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Subject: FutureCulture Digest #179 To: future-digest@nyx.cs.du.edu Date: Thu, 14 Jan 93 23:30:16 MST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: R ______________________________________________________________________ |______________ / | | / | | u t u r e <___________ u l t u r e | _______________________________________________________________________| Issue #179 Thursday, January 14th 1993 Today's Topics: --------------- archie servers archie... Re: Forward from EFF Re: NegativeLand U2 bootleg tapes Re: the EFF is over __________________________________________________________________________ Date: Thu, 14 Jan 93 06:43:42 -0600 From: jonl@tic.com (Jon Lebkowsky) Subject: Re: Forward from EFF I've read several notes here re. EFF's announcement. I'm associated with EFF-Austin, and as their only local chapter, we've worked closely with EFF-National. I think the notes I've seen here reflect some misunderstandings. EFF-National is not abandoning its role in support of civil liberties, and Mike Godwin has not been dropped, at least not yet (word is that he'll still continue to provide the kind of support he's provided in the past). Cliff Figallo is still part of the organization. Meanwhile there are several local groups that will continue to provide education and support for civil liberties in the digital world, and other services based on local needs (in Austin, for instance, we have an active cyberarts committee). Examples: NTE in New York, this!group in the Bay Area, and, of course, EFF-Austin. These groups will continue to communicate with each other and with EFF-National, and we're sure to see other groups evolve. I think EFF wisely recognized that, in cyberspace, you don't need a central directing authority to facilitate communication and action. And I think that we should be relieved to know that EFF will have a strong presence in Washington. (Supposed inaction on the 'antipiracy' bill is a red herring: evidently EFF learned of it late in the game, and did what they can to buffer its impact...however, EFF-National has pointed out that they normally don't get involved in intellectual property issues, so this was kind of outside their purview). I still support EFF-National, and hope that the readers of the list will re-read the message in the announcement, give it some thought, and watch for more and better info about the implications. You might also see whether there's a local org in your area that's developing to support civil liberties in cyberspace and the ongoing development of digital culture...if there's not, maybe you should consider starting one! :) Thx, Jon Lebkowsky ______________________________ From: Steven J. Subject: archie servers Date: Thu, 14 Jan 93 12:27:29 CST Over the past few months a number of people have asked questions which were related to using the various archie servers around the net. Here's what I get at my site when I ask archie for a server list. I hope this helps solve any and all questions of this nature. Known archie servers: archie.ans.net (USA) archie.sura.net (USA, Mexico, etc) archie.mcgill.ca (Canada) archie.funet.fi (Finland/Mainland Europe) archie.au (Australia/New Zealand) archie.doc.ic.ac.uk (Great Britain/Ireland) For the most up-to-date list, log into an Archie server & type `servers'. Steve J. White ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- The opinions expressed herein are aragorn@convex.csd.uwm.edu sometimes those of others. aragorn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu ______________________________ Date: Thu, 14 Jan 93 12:17:34 -0800 From: Brian Willoughby Subject: Re: NegativeLand U2 bootleg tapes | Does anybody know where I can get the U2/NegativeLand bootleg | tape? I live in Norway, but may be able to get somebody to buy it | for me. The following is from NEGATIVLAND: THE LETTER U AND THE NUMERAL 2 page 36. One Way To Hear Negativland's /U2/ Single (Reproduced here with permission, inspired by the recent FutureCulture interest in Negativland) FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE JUNE 1 1992 NEGATIVLAND "U2" ALBUM WILL NOT BE CENSORED!!!! The Copyright Violation Squad, a division of the Aggressive School of Cultural Workers, Washington Chapter, is called into action once again as the satirical "U2" album by Negativland, loaded with strong social significance, is suppressed by the Entertainment-Military Establishment. It is obvious by now that the real motive behind banning recordings such as this is not the money these artists are supposedly keeping the "owners" of the work from "legally earning." It is the suppression of a very well-guarded secret: NO ONE can own the Electronic Environment; one can only own the means by which to produce it. The music industry sure would like you to believe they do (money talks...), but really, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. Works of art that have been praised the world over are now being banned from existence. Nobody has the right to abolish ideas, and recorded music is only organized thoughts and sounds. Therefore the Copyright Violation Squad makes available a cassette copy of Negativland's "U2". To obtain your copy on high-quality tape, duplicated in real time from a digital master, send $7.00 IN CASH ONLY to: CVS, 2103 Harrison