From - Wed Jan 14 11:42:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.UU.NET by mrco.carleton.ca (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA22611; Wed, 13 Jan 93 01:35:49 EST Received: from nyx.cs.du.edu by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA24063; Wed, 13 Jan 93 01:29:43 -0500 Received: by nyx.cs.du.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14372; Tue, 12 Jan 93 23:30:13 MST From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (andy) Message-Id: <9301130630.AA14372@nyx.cs.du.edu> X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of Denver. The University has neither control over nor responsibility for the opinions or correct identity of users. Subject: FutureCulture Digest #177 To: future-digest@nyx.cs.du.edu Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 23:30:11 MST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: RO ______________________________________________________________________ |______________ / | | / | | u t u r e <___________ u l t u r e | _______________________________________________________________________| Issue #177 Tuesday, January 12th 1993 Today's Topics: --------------- negativland SST info Acidwarp again Ardic and Mutlu's "parents?" Is there a future DIGEST ? NegativeLand U2 bootleg tapes re: acidwarp re: acidwarp Re: Last nite's "48 Hours" re: mind-candies Re: TextureSynth for mac Re: Wired Magazine Addr??? Re: Wired Magazine Addr??? TextureSynth for mac Turing Test __________________________________________________________________________ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 10:57:48 +0100 From: tor@geomatic.no (Tor Langballe) Subject: NegativeLand U2 bootleg tapes Does anybody know where I can get the U2/NegativeLand bootleg tape? I live in Norway, but may be able to get somebody to buy it for me. Thanks, Tor ______________________________ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 02:23:25 PST From: Michael Ney Subject: Re: Wired Magazine Addr??? ...and today i dropped into WIRED's publishing office. ...had a great chat with one of their editors (Hi Kevin!) ...subscribed for the next year, and picked up a couple of copies of this absolutely excellent first issue. Feature Cover Article: Bruce Sterling - Has seen the future of war Other articles include: * Scream of Consciousness - Paglia interviewed by Stewart Brand * Beyond The Valley of the Morphs * Cellular Phreaks and Code Dudes - John Markoff * Libraries Without Walls for Books Without Pages ... and oh so much more - all great stuff, superbly illustrated. >>>>>>> SUBSCRIBE NOW - $20 US for first year <<<<<<<< To: PO Box 191826, San Francisco CA 94119-1826 ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ Michael Ney -> EMAIL: visionary@peg.apc.org Visionary Media -> USA: vrxaus@igc.apc.org PO Box 566, Milsons Point NSW 2061 Australia -> VOICE: (+61-2) 692-8168 ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ >> In cyberspace your voice is a visible declaration of life! << ______________________________ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 16:14:17 CET From: timbo Subject: negativland SST info hello.... im looking for some more info on the negativland SST debacle, i hjave this article from strick, the negativland xmas newsletter and various other stuff, but i wouldnt mind a little more information if possible... i will collate spindle and mutilate some digested version to the lists as well as the article i wanna write for the local zine. also some little stories about good/bad service whatever with regards to SST would be appreciated, there's a lotta young punkos here that need a little education....even some old dickwads like me who need it more... cheers tim ______________________________ From: asale@sfu.ca Subject: Ardic and Mutlu's "parents?" Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 8:42:16 PST Hey, I'm on the cybernetics mailing list (mostly boring, but you never know what might turn up) and around the time the posts about Serdar Argic and Mutlu were on FutureCult (you know, the ai's that post to Usenett in vast quantities) I got this announcement: -- CALL FOR PAPERS 2nd Turkish Symposium on Artificial Intelligence and Artificial Neural Networks Bogazici University Istanbul, Turkey June 24-25, 1993 Supported by : Bogazici University, Istanbul; Bilkent University, Ankara; IEEE Computer Society Turkiye Section; Middle East Technical University, Ankara; TUBITAK, The Scientific and Technical Research Council of Turkey. Scope Commonsense Reasoning, Knowledge Representation, Learning, Natural Language Processing, Control and Planning, Expert Systems, Theorem Proving, Intelligent Databases, Signal Processing, Speech Processing, Vision and Image Processing, Pattern Recognition, Robotics, Programming Languages, Simulation Environments, Theoretical Foundations, Hardware Implementations, Industrial Applications, Social, Legal, and Ethical Aspects, [stuff about paper submissions deleted] Not trying to insinuate anything, just makes you think... AND doesn't the idea of Turkish ai's being developed in a place like Bogazici U sound an awful lot like Gibson? Made me think again about how easy it is in the information age for a place to become a major player in global economics or politics regardless of its geographical location. Sorry, I'm just rambling, now. P.S. All this talk about acidwarp behooves me to mention TextureSynth, which runs on a colour mac, and