From - Wed Jan 14 11:41:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.UU.NET by mrco.carleton.ca (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA15605; Sat, 9 Jan 93 01:38:51 EST Received: from nyx.cs.du.edu by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA21272; Sat, 9 Jan 93 01:31:11 -0500 Received: by nyx.cs.du.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12103; Fri, 8 Jan 93 23:30:20 MST From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (andy) Message-Id: <9301090630.AA12103@nyx.cs.du.edu> X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of Denver. The University has neither control over nor responsibility for the opinions or correct identity of users. Subject: FutureCulture Digest #175 To: future-digest@nyx.cs.du.edu Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 23:30:19 MST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 41326 X-Lines: 1050 ______________________________________________________________________ |______________ / | | / | | u t u r e <___________ u l t u r e | _______________________________________________________________________| Issue #175 Friday, January 8th 1993 Today's Topics: --------------- AUtopia autopia autopia? BigTime Oops FAQ things... hmm!! Morphogenic Fields morphogenic fields Morphogenic fields... Ha! Negativland/FU2 etc... new cDc files for January re Grafting body parts Re: re Grafting body parts re: AUtopia v3.0 requests re: autopia? Re: cDc Re: FAQ things... Some more (old?) stuff on the Negativland/U2 thing... The existence of "god@no.really" The message from God WAX or the discovery of television among the bees Wired Magazine Addr??? [surfpunk-0025] NOIZIK: SST RECORDS SUES NEGATIVLAND FOR REVENGE __________________________________________________________________________ From: "Trond Buland" Date: 8 Jan 93 08:47:33 GMT-0100 Subject: AUtopia Me to!!! I would like to know more about AUtopia! I've tried to get through to the adress given in Future FAQ, but my system don't seem to handle that adress.... "unknown host" or some such silly message... could anyone help me?? TB ______________________________ Date: 8 Jan 93 08:12:00 CST From: "Wheeler, Kevin" Subject: new cDc files for January _ _ ((___)) [ x x ] cDc communications \ / Global Domination Update - shortform (' ') #10 - January 1, 1993 (U) New gNu NEW gnU new GnU nEW gNu neW gnu nEw releases for January, 1993: _________________________________/Text Files\_________________________________ 201: "One Wrong Move" by The Deth Vegetable. We start '93 off right with this strong cDc debut from Deth Veggie. An artist with a shotgun? You KNOW it's gonna be rad. 202: "Monster Jennifer, or Celibacy Can Kill You" by Omega. Another '93 cDc debut by Omega, sysop of Moody Loners With Handguns BBS and author of a tech article published in the November, '92 issue of MONDO 2000. Let's sing! "Jennifer, hey, it's Jennifer... she's got a penis, hey wow, she's really beautiful and kinda crazy... HEY! IT'S JENNIFER!" 203: "The Briefing" by Reid Fleming. Yet ANOTHER cDc debut, this one a gripping tale of political intrigue and space aliens. "Mr. President, you're NOT on Candid Camera." 204: "Life in General" by Video Vindicator. Mr. Fraud himself takes keyboard in hand to deliver a heaping batch of opinions for you to ponder. He disses lame females! He disses lame cars! This file's got it all! 205: "That Which Strikes Terror Into the Hearts of Men" by Lady Carolin. A creepy old house, a dorky womanizer, and a mad grrrl with a chainsaw boogie down! Wooh! It's the battle of the sexes! ACTION! ZOW!! 206: "The Power of Art" by THE NIGHTSTALKER. It's the crazed man with feces on his mind, mailing lumps of his bowel's best work to the President's lovely daughter. How touching! Never let it be said that cDc lacks tender-hearted affection! We're all very fuzzy and warm. 207: "F23" by Obscure Images. Ominous cyberpunk innuendo stuff with mind-control and Catholic confessions. You know it's REAL cyberpunk 'cause it was a t-file FIRST. 208: "A Visit to the Slaughterhouse" by Transderm-Nitro. Hey hey - let's go on a pleasant little jaunt down to the slaughterhouse and kill us some cows! Yeehaw. It's educational - Mr. Nitro breaks it on down for YOU. Dead cows, it's a subject EVERYONE's interested in. 209: "Helmet Interview: July 17, 1992" by G.A. Ellsworth. Transcription of G.A. interviewing Page Hamilton, singer and bandleader of Helmet. 210: "My Shit, and How to Strangle It" by Tequila Willy. He's wacky and he's got intestinal worms! Read all about it! All files are available NOW from ftp.eff.org in pub/cud/cdc. ______________________________ Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:16:47 +0100 From: cardell@lysator.liu.se Subject: The message from God I don't know who you are, but a good guess is that you've got an account at GNU. Look at this: Received: from god.abovce3e.you (mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu) by nyx.cs.du.