the MUD- scene all that much, but aren't there some variants where the players do program parts of their environs? What flavor is this- MUCK? MUSH? I dunno, all I've every played has been LP's, and I never played much (Although, I will *blushing* admit it, I have played CyberWorld. I am cheezemaster, I confess.) The first problem I foresee, right off the top of my head is that, assuming that the system is fairly detailed (as opposed to a glorified CoreWars..), your "ecology" (or game-balance, in game terms) will have to be very fine- tuned. Elsewise kids, those guys that stay up for a week straight mumbling "Gotta make Wiz...Gotta make wiz.." will be staying up fine-tuning their Pseduo-Meglosaurs to eat all of your carefully programmed Silver-Plated- Pseduo-Deer. Survival of the fittest will be a hard algorithm-not impossible, as shown by the MAXIS games, esp. Simlife, but still no bubble sort neither. Wired: And here's where I actually wanted to start. First off, I saw a copy at Schuler's Books (is this a chain or local - don't ask me..) here in East Lansing. So I read it, but didn't buy it... Looked Ok, I guess.. Sorta bland opinion I realize, but that was all I got off of it. Looked less flakey than M2K, but still fairly smarmy and self-important ("Look at me! I'm on the Cutting Edge (tm)! Look at me!" "Shaddup weenie-boy, I owned a Commodore Pet when they were Brand New.") But! The "what is the so-called cutting edge computer tech/culture magazine dooing on paper" thread caught my fancy...(more so than the magazine itself, that should tell you something...). I've noticed something, you've noticed something, and conveinently enough, Andy just talked about something, thus I quote : "-=) Finally, the reports about W I R E D I've heard so far always bring up the nah-nah-nah-nah-nah point of "it's on paper". Well, hey, got news for ya newsies, as soon as things go digital In-A-Big-Way (tm), professional publishing loses it's value 100%... Just look at the domination of small e-zines, group-centered e-lists, individual mail and posts.... There's no room for a [aargh, vocabulary failing].....There's no room for a big group with a common focus on the net, it's all individual and stuff.... " [End-Quote] Eventually, especially here in the US, for you international members of the list, Somebody somewhere will hit on the Idea - "Hey! A lot of people's main Info-Media source is on these computer network thingys! And I'M NOT FUCKING MAKING A PROFIT OFF OF IT!" Yes, sooner or later, Capitalism will rear it's ugly head, and the smell of $$$$ will fill somebody's noses. We do already see this in the form of Compu$erve and the rest of the "charge for access, charge for use, charge for mail, and oh, charge for backspacing too." companies. But something tells me that someone (Time-Warner? Sony? could be any of them...the mega-media guys) will want to make a buck off of what we are doing right now...Not the access, not the time, but the actual ..damn, what is the right word.. Media? Message? Electronic Magazine? whatever.... And my suspicion is not that they will just say "Well..er..pay $20 a year to belong to our mailing list- we're cool..", but rather that they will try to sculpt a system where we HAVE to pay for this..(I mean, can you imagine this if the Internet was controlled by say...AT&T? God in heaven, my pocketbook's empty...) Please shoot me down if you think I'm way off base, It would make me very happy, but please give me a good arguement for why, rather than just - "It wouldn't happen cause it's not that way now." Look 5, 10, 15 years down the road at the nature and dynamics of the net, tell me what you see. If someone can try to make BIG money off of it, they will try, and they will try HARD. Maybe it would be better to try and come up with the ways that they COULD (or will attempt), the better to head them off at the pass. Anyway, enough rant for now. -Zamboni BTW- In regards to the "Sound & Vision" train of thought- if anyone wants snippets of my band, I'd be more than happy to digitize some and send them out. Hell, I'd make you a tape even, if you wanted to send me one Snail-Mail. Anyone come up with a good idea for mass net distribution for music (other than MODs, peanut gallery...) ______________________________ From: sml@mfltd.co.uk (Shaun Lowry) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 10:12:35 GMT Subject: Internet Time Frames (was Re: WIRED online? (fwd)) In message 'Re: WIRED online? (fwd)', Sean Carton writes: >The e-zine/mailing list/alt.whatever is really the only "real" way we have of >reflecting the culture. Real as in real time. Hmm. I think maybe real-time was the wrong phrase to use. We're all islands here in netland, and like in real life, the further you are away from something, the longer it