From - Wed Jan 14 11:42:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.UU.NET by mrco.carleton.ca (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA18903; Tue, 12 Jan 93 01:36:23 EST Received: from nyx.cs.du.edu by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA07286; Tue, 12 Jan 93 01:30:30 -0500 Received: by nyx.cs.du.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02113; Mon, 11 Jan 93 23:30:16 MST From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (andy) Message-Id: <9301120630.AA02113@nyx.cs.du.edu> X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of Denver. The University has neither control over nor responsibility for the opinions or correct identity of users. Subject: FutureCulture Digest #176 To: future-digest@nyx.cs.du.edu Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 23:30:15 MST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: RO ______________________________________________________________________ |______________ / | | / | | u t u r e <___________ u l t u r e | _______________________________________________________________________| Issue #176 Monday, January 11th 1993 Today's Topics: --------------- Acidwarp AUtopia: The Status of ftp://ftp.rahul.net/pub/atman/ G. Coulter? (Please read if you're he) re: acidwarp re: acidwarp re: acidwarp display bugs Re: Last nite's "48 Hours" Re: Last nite's "48 Hours" Re: Wired Magazine Addr??? Weekly FC Administrivia WIRED magazine __________________________________________________________________________ From: wixer!jagwire@cs.utexas.edu (Jagwire X) Subject: AUtopia: The Status of Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 13:46:23 CST Here's the status of AUtopia. I am currently working on a longer and more detailed 'FAQ'. I have been rather busy with the holidays and all, blah, blah, blah, . I have also been having trouble with the list-server on my end but I think it will be working properly in a few days. Look for a new AUtopia FAQ soon. ________________________ no because later jagwire@wixer.cactus.org ________________________ ______________________________ From: wixer!jagwire@cs.utexas.edu (Jagwire X) Subject: Re: Last nite's "48 Hours" Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 1:12:08 CST I thought the show sucked. Lot's of opinions with no real facts to base them upon. I liked the part about the research, but the rest of it was mostly inane. Course seeing a HUGE San Francisco Rave was cool. And Leary is always fun to watch. I have to wonder how many of the people featured actually have read any of the thousands of papers on the subject or even a good objective book. What really ticked me off was the DEA agent they interviewed: 'Ask the parents of a child who took LSD and ended up in the hospital, they'll say shoot the person'. I mean c'mon get real people. Take some responsability for you action. Those kids made they decision and if they want to be human should be prepared to live with consequences. Of course this brings up the whole problem with government control over the public, which I won't get into. ________________________ no because later jagwire@wixer.cactus.org ________________________ ______________________________ Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 00:37:29 PST From: Michael Ney Subject: Re: Wired Magazine Addr??? Hi Andy Michael Ney (from Australia) here. Is this magazine "Wired" the continuation of "Journal Wired"? Do you have any phone contacts for them? I'm in San Fran at present (in USA for another 3 weeks) and was wondering where you reside... any chance we can get together? I will be going to LA on the 13th for a week - then back to San Fran. You can email me at vrxaus@igc.apc.org Please do let me know. Cyberegards MN ______________________________ From: ahawks (6 pack and a shotgun) Subject: Re: Last nite's "48 Hours" Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 11:24:50 MST New fresh-scented *Jagwire X* (150% real fruit juices!) says: | | I thought the show sucked. Lot's of opinions with no real facts |to base them upon. I liked the part about the research, but the rest of |it was mostly inane. Course seeing a HUGE San Francisco Rave was cool. |And Leary is always fun to watch. Well, this has been the talk among my circle of friends the last couple daZe, and good to see it's all over the net as well, so I'll add my opinions.... Many here have known about this show for some time now, especially if you read Brian B's great SFRaves list....Genesis P-Orridge (of Throbbing Gristle, Psychic TV fame) reads the SFRaves list, and he supposedly let one of the segment producers/reporters read about raves and drugs via SFRaves...Then, Brian B was contacted by this lady, apparently, and I guess they wanted to interview him for the show, but he was never contacted again or something....Had they interviewed him, it would've been in place of