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01374; Fri, 8 Jan 93 05:57:41 MST So I guess you were logged into the machine mole at gnu at this time. If I had an account or some root would like to check things out for me, I could tell what login name you might have. mikael cardell S P U N K P R E S S ______________________________ Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:19:30 +0100 From: cardell@lysator.liu.se Subject: re: autopia? Hmm. As far as I know, the only one called Mikael on this list, with that spelling, is myself and I don't have much of a Autopia FAQ. Jagwire X might be of more help, I believe. Jag, are you there? mikael cardell S P U N K P R E S S ______________________________ Date: 08 Jan 1993 09:25:09 CT From: "TRWOLLIN" Subject: Morphogenic Fields Yanek, Morphogenic fields is a theory (I believe by Rupert Sheldrake) postulating the existence of a field that guides the growth and development of organisms. A similar concept is "L-fields" It is thought that a field like this may guide the rapid regeneration of salamander tails or starfish limbs, for example. Another example is the famous Kirilian photograph showing an energy field still present where a portion of a leaf is missing. The "phantom limb" phenomenom may also be related to this idea. terry ______________________________ From: Steven J. Subject: re: AUtopia v3.0 requests Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 11:18:37 CST Here's the basic info on Autopia which a number of FC subscribers requested recently. Since I didn't save their addressed I didn't think anyone would mind a list post; not a lot of traffic lately, anyway. Enjoy... - steve ___________________________________________________________________________ ______________________________ From: the! Steve J. White ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- The opinions expressed herein are aragorn@convex.csd.uwm.edu sometimes those of others. aragorn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu ______________________________ Date: 08 Jan 1993 12:36:28 -0400 (EDT) From: "Member, Info-holics Anonymous" Subject: hmm!! It seems that I got a message from : god@no.really I guess that means that he wants my atheist butt! *TREMBLE* NOT!!! Very neat, tho. How is it done??? ______________________________ From: Andrew S Hall Subject: Morphogenic fields... Ha! Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 12:42:21 EST Before you start wondering if morphogenic fields would have an effect on limb grafting, perhaps you should make sure that they really exist. Ditto for Kirilian photography. (Don't mis-interpret this. I am not a dagmatic disbeliever, but the burden of proof is on Sheldrake et al and they haven't done it.) Andrew Hall ______________________________ From: gcrisp@st6000.sct.edu (Gregory Crisp) Subject: re Grafting body parts Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 13:38:54 EST On the non-relation between genetics and personality: What about personality similarities between parents and offspring. Am I the only one that has noticed that (usually until an offspring does something significant to shift their destiny in direction other than their parent's) children tend to do the samt things and make the same mistakes in life as their parents. It seems that too often children have the same or similar personalities as their parents. Of course, all this is simply theory based on personal observation. Comments? G Crisp (CaseLogiC) ______________________________ Date: 08 Jan 1993 13:11:13 CT From: "TRWOLLIN" Subject: morphogenic fields Andy, Excellent point. However, in the present scientific paradigm, which seems to have neither the concepts nor the instrumentation to deal with non-electromagnetic fields, what would constitute proof? ______________________________ Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:18:43 -0500 From: ah185@yfn.ysu.edu (Christopher L. Tumber) Subject: FAQ things... Barlow's Being In Nothingness is in /public/virtual-worlds/faq/papers at milton.u.washington.edu (The FAQ says /public/virtual-worlds/papers) But, more importantly, can somebody give me an FTP site for Acidwarp since it is no longer at ecst.csuchico.edu, and Archie can't find it? Thanks (Or, if ya wanna mail it to me, that would be cool!) ______________________________ Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 11:36:34 PST From: Don Eliason Subject: Re: FAQ things... Christopher L. Tumber asked: > But, more importantly, can somebody give me an FTP site for Acidwarp > since it is no longer at ecst.csuchico.edu, and Archie can't find it? > > Thanks > > (Or, if ya wanna mail it to me, that would be cool!) > The ftp site for acidwarp is ftp.rahul.net, in /pub/atman/mind-candy. It is stored as acidwarp.zip, so you will need an unzip program. I used pkunzip from the good folks at pkware. You can find it in a self-extracting file called pkz110eu.exe on ftp site oak.oakland.edu in /pub/msdos/zip. When pkz110eu.exe explodes, it produces pkunzip.exe and a bunch of other stuff, most notably the documentation (manual.doc). Enjoy, Donald Eliason eliason@merlin.llnl.gov ______________________________ Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 12:28:07 PST From: mark@ganymede.apple.com (Mark Baldwin) Subject: Re: re Grafting body parts > > On the non-relation between genetics and personality: > > What about personality similarities between parents and offspring. Am I > the only one that has noticed that (usually until an offspring does > something significant to shift their destiny in direction other than > their parent's) children tend to do the samt things and make the same > mistakes in life as their parents. It seems that too often children have > the same or similar personalities as their parents. Of course, all > this is simply theory based on personal observation. > > Comments? > > G Crisp (CaseLogiC) children also live with their parents for 18-25 years on the average, in the same house, abiding by the same rules (or breaking them :), and eventually, no matter how hard you try to resist it, at some point you usually start to believe at least a little of what your parents try to teach you. -mark. ______________________________ Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 12:58:10 -0800 From: salsbury@netcom.com (The Butterfly) Subject: FAQ things... - The ftp site for acidwarp is ftp.rahul.net, in /pub/atman/mind-candy. - Donald Eliason - eliason@merlin.llnl.gov I've tried to connect there several times. It always just hangs. Anyone else had any luck? Pat ______________________________Think For Yourself_______________________________ Patrick G. Salsbury 1800 Market Street #23, San Francisco, CA 94102 Voice: 415/703-7177 ______________________________ Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:27:05 -0700 (MST) From: David Tolmie Subject: Re: FAQ things... On Fri, 8 Jan 1993, The Butterfly wrote: > - The ftp site for acidwarp is ftp.rahul.net, in /pub/atman/mind-candy. > - Donald Eliason > - eliason@merlin.llnl.gov > I've tried to connect there several times. It always just hangs. Anyone > else had any luck? > > Pat > I just tried and had great luck. Though, it's in /pub/atman/UTLCD-preview/mind-candy. BFD, right? Anyway, worked fine for me. I can uuencode it and mail it, if necessary. Dave ______________________________ Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 17:11:09 -0500 From: rv@cs.brown.edu (rodrigo vanegas) Subject: The existence of "god@no.really" >From god@no.really Fri Jan 8 08:07:52 1993 >Return-Path: >Received: from relay1.UU.NET by cs.brown.edu (5.64+/Doorknob-1.6) id AA16870; Fri, 8 Jan 93 08:07:52 -0500 >Received: from nyx.cs.du.edu by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA07352; Fri, 8 Jan 93 07:58:32 -0500 >Received: from god.abovce3^H^H^He.you (mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu) by nyx.cs.du.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01374; Fri, 8 Jan 93 05:57:41 MST >Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 05:56:06 MST >From: god@no.really >Message-Id: <9301081257.AA01374@nyx.cs.du.edu> >X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of Denver. The University has neither control over nor responsibility for the opinions or correct identity of users. >Apparently-To: >Status: R > >It's just a test, So, who ami i?^H^H^H^H^H I^H^Hm i?^H^HI? > Well, this post is somehow related to the machine mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu, which i believe belongs to RMS (author of GNU emacs and gcc). I hesitate to blame, of course -- anyone can "telnet 25" there. He's not God, but some say he comes close to being a diety of some sort. :-) rodrigo vanegas rv@cs.brown.edu ______________________________ From: ahawks (the future is now.....) Subject: BigTime Oops Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 16:44:34 MST I'd just like to apologize for the bounced mail, mailer errors, and other garbage that's been getting through to the realtime and digest list, lately.... This week and next I've got finals, so, that bit of filtering that has to be done manually isn't getting done since I've been staying off the net for awhile.... I hope people had sense enough to delete the shit right away, rather than go through it all and waste time/money.... And if anybody lost their email privelages over the matter of 670k digests, then let me know and I'll do my best to help you get the account back... PS- I posted that this occurance would probably happen, and I sent that message out to digest subscribers on