takes to get to you. Distance isn't necessarily geographical here, distance can be measured as the average speed of each of the Internet "hops" a piece of data must pass through to get to you. Say for example the guy in the next building to you gets his Internet feed via a Xyplex 6220 mega-router direct from a major hub, and you get yours from a BBS, who get it from another BBS via 1200 baud modem, who get it from local hub, who get it from another major hub via uucp in batches. Now the guy next door may receive a Usenet article anything up to an hour before you see it, and reply to it. Now depending on the speed at which his hub distributes articles to the hub that you receive Usenet from, it's very likely that you'll see his reply to the article before you see the original. This sort of thing happens all the time with Usenet, mailing lists, whatever. So now comes the question, "how should we measure time relative other Internet nodes?" We could end up with some sort of weird forward/backward moving time frame, if we measure it such that mail and Usenet articles are contiguous. Humm, enough babble, anyway. (UK-PIPEX) Time for caffeine. Shaun. -- /s(Shaun Lowry)def/g{.7 setgray}def/c{10 0 -1 arc fill}def 300 600 100 0 360 arc stroke 300 600 50 180 0 arc stroke g 300 600 c stroke 1 2 scale 270 325 c stroke 330 325 c stroke grestore 125 450 moveto/Helvetica findfont 60 scalefont setfont gsave 0.03 .09 rmoveto g [ 1 0 2 -1 0 0 ] concat s show grestore s show showpage ______________________________ Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 06:04:48 -0500 From: Sean Michael Carton Subject: Re: clothing Right now, I'm wearing green Dockers, a faded blue sweatshirt, beat-up hiking boots, and glasses that I wish would stop perching on my nose and stay in place! One of the greatest things that anyone ever told me about clothing was: "Those who do, don't dress." Think about it. Sean ______________________________ Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 10:56:10 GMT From: David Hancock Subject: subculture and not clothing I'm not wearing anything right now. dh. ______________________________ Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 06:17:07 -0500 From: Sean Michael Carton Subject: Re: cyberspace ?! Yikes! "Keep our language accurate?" Who's language? Accurate according to what? I think that WWI and WWII proved the modernist's program wrong. Things are what we call them and "cyberspace" is just a term. I think that at the root of your complaint is a deep disgust for "hipness" and a wanton desire for objectivitiy. Of course "cyberspace" isn't an inherently rational term, but so what? Language is constantly changing and last week's ultimate metaphor is this week's cliche'. Its nothing to get excited about--just roll with the flow. OF course, I'm not going to fall into that old relativist trap--I do think that a basis in the general language of the culture is necessary--but you must realize that things change. Sean ______________________________ Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 03:22:30 -0800 From: salsbury@netcom.com (The Butterfly) Subject: drug use on AUtopia *IF* you're gonna ban 'em, I say drop Alcohol, FIRST. Then Nicotine, Then Caffeine. THEN lessee how this culture functions. :) I'm absolutely serious about this. Set an example, don't ban drugs out of hand because you don't use them personally. Brings to mind a couple of quotes: (This one's a paraphrase. I can't find the exact one at the moment.) "The use of psychedelics causes feelings of fear, paranoia, and psychotic delusions...in thousands of politicians who've never tried them." -Dr. Timothy Leary "Against abortion? Then don't have one." -A bumper sticker on my friend's car. (I'm sure you can see the parallel here. If you can't, just ask, and I'll be sure to explain it V-E-R-Y C-L-E-A-R-L-Y.) ;^) Pat (Who thinks if everyone only worried about themselves, the world would probably be a much more peaceful place.) ______________________________Think For Yourself_______________________________ Patrick G. Salsbury 1800 Market Street #23, San Francisco, CA 94102 Voicemail: 415/703-7177 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thinking for yourself can be painful. It is easier to follow the lead of popular people than to think for oneself and make one's own decision; but the people one chooses to follow may not have accurate information. -Nadja Adolf ______________________________ From: stuartj@MENTORG.COM (Stuart John) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 11:34:44 +0000 Subject: Clothing [black jeans technics bassline promo shirt nike x-trainers] i sense a black motif emerging here. my god it's goth all over again, just when it was dying out. can someone please build a personal-stereo feedback device