From - Wed Jan 14 11:42:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.UU.NET by mrco.carleton.ca (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA27693; Sat, 16 Jan 93 01:38:05 EST Received: from nyx.cs.du.edu by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA02014; Sat, 16 Jan 93 01:30:48 -0500 Received: by nyx.cs.du.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15532; Fri, 15 Jan 93 23:30:22 MST From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (andy) Message-Id: <9301160630.AA15532@nyx.cs.du.edu> X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of Denver. The University has neither control over nor responsibility for the opinions or correct identity of users. Subject: FutureCulture Digest #180 To: future-digest@nyx.cs.du.edu Date: Fri, 15 Jan 93 23:30:20 MST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: R ______________________________________________________________________ |______________ / | | / | | u t u r e <___________ u l t u r e | _______________________________________________________________________| Issue #180 Friday, January 15th 1993 Today's Topics: --------------- Autopia, regarding cruiseships EFF irc client IRC clients NegativeLand re: The EFF... Talk by Yours Truly VIRTUAL QUESTION #1 __________________________________________________________________________ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 93 02:22:35 EST From: zamboni@ap.cl.msu.edu (happy zamboni) Subject: re: The EFF... To me, this brings up a more general question (or maybe questions..) That is: -Can you change "the system" (or in this case, fight for your rights and place in it) from outside that system? And: -If you work within that "system", is it inevitable that you are consumed by it eventually? I havee only a passing aquaintance with the EFF, never interacted or read anythiby the people in question, really. For those of you in the know, is this what we are seeing happening? Thanks, -Zamboni ______________________________ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 93 10:21:47 +0100 From: tor@geomatic.no (Tor Langballe) Subject: NegativeLand Hi! Is there anybody out there with a DAT tape of U2/Negativeland? I've got a NeXT with a DAT-Interface and could load the sound and compress it. Wow! In a few years, Entire CD's, Whole Movies MPEG'ed could be floating around in cyberspace! The record companies should be shitting themselves! -Tor ______________________________ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1993 13:14:29 +0100 From: cardell@lysator.liu.se Subject: Autopia, regarding cruiseships Isn't there a slight disanvatage chosing such a ship to hold a off-shore colony? Price? I mean, a used battle ship might be sold for $1, but I don't expect cruise ships to be the same... mikael cardell S P U N K P R E S S ______________________________ Subject: EFF From: schwartz@mindvox.phantom.com (Dave Schwartz) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 93 07:18:46 EST Paco writes: > Ditto on the above. I've been hearing a lot of attitude outta MindVox > which xlates to a kind of self-indulgence... Where were they when the > work was getting done? Depends who they is, MindVox as a whole has many people in its community whose opinions don't mirror those of Surfer's, including members of the Austin EFF. Almost all of the heavy duty outrage came from people who are friends of Rita and Mike. Mike has been 're-organized' and Rita has been fired, she posted to MindVox that she found about her termination at an airport on the way to her honeymoon. The way things were handled seems to be what outraged people so much. -]Dave ______________________________ From: wixer!pacoid@cs.utexas.edu (Paco Xander Nathan) Subject: re: The EFF... Date: Fri, 15 Jan 93 10:22:03 CST > rights and place in it) from outside that system? > And: > -If you work within that "system", is it inevitable that you > are consumed by it eventually? > I havee only a passing aquaintance with the EFF, never interacted or read anythiby the people in question, really. For those of you in the know, is this > what we are seeing happening? > -Zamboni System? The system is that most people have a lot of MISCONCEPTIONS about "computers" and the relatively few people who use them profusely. So when a DA makes a high-profile media blitz about busting some teenager for "hacking", then drops all charges for lack of evidence b4 going to court: (1) the public accepts the charade as a "good thing"; (2) the DA gets brownie points for the next election; (3) the teenager in question gets fucked via RICO laws that were intended to nail Capone too many years ago to be relavent 2day. The "system", on the other hand, is that in most major communities 2day there ARE people with both biz/academic/journalistic/legal positions who DO use computers profusely and RECOGNIZE what kinda bullshit has been going on. Case in point: a small firm here got trounced by a large competitor and the latter used electronic means to steal lots-o vital material - but the local cops wouldn't do squat because they didn't even understand the technology behind the crime and admitted they weren't qualified to persue the case.. However, if the "suspect" had been some alledged "hacker" I can guarantee those same fucking cops would have had hir in cuffs within minutes. That's reality in the US in '93. So EFF and related groups locally have proved to be a vital rallying point for people like me to meet people like Ed Cavazos or Steve Jackson