Monday or Tuesday, so, I'm assuming you all read that message.... There seems to be some sort of problem with the realtime list having bounced copies of the FAQ....Seems odd to me, but, again, I apologize to realtime subscribers if that's the case, and I'll see what can be done about it.... -- ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu FutureCulture: In/f0rmation ahawks@mindvox.phantom.com future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu ______________________________ Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 21:00 CST From: P30TMR8%NIU.bitnet@UICVM.UIC.EDU Subject: autopia? What is autopia? just curious, Mike Roberts ______________________________ Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:28:15 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Moss Subject: autopia What is autopia? just curious, Mike Roberts Possible responses: 1) Detroit 2) peaking in a Buick 3) or just getting to a utopic state all by yourself, single-handedly... in jest... amoss sugarlumps ______________________________ From: mike@highlite.gotham.COM (Mike Wiik) Subject: Wired Magazine Addr??? Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 18:08:55 EST Anyone have an address for the as-yet-unpublished "Wired" magazine? A friend wishes to submit some articles.... Thanks, -Mike | o==== . : ... : : . |Mail Me Neat Stuff->POB 3703 Arlington VA 22203 --@-- . o o o ... O -O- o o : |No disclaimers needed: I actually pay for this. | ... : : |----------------------------------------------- mEssAGE fRoM sPAcE ARt stUdiOs | mike@highlite.gotham.com ______________________________ From: ahawks (the future is now.....) Subject: Re: cDc Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 18:12:02 MST New fresh-scented *Paul Leonard* (150% real fruit juices!) says: | |Bullshit if read by a moron with no sense of humor and coolness, Mikael. |cDc has never claimed to be a hack/phreak group, and the majority of our |files are not about the subject. Our subject matter is whatever happens |to be interesting to us when it is writte, be these short-stories, band |interviews, poetry, ranting & raving. The cDc files are definitely worth checking out, though I must say that even before I had read any cDc stuff, I too was under the impression it was just another p/h e-rag.....I think this comes from the fact that you alwaze find cDc's right next to Phrack's in JoeBoB's eLiTe BBS (usually SuperTac volume 1-5 or 20-25, depending on the emphasis of the system =)..... |If you're interested in reading |files from one of the only creative non-tech groups on the net, then read |our stuff. Some people like to read fiction to break up the tedium of |programming aWl th3 gnU3zzt telephone switches. This is true, though today there's of course a seemingly infinite potential of e-zines/philes....People are getting too tired of privaely-inconsistently-published zines, thus they take their iDeaz to the net and do a e-zine, and, next of course, comes the mailing list....Don't be surprised if small e-publishing e-lists replace the ridiculously selfish number of eLiTe grewpz circa 1984... |Kill yourself, Too late, I just did. |obscure images/cDc communications | |---------------------------------------------------------------------- |If there is nothing on the inside, and nothing on the outside. Look |inbetween. |-------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu FutureCulture: In/f0rmation ahawks@mindvox.phantom.com future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu ______________________________ Subject: WAX or the discovery of television among the bees Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 19:37:25 PST From: henry strickland First ... my report on the film WAX. Then NEGATIVLAND'S CHRISTMAS NEWSLETTER 1992, which might be old news, but they're mixed together. strick strick@osc.versant.com ############################################## Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain From: cocot@osc.versant.com (gur fhcreabezny rznvy fbpvrgl) To: surfpunk@osc.versant.com (SURFPUNK Technical Journal) Subject: [surfpunk-0025] NOIZIK: SST RECORDS SUES NEGATIVLAND FOR REVENGE Keywords: surfpunk, Negativland, SST, Island, WAX | The planet had vanished, | leaving its weather behind. | -- WAX |____________________________________ Last night MonaQ and I saw the movie ``WAX or the Discovery of Television among the Bees'' in san francisco. [It was blurbed in surfpunk-0024.] I'm going to try the word "steampunk" on it; it's got a lot of that old-world feeling in it. The movie is a collage of video glued together by our hiro's deadpan narration. Lots of the images are early twentieth century, and a lot of the technology stuff is like sixties. It's really creative and really different from any other VR fiction I've seen/read. Our hiro lives in his own