From - Wed Jan 14 11:45:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.UU.NET by mrco.carleton.ca (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA08297; Sat, 23 Jan 93 01:33:33 EST Received: from nyx.cs.du.edu by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA07799; Sat, 23 Jan 93 01:31:01 -0500 Received: by nyx.cs.du.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02472; Fri, 22 Jan 93 23:30:15 MST From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (andy) Message-Id: <9301230630.AA02472@nyx.cs.du.edu> X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of Denver. The University has neither control over nor responsibility for the opinions or correct identity of users. Subject: FutureCulture Digest #189 To: future-digest@nyx.cs.du.edu Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 23:30:14 MST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: O Content-Length: 15859 X-Lines: 464 ______________________________________________________________________ |______________ / | | / | | u t u r e <___________ u l t u r e | _______________________________________________________________________| Issue #189 Friday, January 22nd 1993 Today's Topics: --------------- Smart Drugs - DMAE Smart drugs - DMAE HELP on morphogenetic fields... next meeting OJ thread, and ulcers Re: Smart drugs - DMAE RE: 7-11's Re: your mail Re: your mail, i.e. The Confedration of Independent Internet States[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D __________________________________________________________________________ From: Ess-tee-ee-vee-ee Subject: next meeting Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 1:06:44 CST The next virtual meeting is scheduled for 2000 UT this coming Sunday. The main topic of discussion, as far as AUtopia is concerned, is the next version of the AUtopia FAQ ... 3.1 I believe. All are welcome! Look for #AUtopia in IRC at the above time. Steve J. White ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- The opinions expressed herein are aragorn@convex.csd.uwm.edu sometimes those of others. aragorn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu ______________________________ From: Ess-tee-ee-vee-ee Subject: next meeting Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 1:06:44 CST The next virtual meeting is scheduled for 2000 UT this coming Sunday. The main topic of discussion, as far as AUtopia is concerned, is the next version of the AUtopia FAQ ... 3.1 I believe. All are welcome! Look for #AUtopia in IRC at the above time. Steve J. White ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- The opinions expressed herein are aragorn@convex.csd.uwm.edu sometimes those of others. aragorn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu ______________________________ Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 09:59:09 -0500 From: ah185@yfn.ysu.edu (Christopher L. Tumber) Subject: OJ thread, and ulcers Hey, according to the news last night, some British researchers have found a bacteria which causes ulcers. Scrag the bacteria, and the ulcer clears up. ______________________________ From: O'Hara Walter Subject: RE: 7-11's Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 12:07:00 PST Try working P/T in a liquor store in a major city and 7-11's heaven! WAO'H ______________________________ Date: 22 Jan 1993 12:09:15 -0600 (CST) From: "free agent .rez" Subject: HELP on morphogenetic fields... ok, betting on a long-shot, here, but why the heck not? on another mailing list we were discussing Sheldrake's theory of morphogenetic fields. IF ANYONE OUT THERE KNOWS MORE ABOUT IT THAN IS PRESENTED BELOW< COULD THEY PLEASE SEND INFO TO ? if further correspondence is necessary, i'll go middleman so that someone doesn't get unnecessarily swamped... thanks! From: IN%"dlr@medical.win.net" 22-JAN-1993 11:16:50.66 To: IN%"pla_jfr@pki-nbg.philips.de" CC: IN%"leri-l@penguin.gatech.EDU" Subj: RE: Sheldrake Achi, writes about Sheldrake: >I read his book "the creative universe". The German version was >issued 1982. > >Sheldrake's theory of morphogenetic fields is based on this: >The material universe is based on components (atomic particles, >molecules), which in their structure and behaviour underlie >accident or indetermination. But there are complex structures >in (in)finite repetitions with complex and most determinate >behaviour. The question is, how can it be. > >According to Sheldrake each structure/form is embedded in its >specific (hierarchy of) morphogenetic field(s), which determines >its structure and its possibilities. He doesn't know where the >morphogenetic fields come from and how they establish and work >together with material/energy, but once a morphogenetic field >exists, it affects each similar structure independent from time >and space via morphogenetic resonance. The resonance probably >is based on the vibrations of the molecular structure - the >whole universe is swinging. ______________________________ From: the! "This book explores the possibility that memory is inherent in nature. It suggests that nartural systems, such as termite colonies, or pigeons, or orchid plants, or insulin molecules inherit a collective memory from all previous things of their kind, however far away they were and however long ago they existed. Because of this cumulative memory, through repetition the nature of things becomes