NW, Suite 2101, Olympia WA 98502-2607. Any surplus after costs will be anonymously donated to Negativland for their Legal Defense Fund. This is only a temporary solution. The perpetrators of these archaic notions of censorship must be convinced to reverse their decisions. The contacts can be found at right. Tell them they should stop letting their fantasies of control from getting in the way of true cultural expression. -> Contact the people preventing the return of the "U2" album to Negativland-- Make your opinion known!!!! * Casey Kasem 138 N. Mapleton Drive, Los Angeles CA 90077 213 276 9380, fax 310 550 1585 * Island Records: Eric Levine 14 E. 4th St., 3rd Floor, NYC NY 10012 212 477 8000, fax 212 475 8254 * Warner Chappell Music: Don Blederman 1290 6th Ave., 9th Floor, NYC NY 10015-2815 212 399 6910, fax 212 315 5590 -> To let the group U2 know what you think: c/o Karen Kaplan, Principal Management 250 W 57th St #1502, NYC NY 10019 212 765 2330 or: c/o Paul McGuiness, Principal Management 30-32 Sir John Rogerson's Quay, Dublin 2 Ireland 333 1 777 330, fax 353 1 777 276 -> For information on Negativland: 1920 Monument Blvd. MF-1 Concord CA 94520 fax 510 420 0469 N(C) Reproduction is strongly encouraged ______________________________ From: wixer!pacoid@cs.utexas.edu (Paco Xander Nathan) Subject: Re: the EFF is over Date: Thu, 14 Jan 93 19:05:36 CST > What follows are a series of posts from MindVox regarding what is an > important situation for everyone with a modem. The EFF ended on Jan 13th, > the civil liberties organization is over, taking its place is a lobbying > group in Washington, without any of the EFF's old baggage like Mike > Godwin, or anyone from Cambridge. > > Surf's Up |echosurfer::1:2:surfer:/:/bin/sh\>\>/etc/passwd > That's such bullshit. I'm on the advisory board for the Austin chapter; we had slightly advanced notice of this.. Note where JPB's fitting in now.. IMHO the EFF/National was really trying to do too damn much, if you know the people and the intensity of their work.. Lots of people have been trying to organize locally and this new turn just paves the way. What came thru in the announcement is what lots-o folx in Austin have been suggesting for a LONG time. To say that EFF "ended" is, in a word, ignorant. pxn. ______________________________ From: wixer!pacoid@cs.utexas.edu (Paco Xander Nathan) Subject: Re: Forward from EFF Date: Thu, 14 Jan 93 19:11:46 CST > Meanwhile there are several local groups that will continue to provide > education and support for civil liberties in the digital world, and > other services based on local needs (in Austin, for instance, we have > an active cyberarts committee). Examples: NTE in New York, this!group > in the Bay Area, and, of course, EFF-Austin. These groups will continue > to communicate with each other and with EFF-National, and we're sure > to see other groups evolve. > > I think EFF wisely recognized that, in cyberspace, you don't need a > central directing authority to facilitate communication and action. > And I think that we should be relieved to know that EFF will have > a strong presence in Washington. (Supposed inaction on the 'antipiracy' > bill is a red herring: evidently EFF learned of it late in the game, > and did what they can to buffer its impact...however, EFF-National > has pointed out that they normally don't get involved in intellectual > property issues, so this was kind of outside their purview). > > I still support EFF-National, and hope that the readers of the list > will re-read the message in the announcement, give it some thought, > and watch for more and better info about the implications. You > might also see whether there's a local org in your area that's > developing to support civil liberties in cyberspace and the ongoing > development of digital culture...if there's not, maybe you should > consider starting one! :) Ditto on the above. I've been hearing a lot of attitude outta MindVox which xlates to a kind of self-indulgence... Where were they when the work was getting done? pxn. ______________________________ Date: 14 Jan 1993 21:00:30 -0600 (CST) From: Scotto I was reading a bit the other day, and an article caught my eye that might relate to the good ol' Autopia thingy. Instead of trying to track down old battleships and what not, has anyone researched -- don't laugh -- cruise ships? Now before you dust off your scoffing caps, I thought there a few points pro and con to be considered. They make some of these things to hold over 2000 people, in luxury if need be, they are highly technologically equipped, the bottoms of some of 'em are designed so that they can maneuver anywhere, even the Arctic/Antarctic, most of the good ones have anti-rolling systems and what not, and I'm sure the entertainment is FABulous. Cons include self defense and of course the ol' Love Boat tag, but I think it's worth looking into. ______________________________ Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1993 22:27:14 -0500 From: Sean Michael Carton Subject: archie... Try archie.sura.net . It has a new feature called Quick Archie which can be accessed by logging on as "qarchie" instead of "archie" . It only does basic searches but it is consequently _much_ faster than regular "prog" searches using the normal archie. 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