that "it's a little piece of acid" raveguy... My feeling is they wouldn't go with Brian cuz they know he'd provide balanced information, and wouldn't "take them on a trip through the underbelly of the drug-crazed rave-world"... Anyway, as far as the rave stint of the show goes, I seriously take issue with the guesstimation that 70-80% of the people at the rave (was it FMR? I don't live in the bay Area so I dunno...) were using drugs... In my rave experiences, it is much lower, but, then again it is not really possible to compare the hugely-popular/many-faceted Bay Area scene with the one-or-two-raves-per-weekend scene here in Colorado... We have to keep in mind that raves are a NewThing. The aging public generally always fears NewThings kidz are into: rock'n'roll, hacking into NORAD to impress a girl at your school, raves..... Thus, the fear they seem to wish to instill in the public naturally arises out of their own ignorance of involvement with the rave scene...Expect this, of course, with futuretechs like ISDN and Virtual Reality... I thought the LSD reporting was very balanced....OF course, we can not expect them to say "yeah, acid's great, some more people should get into it"...LSD is illegal, and there are valid reasons, IMHO, for its being illegal - it is dangerous, if used by the wrong people at the wrong place and time..... I respected he fact that they tried to at least dispell some myths, like the chromosomal damage myth....I respect the fact that they tried to point out some loopholes in the laws regarding possession/selling... I deeply admire the fact that they had the courage to put on one of those early experimenters who gave LSD credit for saving his life...My story is similar to his, though substitute an undieing depression for alcohol abuse...I admire the fact that they went to Albert Hofmann...His LSD: MPC, is of course the essential "must-read-before-tripping" and I consider him a balanced, fairly unbiased, in-tune-with-reality scientist....I mean, they could've gone to John Lilly, which would've had all of Iowa up in arms about the resurgance of acid since it turns you into "one a dem freaks".... I was, of course, glad to see Leary on there, and at the time I was thinking "good for them - it would've been so easy to interview someone along the lines of Art Linketter's perspective in this segment"... ("The Beatles ruined everything" - best quote of the late 20th century, by Leary).....However, in that segment I actually would've liked to 've heard more from Hofmann..... | I have to wonder how many of the people featured actually have |read any of the thousands of papers on the subject or even a good |objective book. The unfortunate kid/DeadHead who got 10 years, I think, had some definite knowledge of LSD beyond ubran legend...The guy who tripped 500 times (they made this sound like a big deal - 500 times - but when it comes to LSD, people who've tripped only once have tripped 500 times... And take a visit down to any adolescent unit of any psych hospital these days - they're all filled with kids, 15-18, who've tripped in the vacinity of 100-500 times), the 500-time tripper, I couldn't believe him....I mean, he's got trails and visuals every so often..My question for him is: AREN'T YOU USED TO IT BY NOW?!?! Everyone I know, practically, has trails and many people can bring themselves to hallucinate...It isn't that big of a hinderence once you're used to it, and I honestly don't see how this guy could not function cuz he's got trails and stuff.....And the raveguy at the beginning, he seemed to want to give off the impression that "what you do is your own business", but of course it came out looking like he was pretty much an airhead....He should've been more informed - ultimately he should've been Brian Behlendorf.... | What really ticked me off was the DEA agent they interviewed: |'Ask the parents of a child who took LSD and ended up in the hospital, |they'll say shoot the person'. I mean c'mon get real people. Take some |responsability for you action. Those kids made they decision and if |they want to be human should be prepared to live with consequences. Right, exactly. They were making it sound, in the latter part of the show, as if LSD is this highly addictive substance that eventualy will cause a permanent psychosis in anyone who uses it. That comes from fear and ignorance, of course. LSD is not physically addictive. A very very tiny percentage of people who use LSD do not recover from the temporary psychosis it induces. | Of course this brings up the whole problem with government |control over the public, which I won't get into. Overall, I found the should to be fairly balanced, considering my preconceived notions of such shows, which only serve to instigate fear, whether it be drugs, raves, or hackers, or whatever.... I don't think we could've realistically asked for