is pretty nifty, IMHO. Sorry, no ftp site known. Hey, maybe I should u/l it somewhere! +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Sebastian Hassinger, misanthropic humanist for hire, c/o asale@sfu.ca | | Society is viscous, the individual is solvent, and creativity is bankrupt. | | "Someday I want to be a writer, but right now IUm just a wronger." | | dis: don't worry, I don't undertand it either, and I WROTE THE STUFF. | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ______________________________ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 18:34:40 +0100 From: jota@tutor.inesc.pt (Joao Pedro Martins) Subject: Turing Test I haven't read the info in the last 2 digest's, so I am sorry if this is a duplication of data. On the Turing test: (quoted & translated w/o permission - study material for the Artificial Inteligence class, I.S.T., Lisboa, Portugal, 1992) "[...] In 1991 a modified version of the Turing Test became an annual competition (check reference bellow). This version consists in having 10 human judges interacting with 10 terminals. Of these, at least 2 are controled by humans and at least 2 controled by computers. Each terminal is associated with a subject about which the dialogue can be made (some of the topics in 1991 were Shakespeare's masterworks, female clothing, excentric/bizarre conversations, and dry martinis). Each of the judges spends about 15 minutes interacting with a terminal and after this he classifies it as either human or computer. After this interpretation, the terminal assignments are altered in an aleatory manner. If the average mark of the winning computer is bigger than the average classification of a human, the computer will pass the modern version of the TT. In 1991's competition, the computer with the subject 'Excentric conversation' had the best classification, having been confused with an human by 5 of the 10 judges." Reference: Epstein R., "The Quest fot the Thinking Computer", AI magazine 13, Nr 2, pages 80-95, 1992. This only shows that in a near future we'll possibily have computer programs able to pass the TT, if not in a complete manner, at least in specialized areas. Jo~ao aka ... uh... forget it ... "The Future Is Here !"  ______________________________ From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: re: acidwarp Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 12:31:55 EST Beyond the ultraworld of Steven J.: > > This is starting to sound like comp.ibm.pc.what.the.fuck. I tried Acidwarp > on a number of different systems, with varried CPU clock speeds. It's most > definitely the amount of RAM on the video and card and/or video BIOS, trust > me. It is the video bios. I made some test, and it seems that the code is not tidy enough if you reprogram the whole palette between retraces. I get the feeling that i have already said that... The cards that causes problems are old paradise or paradise chipsets. The amount of ram has nothing to do with it. Old trident could also be a problem (or trident chipset), and definitely old Oak (or chipset). Also, the CPU speed does make a difference: the bios as with any other code must be executed by the CPU. So, even on those cards with a slow bios code for palette reprogramming (the whole palette), you can have a good picture on 486-33 cpus, but a slight band on 386-33 and a huge band on 286. Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... ______________________________ From: Steven J. Subject: Re: Wired Magazine Addr??? Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 14:30:57 CST ______________________________ From: the! How many issues go out on a yearly basis to the subscribers? Steve J. White ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- The opinions expressed herein are aragorn@convex.csd.uwm.edu sometimes those of others. aragorn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu ______________________________ From: Steven J. Subject: re: mind-candies Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 14:33:41 CST ______________________________ From: the! uh huh ... please do ... find some ftp space for it somewhere Steve J. White ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- The opinions expressed herein are aragorn@convex.csd.uwm.edu sometimes those of others. aragorn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu ______________________________ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 14:32:17 PST From: Don Eliason Subject: Acidwarp again ______________________________ From: somewhere! I am giving this person the benefit of the doubt, but I suspect this post to Future Culture may have been just to check out their ability to disquise their identity as warp9@free.zone (at least that is how I received it). eliason@merlin.llnl.gov ______________________________ Date: 12 Jan 1993 17:40:18 -0500 From: "Hey, I'm walking here!" Subject: TextureSynth for mac ...From the cyberdeck of asale@sfu.ca..... ...--> ...-->P.S. All this talk about acidwarp behooves me to mention TextureSynth, which ...-->runs on a colour mac, and is pretty nifty, IMHO. Sorry, no ftp site known. ...