increasingly habitual. Things are as they are because they were as they were." I don't feel really qualified to defend (or for that matter discuss in detail) the work of Sheldrake, but do find his ideas most fascinating and worthy of further exploration. If there were only more hours in the day. Dave * * * SEND INFO TO: ______________________________ Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 10:31:36 PST From: mark@ganymede.apple.com (Mark Baldwin) Subject: Re: your mail i read your post and had to throw in my two cents. whereas the net is not the cyberspace that gibson prophesied, it is an entity, a city or a dimension, littered with clubs and pubs, delis and parks, and the general administrivia of any domain. the net itself has a personality. once your in, you feel that old familiar feeling of endless space. but, just like going downtown, depending on your mood, you can End-up wherever you feel most comfortable. feeling like talking tech? head on over to FC...fEEl likE rAving tonitE? see ya on (at?) sfraves? feelin' horny? put on your dark glasses and sneak into alt.sex... the net IS a place. time for everyone to accept it as so. -mark. ______________________________ Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 10:51:42 PDT From: Subject: Smart drugs - DMAE My brother reports that after taking DMAE (120mg) near bedtime, he experienced extremely vivid and disturbing nightmares. He also claims that, normally, he "never has nightmares." I've also noticed having vivid dreams (not nightmares) after taking DMAE. This doesn't prove anything, but I wonder if anyone else has noticed similar effects. ______________________________ Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 11:59:15 PST From: mark@ganymede.apple.com (Mark Baldwin) Subject: Re: Smart drugs - DMAE where can you get this DMAE??? please post...or if anyone else makes this, or knows where to get it, ditto. thanks. -mark. ______________________________ Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 11:59:15 PST From: mark@ganymede.apple.com (Mark Baldwin) Subject: Re: Smart drugs - DMAE where can you get this DMAE??? please post...or if anyone else makes this, or knows where to get it, ditto. thanks. -mark. ______________________________ From: giamma@oas.olivetti.com (Gianmaria Clerici) Subject: Re: Smart drugs - DMAE Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 12:37:27 PST Mark Baldwin > > where can you get this DMAE??? please post...or if anyone else > makes this, or knows where to get it, ditto. > > thanks. > > -mark. > U can get DMAE and other smart stuff from: Smart Products, Inc. 870 Market Street, Suite 1262 San Francisco, CA 94102 write to them for their catalogue or call them at 1-800-878-6520 (9am-6pm PST) N-JOY Gianmaria ______________________________ From: giamma@oas.olivetti.com (Gianmaria Clerici) Subject: Re: Smart drugs - DMAE Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 12:37:27 PST Mark Baldwin > > where can you get this DMAE??? please post...or if anyone else > makes this, or knows where to get it, ditto. > > thanks. > > -mark. > U can get DMAE and other smart stuff from: Smart Products, Inc. 870 Market Street, Suite 1262 San Francisco, CA 94102 write to them for their catalogue or call them at 1-800-878-6520 (9am-6pm PST) N-JOY Gianmaria ______________________________ Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 12:59:27 -0800 From: tmaddox@netcom.com (Tom Maddox) Subject: Re: your mail >the net IS a place. So it is. Here's an excerpt from one of my columns in LOCUS last year talking about the nature of space and time on the nets: #### The megalopolises of cyberspace differ from their ordinary counterparts in many ways, but perhaps the most difficult to understand is that they are not held together by geography. The Internet, probably the largest city in cyberspace, is all over the world map: Berkeley, Tokyo, Oxford, Houston, Toronto, and thousands of other places. More confusing yet, what defines a cyberspace city differs from one network to another: Usenet is the network of those machines that exchange Usenet news; the Internet is the network of those machines that communicate by TCP/IP protocols and allow FTP and Telnet access to one another, and so on. These details do not matter to most users; what matters is that the cyberspace city has an abstract and complex structure that really must be experienced to be understood. What is important in network connections is not the geographical proximity of two or more machines but the ways they connect. If I have a very fast and continuous connection to a computer three thousand or more miles away, then we are very "close" to one another; if I have a slow and intermittent connection to one in my neighborhood, we are very "far". If one connection allows sophisticated Internet services (FTP and Telnet, but don't worry about those terms if you don't understand them) while another doesn't, the first connection will take me places and allow me to do things the second one won't. Space has been redefined. So has time. Because of the peculiar nature of cyberspace, we can find ourselves responding to messages that themselves are responses to messages that we won't see until later. Seeming temporal paradox ensues, in which we have causes preceding effects. In fact, every user on the network has what might be called a