anything more from 48 Hours... |________________________ |no because later |jagwire@wixer.cactus.org |________________________ | -- ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu FutureCulture: In/f0rmation ahawks@mindvox.phantom.com future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu ______________________________ Subject: ftp://ftp.rahul.net/pub/atman/ Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 17:18:00 PST From: henry strickland # # The ftp site for acidwarp is ftp.rahul.net, in /pub/atman/mind-candy. # # I've tried to connect there several times. It always just hangs. Anyone # else had any luck? I got in with no problem this afternoon. The path is a little different than above. Some intersting stuff here. Here's a deep of /pub/atman, which I trimmed down with vi. Notice it looks like backs of futureCulture are there, too. striiick strick@osc.versant.com ===== {BEGIN ftp://ftp.rahul.net/pub/atman/ total 2 UTLCD-preview incoming UTLCD-preview: total 10 assorted-text fli-players future-culture jessee-flis mind-candy unarjers xdz-reviews UTLCD-preview/assorted-text: total 6 agrippa.arj UTLCD-preview/fli-players: total 253 aaplay.lzh descript.ion flit100.lha svgaplay.zip waaplay.zip zaps_xflick.tar.Z zaps_xflick.txt UTLCD-preview/future-culture: total 1004 README altcpfq1.arj altcpfq2.arj descript.ion fc043.arj fc044.arj fc049.arj fc056.arj fc061.arj fc065.arj fc066.arj fc067.arj fc068.arj fc069.arj fc070.arj fc071.arj fc080.arj fc081.arj fc082.arj fc083.arj fc084.arj fc086.arj fc088.arj fc089.arj fc091.arj fc092.arj fc093.arj fc094.arj fc095.arj fc096.arj fc097.arj fc098.arj fc099.arj fc100.arj fc101.arj fc102.arj fc103.arj fc104.arj fc105.arj fc106.arj fc107.arj fc108.arj fc109.arj fc110.arj fc111.arj fc112.arj fc113.arj fc114.arj fc115.arj fc116.arj fc117.arj fc118.arj fc119.arj fc120.arj fc121.arj fc124.arj fc125.arj fc126.arj fc129.arj fc130.arj fc131.arj fc132.arj fc133.arj fc134.arj fc135.arj fc136.arj fc137.arj fc138.arj fc139.arj fc140.arj fc141.arj fc142.arj fc143.arj fc144.arj fc145.arj fc146.arj fc147.arj fc148.arj fc149.arj fc150.arj fc151.arj fc152.arj fc153.arj fc154.arj fc155.arj fc157.arj fc158.arj fc159.arj fc160.arj fc161.arj fc162.arj fc164.arj fc165.arj fc166.arj fc167.arj fc168.arj fc169.arj fc170.arj fc171.arj fc172.arj fcfaq1.arj fcfaq2.arj fcfaq3a.arj fcfaq3b.arj fcfaq3c.arj UTLCD-preview/jessee-flis: total 158 killer.arj rambo.arj UTLCD-preview/mind-candy: total 106 00-index.txt acidwarp.zip maelstrm.arj vgaart.zip UTLCD-preview/unarjers: total 105 INDEX unarj0-5.lha unarj230.tar.Z unarjcpt.hqx UTLCD-preview/xdz-reviews: total 95 crackage index.xdz xdz01.arj xdz02.arj xdz03.arj xdz04.arj xdz05.arj xdz06.arj xdz07.arj xdz08.arj xdz09.arj xdz10.arj xdz11.arj xdz12.arj xdz13.arj xdz14.arj xdz15.arj xdz16.arj xdz17.arj xdz18.arj xdz19.arj xdz20.arj UTLCD-preview/xdz-reviews/crackage unreadable incoming: total 0 ===== END} ftp://ftp.rahul.net/pub/atman/ ______________________________ From: Steven J. Subject: Re: Last nite's "48 Hours" Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 22:16:20 CST ______________________________ From: the! Oh, come on, why not? I think it'd be a good topic for discussion, but we'd probably end up needing a separate mailing-list for it. Steve J. White ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- The opinions expressed herein are aragorn@convex.csd.uwm.edu sometimes those of others. aragorn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu ______________________________ Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 02:27:02 PST From: Michael Ney Subject: Re: Wired Magazine Addr??? Tonite, it was my immense pleasure to see W I R E D Excellent articles - cybertech mostly. I think they are doing an introductory sub offer $20 US 1 year. 544 Second St San Fran 94107 Tel. 415-904-0664 ______________________________ Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 05:47:12 -0800 From: salsbury@netcom.com (The Butterfly) Subject: ftp://ftp.rahul.net/pub/atman/ I wanted to get to their opening party, but my car was dead. :-{ Some people at Mondo were telling me to talk to some of the people there about designer/techy/future/annimation/VR/graphic-design/etc. -type stuff and see if there were any job openings for a recent college grad/designer/...see-above. :) Any info or requests for my resume will be GREATLY appreciated! :) Pat ______________________________Think For Yourself_______________________________ Patrick G. Salsbury 1800 Market Street #23, San Francisco, CA 94102 Voice: 415/703-7177 ______________________________ Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 05:49:56 -0800 From: salsbury@netcom.com (The Butterfly) Subject: WIRED magazine Duh! Put the wrong subject header on that. Sorry.! Context should be apparent, though. Appologies for any confusion. Pat ______________________________Think