which zaps anyone, within a certain radius, with annoyingly loud earphones... l8r -- _ ( `/_ (_)(_(/ Stuart_John@MENTORG.COM Mentor Graphics Corporation, BRACKNELL, England #include ______________________________ Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 06:38:43 -0500 From: Sean Michael Carton Subject: Re: Newsweek is Wired Oohhh...time to hear some dirt on Wired?! A friend of mine owns a small fringe/comix/edge/wacko bookstore in Baltimore and is usually very good about carrying all the latest 'zines and magazines, especially the fringe ones (Extropy, Boing Boing, Cryonics, etc...) Naturally, when he heard about "Wired" he wanted to make sure to stock the shelves with it when it came out. Unfortunately, several frustrating calls to his suppliers turned up a very distrubing fact--none of them had it! Another roundo of calls--this time to the Wired people themslves--no avail. Finally, he got hold of one distributor and found out the awful truth about Wired--THEY WILL ONLY DEAL WITH BIG DISTRIBUTORS! That's right folks, B Dalton, Waldenbooks, Encore, Tower, you name it--as long as its a big conglomerate-chain that can afford to buy in quantity. Fuck the little guy, as it were. I think that its painfully obvious to me that Wired is hard at work being the Teen Beat for the new edge. Prediction--give 'em a few years and watch 'em bail with the profits. I don't know, the scary thing is that this may be the most "New Edgy" thing that they could do. Sean (maybe I'll be eating these words--I hope so) ______________________________ From: u9009914@athmail1.causeway.qub.ac.uk Subject: Yet more Clothing -- sorry & time frame stuff Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 11:38:04 GMT Ok Every one must be fed up with this, but why should the uk be left out just because we are 7 or 8 hours behind. Black doc's un-laced type -- less effort in morning a blue-green t-shirt a heavier grey t-shirt a real loud purple "French Connection" sweatshirt a "North Face" fleece also grey the ubitiquous bluish levi's black leather gloves Aren't I label conscious today !?! Normally I wear 1 or 2 t-shirts, a shirt, a waistcoat, levi's & my depiladated black leather jacket -- boots of course I think that people generally wear what they feel comfortable in, I wear lots of layers for flexibility. People only look good in what they wear if they feel comfortable with their `image'. You could take anybody and put them in a designer outfit, but it will only look good on them if they look or feel relaxed. I had a friend at school who could look fantastic, even if he was wearing a shirt and a pair of trashed jeans -- he had "style" While I am writing this sean posted >One of the greatest things that anyone ever told me about clothing was: >"Those who do, don't dress." >Think about it. This is exactly want I meant about my friend, he looked good in what ever he wore. Clothes are in general a bit of a hassle, when you get up in the morning you have to find what is clean / wearable or what you feel like putting on -- I just generally wear the above, but get bored everynow and then. It is about 11:30 am GMT and people in the uk are starting to respond to the FC list about 5-6 hours behind, so the internet time lag is also related to when people actually get up round the world, but this has been present since phones became common place. First post so be gentle n-joi gav u9009914@athmail1.causeway.qub.ac.uk <-- preferred gr.bell@v2.qub.ac.uk :: undergrad Psychology/CompSci Everything in Excess ! To enjoy the flavour of life, take big bites. Moderation is for monks. -- Lazurus Long ______________________________ Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 06:47:44 -0500 From: ae736@yfn.ysu.edu (Christian Sykes) Subject: more on the bleeding clothes mentality, etc Well, i'm the the (apparently, from the tone of the previous posts) stereotypical hardcore nation (lets not say grunge) artfag fashion misfit with the requisite piercings, docs, goatee, etc., etc., ad nauseam. And i primarily dress this way out of a sense of comfort and i do feel so vunerable without steel toes. But i'll tell you something horridly disgusting: my style of dressing was developed in me youth in little rock, arkansas where such a style was shared only by very few and would garner frightened stares in wal-mart and rednecks would rather enjoy yelling 'faggot' at me. But, after i had gotten to where i rather enjoyed this feeling of being an alien in my own homeland, i moved to lawrence, ks to attend the u of k and every bloody person looks just like me. I went, practically overnight, from being a misfit to being a member of the status quo. And what is even more disgusting, is when i finally returned to little rock after an absence of two years, i found docs and flannel on