local frame of reference, which determines how the network looks to him or her, or, more to the point, in what order events on the network happen for him or her. Network relations are governed by a kind of Cyber/Special Relativity: this takes a little getting used to. #### Etc. Yours, Tom Maddox tmaddox@netcom.com ______________________________ Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 12:59:44 -0800 From: tmaddox@netcom.com (Tom Maddox) Subject: Re: your mail Sez mark@ganymede.apple.com (Mark Baldwin) >>the net IS a place. So it is. Here's an excerpt from one of my columns in LOCUS last year talking about the nature of space and time on the nets: >#### > The megalopolises of cyberspace differ from their >ordinary counterparts in many ways, but perhaps the most >difficult to understand is that they are not held together >by geography. The Internet, probably the largest city in >cyberspace, is all over the world map: Berkeley, Tokyo, >Oxford, Houston, Toronto, and thousands of other places. >More confusing yet, what defines a cyberspace city differs >from one network to another: Usenet is the network of >those machines that exchange Usenet news; the Internet is >the network of those machines that communicate by TCP/IP >protocols and allow FTP and Telnet access to one another, >and so on. These details do not matter to most users; what >matters is that the cyberspace city has an abstract and >complex structure that really must be experienced to be >understood. > > What is important in network connections is not the >geographical proximity of two or more machines but the ways >they connect. If I have a very fast and continuous >connection to a computer three thousand or more miles away, >then we are very "close" to one another; if I have a slow >and intermittent connection to one in my neighborhood, we >are very "far". If one connection allows sophisticated >Internet services (FTP and Telnet, but don't worry about >those terms if you don't understand them) while another >doesn't, the first connection will take me places and allow >me to do things the second one won't. Space has been >redefined. > > So has time. Because of the peculiar nature of >cyberspace, we can find ourselves responding to messages >that themselves are responses to messages that we won't see >until later. Seeming temporal paradox ensues, in which we >have causes preceding effects. In fact, every user on the >network has what might be called a local frame of >reference, which determines how the network looks to him or >her, or, more to the point, in what order events on the >network happen for him or her. Network relations are >governed by a kind of Cyber/Special Relativity: this takes >a little getting used to. >#### Etc. Yours, Tom Maddox tmaddox@netcom.com ______________________________ From: mtressle@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Soma Holiday) Subject: Re: your mail, i.e. The Confedration of Independent Internet States[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 16:20:53 EST Scribes resident scribe tmaddox: => => Sez mark@ganymede.apple.com (Mark Baldwin) => =>>>the net IS a place. => So it is. Here's an excerpt from one of my columns in LOCUS last =>year talking about the nature of space and time on the nets: => =>>#### =>> The megalopolises of cyberspace differ from their =>>ordinary counterparts in many ways, but perhaps the most =>>difficult to understand is that they are not held together =>>by geography. The Internet, probably the largest city in =>>cyberspace, is all over the world map: Berkeley, Tokyo, =>>Oxford, Houston, Toronto... And like those cities being in different countries, you need passports and visas to visit them, much like having permission/access to visit the internet nodes. Unless you can successfully sneak across the border. And in this new free open real world of ours, will freer, more open access follow suit? => Etc. => => Yours, => Tom Maddox => tmaddox@netcom.com => -- mike mtressle@bsu-cs.bsu.edu mtressle@lovelace.bsu.edu 00MBTRESSLER@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu _I_ want a piece of MEAT! ______________________________ Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 14:40:43 PDT From: Subject: Smart Drugs - DMAE Mark Baldwin > > where can you get this DMAE??? please post...or if anyone else > makes this, or knows where to get it, ditto. > Here in Oregon, it is available in liquid form at health food stores. DMAE is also an ingredient in some multi-vitamin/mineral/herbal supplements, such as "Mental Edge." (However, Mental Edge has so many different things in it that it's pretty hard to tell which of the effects are from the DMAE.) _________________________________________________________________________ | | | That's all for today! | | To send a message to the list: future@nyx.cs.du.edu | | To subscribe/unsubscribe/change format: future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu | | All other requests: future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu | | List Maintainer is: (andy [aka hawkeye]) ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu | |_________________________________________________________________________| | | | The opinions expressed in FutureCulture are those of the individual | | author only. | |_________________________________________________________________________|