-->Hey, maybe I should u/l it somewhere! ... ...uh huh ... please do ... find some ftp space for it somewhere ...Steve J. White You should see about slapping it up on SIMTEL20...that way it can be had from many places that mirror SIMTEL20....from wuarchive to garbo i think. Randy Wolf ikpr500@indyvax.iupui.edu ______________________________ From: "John Coryell." Subject: re: acidwarp Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 07:59:11 CST >From the cyberdeck of Christopher L. Tumber... >-> >->The flicker's caused by either A) Slow BIOS B) Slow CPU C) Both. >->When I switch off turbo, the flicker gets MUCH worse, overtaking >->3/4 of the screen. I suspect it's just that the machine can't keep >->up with the screen updates (probly has little to do with the >->video card...) > >This is starting to sound like comp.ibm.pc.what.the.fuck. I tried Acidwarp >on a number of different systems, with varried CPU clock speeds. It's most >definitely the amount of RAM on the video and card and/or video BIOS, trust >me. > >Steve J. White >----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >The opinions expressed herein are aragorn@convex.csd.uwm.edu >sometimes those of others. aragorn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu I've found it's definitely RAM limitations, sadly. John Coryell. ______________________________ Subject: Re: TextureSynth for mac Date: Wed, 13 Jan 93 13:58:09 +1100 From: Simon McClenahan > ...From the cyberdeck of asale@sfu.ca..... > ...--> > ...-->P.S. All this talk about acidwarp behooves me to mention TextureSynth, which > ...-->runs on a colour mac, and is pretty nifty, IMHO. Sorry, no ftp site known. > ...-->Hey, maybe I should u/l it somewhere! > ... > ...uh huh ... please do ... find some ftp space for it somewhere > ...Steve J. White > > You should see about slapping it up on SIMTEL20...that way it can be had > from many places that mirror SIMTEL20....from wuarchive to garbo i think. Or the standard Macintosh archive sites: sumex-aim and umich Or, you could always mail it to me, and I'll try and "slap it up". Please, ANY sort of demos for the Macintosh, let me know about!!!! cheers, Simon.McClenahan@mel.dit.csiro.au \_\_ CSIRO Supercomputing Support Group CSIRO Division of Information Technology _\_\_\_\_\_\_ tel: +61 3 282 2623 723 Swanston St, Carlton 3053 AUSTRALIA \_\_\_\_\_\_\_ fax: +61 3 282 2600 A man without religion is like a fish without a bicycle. ______________________________ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 93 14:00:33 DST From: Simon.McClenahan@mel.dit.csiro.au Subject: Is there a future DIGEST ? Hi, Is it possible to have digests sent to me from the future list, about once a day, rather than ending up with hundreds of messages in my mailbox because I forget to check it one day? Please email me (Cc:) as well as to the list. cheers, Simon.McClenahan@mel.dit.csiro.au \_\_ CSIRO Supercomputing Support Group CSIRO Division of Information Technology _\_\_\_\_\_\_ tel: +61 3 282 2623 723 Swanston St, Carlton 3053 AUSTRALIA \_\_\_\_\_\_\_ fax: +61 3 282 2600 Trust me, sucker. ______________________________ Subject: re: acidwarp From: morpheus Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 17:56:02 EST Steven J. writes: > From the cyberdeck of Christopher L. Tumber... > -> > ->I have a 512k SVGA (Realtek) card and get the same flicker... It's > ->probly the (slow?) BIOS. > > Actually, it's probably the lack of memory. Being SVGA would mean that it > should have a fairly recent video BIOS. Try running with 1 Mb. or more on > the card. Huh? Acidwarp is using standard VGA mode that only uses the first 256k of memory anyway... "Not enough memory" shouldn't cause flicker at all. morpheus@entropy.mcds.com ("morph") | A name changes toys into tools.. Obsolete deity for hire. Cheap. | - Skinny Puppy ______________________________ Subject: Re: Last nite's "48 Hours" From: morpheus Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 18:15:11 EST uunet!nyx.cs.du.edu!ahawks (6 pack and a shotgun) writes: [...] > Everyone I know, practically, has trails and many people can bring > themselves to hallucinate...It isn't that big of a hinderence once > you're used to it, and I honestly don't see how this guy could not > function cuz he's got trails and stuff..... [...] It's better than a game-boy! :) > I don't think we could've realistically asked for anything more from > 48 Hours... Wait until A Current Affair does something [else?] like this.. Different topic: Does anyone know where I could get a really small and as flat as possible DPDT switch? (lever, toggle, push, whatever, just needs to be small and flat) The obvious places don't have what I'm looking for. (I need something I can mount somewhere in the small empty space in the top of my RS part 43-141 tone dialer... :) Mail-order electronics places with free catalogs would be great.. (I was gonna post this in sci.electronics, but for various reasons I can't..) morpheus@entropy.mcds.com ("morph") | A name changes toys into tools.. Obsolete deity for hire. Cheap. | - Skinny Puppy _________________________________________________________________________ | | | That's all for today! | | To send a message to the list: future@nyx.cs.du.edu | | To subscribe/unsubscribe/change format: future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu | | All other requests: future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu | | List Maintainer is: (andy [aka hawkeye]) ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu | |_________________________________________________________________________| | | | The opinions expressed in FutureCulture are those of the individual | | author only. | |_________________________________________________________________________|