virtual reality, not based on our 90's idea of virtual reality, but rather on his job writing primitive flight simulator animation for NASA in what looks like the 60's, and the fact that he wears a beekeepers outfit everywhere he goes. Instead of datagloves and goggles, it's the beekeeper screen around his head and bulky white bee beekeeper clothing and the otherworldish narration that gives him the aura of not being in the same reality as the viewers. The relationship between him and the bees reminds me of the fascination between Lovecraft's hiros and Lovecraft's gods -- he keeps disassembling his beehive and just watching the bees, in a kind of meditative, sacremental procedure. The bees seem to speak directly to his brain via something called "bee television" that he frequently sees, but that I've only seen during real long weekend latenite hacking sessions .... If you like wierd things, really wierd things, seek this film out. If you don't like wierd things because you don't get them, don't bother. NOW FOR NEGATIVLAND: Last month's news, as far as I've heard. Thanks to Chris Milam for these fragments. Several of us surfpunkers saw them in Athens last in November, and at that point, Mark Hosler seemed to think things were going pretty well, and that if Casey Kasem would give in, they'd be back in operation. Well, things change quickly for Negativland. I've reordered this material to move newer stuff to the top. Older stuff follows. Some of the commentary may be broken by this move. --strick ________________________________________________________________________ Here is the newsletter: NEGATIVLAND'S CHRISTMAS NEWSLETTER 1992 *************************************************** SST RECORDS SUES NEGATIVLAND FOR REVENGE; GROUP HALSTS SALES OF ITS MAGAZINE/CD THE LETTER U AND THE NUMERAL 2. LOSES INCOME, PLANS DEFENSE WELL, here we go again! As another Christmas rolls around, Negativland seats itself, pen in hand, to compose our yearly Christmas Newsletter. A lot has happened since last Christmas in our little family of appropriators. Last September, feeling we had an intersting story to tell about how something as simple as an officeful of angry unmusical businesspeople armed with too much money and some out-of-date copyright notions had propelled us through a horrible nightmare of lawsuits, lawyers, liars, and loss, we released a 96-page magazine with CD entitiled 'The Letter U And The Numeral 2' that documented the entire Negativland/SST/U2/Island Records episode. The magazine simply presented the lawsuit, court orders, faxes, public statements and press releases from all the parties,letters,etc. in chronological order, with no commentary from us, so that the reader could examine the facts and make up his or her own mind as to what it all "meant". Apparantly Greg Ginn, owner of SST Records, thinks otherwise. On November 10th, 2 months after the release of the magazine, he brought a 5-count lawsuit against us which essentialy seeks to punish us for going public with the dirty laundry. Yes, we have been sued. Yes, again. And now it appears that the real nightmare may only be just beginning. If you're not actually a member of Negativland, or if you've never been sued yourself - you might find some aspects of the lawsuit to be quite hilarious: *We're being sued to stop us from selling a magazine about how we were sued. *We're being sued by SST for copyright infringement because we printed their press releases (!) *We're being sued by SST's corporate rock lawyer for printing a picture of SST's "Corporate Rock STILL Sucks" sticker. *We're being sued for printing their lawyer's letter saying that they want to sue us. Funny Stuff. But the grim fact is that Greg's actions are destroying any opportunity we might have had to get back on our feet financially (we're trying to self-release all our own stuff now) and could easily prevent us from releasing any other new work for the next two years! Negativland is what we do, and this magazine was our first new release back on our own Seeland Records label. We now know that we could have sold many, many more than the original limited edition of the magazine; it seems far more people are interested in our story than we initially expected. This new case could easily drag on for two years or more, and although we think we'll win in the end, we can't safely make and sell more copies of 'The Letter U And The Numeral 2' until the court decides on SST's copyright claims. Greg Ginn is already keeping our royalties to pay himself back for the U2 costs, and he knows we can't afford to sue him to get him to agree to our 50-50 split offer rather keep back the 100% he so autocratically demands. This case is going to cost Greg Ginn a lot more money than he has any reasonable hope of recovering from us in any reasonable time frame (you can bet his