all the mall mavens, no one gives me a second glance in wal-mart, and the redneck boyz all have long hair and blast nirvahnah instead of ozzy. What is one to do when the hallmarks of yer subculture have been appropriated by the masses? bleeck, xtian -- ____ Xtian! ae736@yfn.ysu.edu Happy & bleeding...all for you! At peace \ / in the all-embracing, warm, sensual, slowly thrusting love of \/ our Lord, Jesus Christ ______________________________ Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 05:08:45 -0700 From: "-=/[ drow ]/=-" Subject: Re: more on the bleeding clothes mentality, etc obviously, you shave your head, wear combat boots and leather with chains, blast ozzy, and mercilessly hunt groupie hicks in the mallz with a very large s00per-sh00ter 9000. or dress like clinton, who gets to be social misfit in DC for a while. or... hell, i dunno. don't worry about it, you're the genuine article, and i mean that in the nicest way possible, you queer misfit. :) > ____ Xtian! ae736@yfn.ysu.edu Happy & bleeding...all for you! At peace > \ / in the all-embracing, warm, sensual, slowly thrusting love of > \/ our Lord, Jesus Christ hey, wow. i like that. i should give that to my catholic grandmother, she'd love it. heh. m00, ned phish! -=/[ drow ]/=- whose only quote is 'but quote unquote that's the way it goes' ______________________________ Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 08:46:41 EST From: kjp0@Lehigh.EDU (Captain Ken) Subject: Them clothes Hey! ? Am I the only one out there wearing plaid flanel boxers? And yes that is all I'm wearing for the rest of the day, except for my Bruins hat if I get cold. Be your own god! ^@$!%*(()%&!$#^*)^&*@$%&@*&%($)$#&@$$%$!@#$@%!^%&^*%^*#@%^ "I hate you more than my job" -Jello Biafra ______________________________ Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 15:30:27 CET From: idiot Subject: fuck me, itys authoritarian autopia i dont beleive this...i know, its a plan....someone in the inner circle of AUtopia mentions drug abuse onboard, then another anonymously mentions what a problem it could be, then they write down the names of everyone who agrees and never let these people on board that is what you are doing, isnt it? or do some of the autopians seriously beleive that drug use would need to be controlled onboard...i thought the AUTONOMY was rather important...huh? sure, a repair job on the motors would need to be without hallucinogenic assistance, but i am sure that much work can be improved at certain times by the judicious or even not so judicious use of substances, even on board a ship. i am of course relying on a certain emotional maturity of the people on board, that the people can deal rationally with wierd stuff going on, then working the next day or whenever with the freaks and not holding it against them....from what i seem to be seeing here WRT autopia the interested parties seem to see ......forget it please clarify please..... tim ______________________________ Date: 26 Jan 1993 09:26:29 -0500 (EST) From: dillongm@ucunix.san.uc.EDU (Johnny Monocrome) Subject: re: clothing On the subject of clothing and stuff.. I am waring black motorcycle boots(Steel toes) sockes black jeans (i have no idea what brand) white t-shirt w/ some guy holding a ball and chain and blood spatterings. green sweatshirt with some school logo (got it real cheap) black leatger jacket w/ many many studes, spikes, buttons, and paintings. black fingerless gloves. gotee thang black rimed glasses wich will be replace w/ black warp-a-rounds when i leave this lab. hair Clevo Indians hat w/ safty pin in Wahos nose and a 1.5 inch spike on the top. i used to dress like that that a punk should (boot,jacket,spikes....) but now i just dress how the fuck i wanna, which usally is the above. I will dress to casue people to stare at me sometimes, like going to the mall i will "punk out" or when hanging out w/ punk i will ware a suit... i just try to dress the oppisit of what humans would like a person in that situation would ware. get it? I want to add real crome to my leater but havent yet. (no money nor k00l junk yards to go scrap). i forgot my earrings... on sliver hoop and an illumaniti-like i-in-the pyrimind thang. leter J.Monocrome "Just anybody can have h" ______________________________ Subject: clothes From: ehsmith@mindvox.phantom.com (Ethan H. Smith) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 09:44:47 EST Oh, I resisted at first, thinking that it wouldn't last, but now it seems like it's the thing to do to tell all, clothes-wise (it'll be out by the time this gets on the list...) Work wardrobe: Shonen Knife t-shirt, brown v-neck sweater, black jeans, white socks, brown sheepskin shooz bought by my father in 1966 (wow, no way, cool, dude--I know you're all dyin'). And a silver