or Jon Lebkowsky who all have a stake in building community for people online & offline (law, biz, journalism for those folx mentioned). And together we can organize to do things, like visit the FBI and offer our services as computer pros who could help sort out the real electronic criminals (white collar corp doodz) from the poor saps getting frame by overzealous DA's. If you wanna see the "system" in action, drop by Austin or Houston or get in touch with NTE in New York.. Better yet, read "Hacker Crackdown" by Bruce Sterling. He's been drinking cops under the table and pummeling them with this kind of wisdom and the WEIRD thing is that cops and Feds are *starting* to listen to Sterling.. pxn. ______________________________ Subject: VIRTUAL QUESTION #1 Date: Fri, 15 Jan 93 12:03:46 EST From: Michael J. Gourlay }"VIRTUAL CULTURE QUESTION # 1: Recount, in as much or as little detail as you }will, how you personally became involved in networking in general and INTERNET }in particluar (how and when did you hear of it, why did you finally decide to }plunge in, etc...). How has your use of the Net changed (or not changed) your }ways of living and thinking? What are your hopes and fears about the Net in }general?" I first found the net accidentally. I was rummaging through other people's directories when I ran across an executable called 'forum' which I ran. Immediately I was thrown into a CB simulator (like IRC), which I had been in before, on much smaller networks. I thought that the CB simulator was for Georgia Tech people only, though, so I didn't think it was that big of a deal. I eventually did the command that gets a list of other people, and their mail addresses were places like MIT, or UKY (Kentucky). At first I thought that they were playing a prank because faking addresses is simple. Eventually I realized that they were actually from outside of campus, and rapidly thereafter I became familiar with the Internet through net.news and email. This event happened only shortly after I found out about the campus computing facilities. The Net changed my way of life in that I use my knowledge of it to provide me with an income, and I spend most of my time at work dealing directly or indirectly with Internet services. Hopes and fears? I hope that the next generation of operating systems will make the network more transparent. That is, right now, you must explicitly tell the computer to communicate over the net, depending on what you need to do. For example, using FTP or telnet to access different systems. In the future, it should be the case that this happens more automatically. I hope that internet use will be more available to computer illiterate folks. I hope that multimedia conferencing will become more prevalent. I fear that the internet will not be recognized as the tremendous resource that it is, and that funding for it will diminish, making it cost _me_ more money to use it. Ironically, I also want to see defense spending cuts. Actually I want to see the defense budget renamed to the research budget. I also fear that the next generation of computers will create a tremendous privacy and security hole, making it even more difficult to isolate from prying eyes certain documents. In that case, unconnected personal computers will be necessary, but much less useful. -- Michael J. Gourlay mike@penguin.gatech.edu "That's me; I've been ionized...." - Buckaroo Banzai 35431 Georgia Tech Station H:(404) 873-4782 W:(404) 894-9734 Georgia Institute of Technology, School of Physics, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 ______________________________ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 93 11:49:50 -0800 From: Dave Ross Subject: Talk by Yours Truly I will be giving a talk entitled "Seven Paths to Immortality" at the H.L. Mencken Forum in Los Angeles on January 20. The Mencken Forum is a supper club and costs, I believe, about four dollars. This talk is the same one I gave at the 1992 Eris conference in Aspen last August and which a few of you have seen on video tape. For more information and to make a reservation, call 310-285-9321. You will get an answering machine. Please leave a number where you can get a call back for directions to the supper club. -dave ross davros@erg.sri.com ______________________________ Date: 15 Jan 1993 13:53:33 -0600 (CST) From: Scotto >Isn't there a slight disanvatage chosing such a ship to hold a >off-shore colony? Price? I mean, a used battle ship might be sold for >$1, but I don't expect cruise ships to be the same... Could very well be the case. I wonder if a battle ship being sold for a dollar would have restrictions as to who could purchase it. It was my thought that cruise ships might be more easily adaptable, and much more comfortable. But since I haven't time to just do the research, I suppose I should shut up... ______________________________ Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1993 16:05:01 -0500 (EST) From: K_MACARTHUR@UNHH.UNH.EDU (Korac MacArthur) Subject: irc client Hello, I was wondering if anyone knows a good irc host address to connect to. My account here at UNH used to be connected to an IRC host down at MIT but it doesn't seem to work lately. Any close to northeast bosywash metroplex? Thanks. Korac ______________________________ From: Steven J. Subject: IRC clients Date: Fri, 15 Jan 93 15:22:39 CST Try using fairhope.andrew.cmu.edu for a client if MIT is being buggy. Steve J. 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