For Yourself_______________________________ Patrick G. Salsbury 1800 Market Street #23, San Francisco, CA 94102 Voice: 415/703-7177 ______________________________ Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 05:57:51 -0800 From: salsbury@netcom.com (The Butterfly) Subject: ftp://ftp.rahul.net/pub/atman/ Must be just me. I STILL get hung there. Maybe it's the Netcom connection? Seems to be working fine for everyone else in the world! Must not like me! :) Someone sent me the original file in question, already, but I'd like to check out what else is available. Pat ______________________________Think For Yourself_______________________________ Patrick G. Salsbury 1800 Market Street #23, San Francisco, CA 94102 Voice: 415/703-7177 ______________________________ Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 06:01:27 -0800 From: salsbury@netcom.com (The Butterfly) Subject: Acidwarp Got it. Cool! :) Thanks for your help, everyone! :) Pat ______________________________Think For Yourself_______________________________ Patrick G. Salsbury 1800 Market Street #23, San Francisco, CA 94102 Voice: 415/703-7177 ______________________________ Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 07:31:03 -0800 From: salsbury@netcom.com (The Butterfly) Subject: G. Coulter? (Please read if you're he) Got a bounce. Please resend your address.... Pat ______________________________Think For Yourself_______________________________ Patrick G. 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Here are some suggestions: computer underground cyberculture cyberpunk (literary and cultural movements) cyberspace new edge nootropics or other drugs raves technoculture virtual reality music, movies, books, magazines that fit into the mold _____________________________________________________________________________ ______________________________ Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 09:51:27 PST From: Don Eliason Subject: Acidwarp Acidwarp is great. However, when running acidwarp on my PC, there is a problem on the upper 20 percent or so of the VGA monitor (it looks like a tracking problem does on a VCR). I have tried the s option, but that did not solve the problem. Have any you FutureCulture acidwarpers had this problem, and if so have you found a solution? Donald Eliason eliason@merlin.llnl.gov ______________________________ From: Steven J. Subject: re: acidwarp display bugs Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 12:05:45 CST ______________________________ From: the! This problem expresses itself on video cards which have a) limited memory and/or b) the wrong BIOS set. I don't know which BIOS sets work the best but I've run acidwarp on a number of machines on campus and I get better results on the VGA/SVGA cards with the larger memories. Steve J. White ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- The opinions expressed herein are aragorn@convex.csd.uwm.edu sometimes those of others. aragorn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu ______________________________ Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 13:33:03 -0500 From: ah185@yfn.ysu.edu (Christopher L. Tumber) Subject: re: acidwarp Steven J. says... > This problem expresses itself on video cards which have a) lim > and/or b) the wrong BIOS set. I don't know which BIOS sets wo I have a 512k SVGA (Realtek) card and get the same flicker... It's probly the (slow?) BIOS. ______________________________ Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:26:43 -0500 From: ah185@yfn.ysu.edu (Christopher L. Tumber) Subject: Acidwarp The flicker's caused by either A) Slow BIOS B) Slow CPU C) Both. When I switch off turbo, the flicker gets MUCH worse, overtaking 3/4 of the screen. I suspect it's just that the machine can't keep up with the screen updates (probly has little to do with the video card...) ______________________________ From: Steven J. Subject: re: acidwarp Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 22:54:53 CST ______________________________ From: the! Actually, it's probably the lack of memory. Being SVGA would mean that it should have a fairly recent video BIOS. Try running with 1 Mb. or more on the card. Steve J. White ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- The opinions expressed herein are aragorn@convex.csd.uwm.edu sometimes those of others. aragorn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu ______________________________ From: Steven J. Subject: re: acidwarp Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 22:58:22 CST ______________________________ From: the! This is starting to sound like comp.ibm.pc.what.the.fuck. I tried Acidwarp on a number of different systems, with varried CPU clock speeds. It's most definitely the amount of RAM on the video and card and/or video BIOS, trust me. Steve J. 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