loop earing. And um black nerdy glasses. Well, off to another grindin' day at Sassy magazine... --Fatboy "Hey fatboy! Asshole! Come here! I'll kill you! You killed my mother!" --Ween ______________________________ Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 15:50:30 CET From: idiot Subject: MUDs Alife and clothes if some people are interested in doing alife on MUDs or something similar, check out the MOOs: they are object oriented programming "spaces" so to speak, partially or mainly developed out at the xerox parc place. it is quite simple to get programming priveleges there, if you want to play around for a while, and the code is quite portable and easily set up, apparently. wrt cothes././// im wearing the same cclothes i was on saturday, except i think i changed my socks....you will all be happy to know that i have patched my jeans and have only two holes left over, and my arse is now purple corduroy. tim ______________________________ Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 10:02:10 -0500 From: ah185@yfn.ysu.edu (Christopher L. Tumber) Subject: Re: Clothing Stuart suggests: > can someone please build a personal-stereo feedback device whi > anyone, within a certain radius, with annoyingly loud earphone Heh, Heh... Two of MY dream devices... One that would set off store/library exit alarms (the ones that go off when you rip stuff) from a distance (say 10 feet).... We used to have tons of fun slipping books into peoples bags/jackets/etc and laughing when the alarm went of and the librarian had a cow... Another similar device which would set off annoying car alarms. Particularly of people who like to play with theirs, running 'test' mode 5 or 6 times a day..... Sigh, makes me wish I'd taken more electronics in High School... ______________________________ From: Ess-tee-ee-vee-ee Subject: re: BBS & laws Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 9:12:00 CST You should check out the Freenet sites and the EFF site for info on legalities of BBS operations. EFF is reachable at ftp.eff.org and the Cleveland Freenet is at hela.ins.cwru.edu. Good luck. Steve J. White ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- The opinions expressed herein are aragorn@convex.csd.uwm.edu sometimes those of others. aragorn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu ______________________________ From: Ess-tee-ee-vee-ee Subject: re: NeXTs used Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 9:14:22 CST ______________________________ From: the! Do you have any sources for info on where to acquire one of these little gems used? Yes, I am serious. Steve J. White ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- The opinions expressed herein are aragorn@convex.csd.uwm.edu sometimes those of others. aragorn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu ______________________________ Date: 26 Jan 1993 10:18:14 -0500 (EST) From: Newt the Ever-Curious Subject: what does a newt wear? =) I am wearing old faded blue Levi's, a 'cactus' colour long sleeve tee, tan carhart jacket, blue cap, and extremely worn canvas deck shoes. Oh no!! I forgot to wear black today! ;-) Newt ______________________________ From: Ess-tee-ee-vee-ee Subject: Re: Newsweek is Wired Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 9:22:35 CST ______________________________ From: the! Enough reason to not buy the thing? You make your own call. As for me, I'll wait for the usual UL'ing of text of articles and I'll just borrow a copy from a net.friend or something like that. Guess I'll just go with my original idea of sub'ing to bOING bOING. Steve J. White ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- The opinions expressed herein are aragorn@convex.csd.uwm.edu sometimes those of others. aragorn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu ______________________________ From: Ess-tee-ee-vee-ee Subject: re: the mainstream Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 9:24:50 CST ______________________________ From: the! Start your own thang, eh? ->____ Xtian! ae736@yfn.ysu.edu Happy & bleeding...all for you! At peace ->\ / in the all-embracing, warm, sensual, slowly thrusting love of -> \/ our Lord, Jesus Christ Steve J. White ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- The opinions expressed herein are aragorn@convex.csd.uwm.edu sometimes those of others. aragorn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu ______________________________ From: Ess-tee-ee-vee-ee Subject: re: fuck me... Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 9:30:21 CST ______________________________ From: the! Simply put, no. No one is on some sort of steering committee or anything like that. Anyone and everyone would be welcome in this community. Considering your paranoic feelings are you sure you could handle communal living? It's not a flame, just a question. The whole drug use issue is just that, an issue that's being dealt with as it's brought up. Like has been said, it would most likely only be an issue if it begins to impede someone's ability to work. ->tim Steve J. White ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- The opinions expressed herein are aragorn@convex.csd.uwm.edu sometimes those of others. aragorn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu ______________________________ From: Lauri Tarkkala Subject: Clothes/Culture. Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 18:29:22 EET About this clothes thing and everything else in the future, i stick to my beloved theory of the sub-cultures and the stupid-brainless-follower-masses. The subcultures will problably go on wearing whatever they feel like, and the people who watch mtv (guess who they are ?-) will wear whatever is on tv this week. As for the subcultures, i would estimate a more "down-and-dirty" type of thing. While the mtv people will be wearin' nice clean shit, or the oh-so "revolutionary"-stuff mtv keeps waving around. And w/ the business shit, they will keep on w/ whatever is the trend, which will problably still be suits of somekind, dunno about ties, methinks they are awkward (dunno, when i get to 40, though :). Oh yeah, today i was wearing, a white xl-t-shirt, kinda-wide-blue-jeans, black sweater, a black jacket, and a cap w/ a metal plate reading "public enemy" on it (had that one for 1.5 years now :-) and then some Reebow blacktops. -- laurit@mits.mdata.fi ______________________________ From: "Spam@tin.supermarket.tescos" Subject: Re: yanking up the WIRING Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:33:32 +0000 (GMT) Spam, spam, egg and Patrick McKee : => =>On Mon, 25 Jan 1993, Brian Willoughby wrote: => =>> I would love to see the FutureCulture mailing list break into new =>> technological areas by adding images and sounds to its palette of =>> communications. =>> --- => =>I use PINE 3.05 mailer on our unix system. It does allow the attachment =>of binary files. Several of us here at the University are already using =>this feature. Oh yea, it also allows you to view/listen to the binary =>if you are set-up for it. You merely have to have the right software for =>PINE to use. => U can do this with ELM too - the standard is MIME, the warez is called metamail - will work with other mailers too - works with all data formats, is very extensible. We use it for images, richtext and PGP encryption here. Spam. ______________________________ From: jesse@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (Jesse Davis) Subject: Clothes, Ephedrine Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 12:42:33 EST Couple things, folks... 1) Clothes thread: Whatever else can be said about the validity of this thread, whether it's an important subject, or whether it 'belongs' on FC, this digest was the biggest one I've ever seen... 2) Ephedrine: Something that's not discussed much by the nootropics crowd...it's available OTC -- for now, but I'm told the FDA is taking notice -- and has IMMENSE psychotropic effects. I took it for the first time a few nights ago, with a couple of Gotu Kola (dunno whether there were any real synergetic effects) and F L E W for 24 hours... the feeling's much like taking a large dose of methamphetamines, but I remained deeply focused the entire time...there was a bit of a crash, but not much. *WARNING* I am not endorsing the use of this drug!! I looked it up in the physician's drug reference book, and there are any _number_ of nasty potential side-effects!! You can potentially have a heart attack from this stuff if you're not healthy, or if you're taking other medicines. However, I would _strongly_ urge people to do research, check it out with their physicians, and make an intelligent decision of their own, 'cause it's _amazing_ stuff. :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Jesse Davis | | |jesse@picasso.ocis. | "Metaphor is my mathematics" | | temple.edu | --Free Agent .rez | | 215-545-3724 | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________________ | | | That's all for today! | | To send a message to the list: future@nyx.cs.du.edu | | To subscribe/unsubscribe/change format: future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu | | All other requests: future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu | | List Maintainer is: (andy [aka hawkeye]) ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu | |_________________________________________________________________________| | | | The opinions expressed in FutureCulture are those of the individual | | author only. | |_________________________________________________________________________|