lawyer isn't working for free). SO WHY IS HE SUING US? Well, it seems that his main reason is...revenge. SST grosses millions of dollars a year- you can look it up in their credit report printed in our magazine (he's suing over that too- of course- despite the fact that it's readily available public information that SST themselves provided), so he can certainly afford towaste the dozens, perhaps hundreds of thousands of dollars that it'll cost to take this case to trial. We can't. He seems quite happy to behave towards us in the same way as Island Records did to him and us, using his economic might to crush the small and the weak. A copy of the lawsuit is enclosed so you can see it all for yourself. (It's a public document, so he can't sue us for that.) You'll notice some other stuff in there about 'breach of contract';that's all about how they still claim that we owe them every dime they had to spend over the Island suit (despite: gaping holes in their contract; our denials to their claims that we promised to pay; all the money they made by selling the record; our providing the GUNS record to replace the U2 record; our flat-out inability to pay; and SST's own decision to put the record out knowing there might be problems), and about how they think we owe them master tapes for two new releases that we cancelled when they tried to stick us with the whole U2 damage (despite: our attempts to repay the advances; the fact that their lawyer said they might not even be interested in releasing the records; and the fact that the tapes aren't even finished yet). SST is basically punishing us because we've resisted being abused. If any of this behavior disgusts yo as much as it does us, we would urge you to: *SPREAD THE WORD about what SST's doing to us to all your friends, radio stations, record stores, bands, writers, and the whole alternative musical community. This mailing is only going out to about 600 people, and we want EVERYBODY to know what's happening (copy this mailing if you want, or post it to a computer network). *Have everybody CONTACT GREG GINN, SST Records proprietor, and let him know how all of this makes you feel about him and SST, and maybe even ask him to explain to you just what the hell he thinks he's doing. (fax 310-430-7286, tel 310-430-7687, 10500 Ilumbolt Street, Los Alamitos CA, 90720) *If you've seen the magazine, you know that we stand a very good chance of getting our U2 single back if we can only change the mind of Casey Kasem. Now that the magazine has been stopped, we no longer have a way to tell the world that Casey has been interviewed on radio framing Island's action against us as censorship, and saying that although he's personally embarassed by our record, he's for free speech and doesn't approve of what happened to us; on the other hand, the last word we have from Island Records is that they'd actually be willing to return the record to us, except that Casey Kasem has told them privately that if they do, he'll sue them (see letter and interview, attached). Casey's lawyers have also threatened us similarily. If you want to help us out, please CONTACT CASEY KASEM with a good letter or fax and ask him to explain his contradictory position, but mainly to withdraw his opposition to the return of our record to us (not to SST). Casey Kasem c/0 Westwood One Radio Network, 8968 Washington Blvd., Culver City CA. 90230, fax 310-840-4051, tel 310-840-4000. *Are there any folks in the LOS ANGELES AREA willing to offer a few couches and square feet of floor space for us to spend the night on the days when we'll have to appear in court? *Any LEGAL FOLKS out there with services to offer , or interesting ideas on how to proceed? *ANy WRITERS out there? Please, write about this! *BE CREATIVE! - think up something helpful (but not illegal...) and do it! And, as always, feel free to contact us with anything you want to ask us or say to us: fax 415-420-0469, 1920 Monument Blvd. Concord CA, 94520. Well, we suppose we should close with a tearful "Happy Holidays," or a heartfelt "Merry Christmas," but instead, since you may have heard of our feeling that Christianity is Stupid, and since the "holiday," established by the church/state, was arbitrarily located in the calendar year to coincide with the well-established pagan/astrological holidays coinciding with the winter solstace, while the actual 'birth' date of the extraterrestrially- operated operative know as Christ was probably sometime in the early fall, let's just say: "Til Next Year..." We'll try to keep the world updated as the situation progresses. Anything you choose to do to help, participate, or contribute will be greatly apprectiated. LOVE, "Negativland" signature here "Copyright Infringement Is Your Best Entertainment Value" seal here. ps...SST is also frivolously and maliciously suing the Meat Puppets. For more info on that, contact their manager, Jamie Kitman, at 914-359-4520, fax 914-359-4739 (He's being sued too. Are you surprised?) SPECIAL THANKS to our legal and financial helpers across the country, and particularly to everyone who came out to see us on tour in the northeastern half of the country last month. (end of Negativland's Christmas Newsletter) I never did get the enclosed copy of the lawsuit nor the Kasem letter and interview, so obviously I can't reprint them here. Bombs Away for now patient Zer0 ________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Some more (old?) stuff on the Negativland/U2 thing... This is a long thing, and some of it is garbled, but it is interesting. I can't believe how far this has gone. It seems money destroys peoples sense of humor. Neg-land is getting a very big and unjustified shaft just for making a joke. --------------------------------CUT HERE------------------------------------- Hi all... I pulled this off the net a while ago... it's some more info on the Negativland/U2 controversy. Please don't let this turn into a flame war over who was right and who was wrong... just take it for what it's worth. Later... Steve Article: 19820 >From: zerobeat@intacc.uucp (Ferenc Szabo) Subject: Negativland/FU2 etc... Date: 29 Dec 92 01:05:35 GMT Organization: Inter/Access' Matrix BBS ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Toronto, Ontario, Canada__________ First, a reprint of an article that appeared in NOW magazine in late November '92. (NOW is a local weekly entertainment magazine with a circulation of over 90,000)........... STUPID REVENGE U2 TEAR UP: In light of Island Records' sledgehammering Negativland for its satirical treatment of U2 and local sound artist John Oswald's bitter legal experience for copyright infringment on his Plunderphonic projects, a local entity called STUPIDLAND wants to protest the bullying of experimental and small independent artists by corporate empires. Stupidland is inviting anyone to massacre, fold, spindle and mutilate a U2 song and submit it for a compilation tape that will be distributed and sold for the cost/trade of a blank cassette. This project is strictly not-for- profit and bootlegging will be strongly encouraged. Stupidland wants to emphasize that this is NOT a tribute compilation, and that "recording quality and production values are not as important as the level of disrespect you show for the songs." Stupidland hopes to have all submissions by mid-December for a release around Xmas. You can even call them at xxx-xxxx if you have no access to recording possibilities. They may even be able to record it for you. (end of article) The following week, Stupidland got a call from David akn(rsdn f the CMRRA -Cnda uia erdcinRgt gnyLmtd. Stupidland imdaeyptottefloigpesrlae U OPLTO QAHD Decembr19 Successfully intimidated by threats of legal complctosb MR Cnin Musical Repouto ihsAec iie,wihrpeet h ulses of U2's mui nCnd) h oot niyko nya SuPdad a halted plan orlaeF2 n"nitiue ui oplto htwst showcase mc oot aetcetvl rsigU og swl sIln and SST reod. U vnbaatybolge ato eailn' eet Toronto efrac hl uprigt eafr f"rbt"t h et coast expeietlgop Ngtvadhsbe usoe nat-oyih issues. STU PIDLANDsek: "Maybe there is *someone u hewligt ees hscmiain-bt under tecrusacs hn tsuws ostmsl pa atr Because ayo h umsin aebe eihflyma strc nature, I wol tn itecac fotiiglglpriso rmCRA to go through withti eodddcmn. tsasae-Imsil receiving nhssi aeilrpeetn iesyitcrneta spans raw punk apigmye,rn,idsra,rc,cni neve and sound olg. "I offered the public a chance to creatively express their opinions on the Negativland/Island/SST affair and on U2 in general, and the response has been tremendous - there's a real public distaste for this band, and it is interesting how many *former* fans have concluded that the band has totally sold-out. Island Records seems to have acted independently of U2 in pursuing action against Negativland, and refused to bend to pressure from U2 to lay-off. Regardless of how you feel about U2 and their part in this affair, note how ironic it is that the band itself obviously not longer owns or controls their own music. "It is also interesting how (former Black Flag guitarist) Greg Ginn's 'independant' label SST Records (whose slogan has always been "Corporate Rock Still Sucks") has behaved with corporate-style tactics towards Negativland by abandoning them when the legal shit hit the fan over the U2 single SST released, then subsequently threatening to sue Negativland themselves. "Maybe I should have named this compilation NOT FOR SALE. Although I stressed to CMRRA president David Basskin that the FU2 compilation was not intended to be sold (it was to be made available for the trade of a blank cassette and bootlegged at will), I was informed that "It wouldn't be pleasant" for me if this compilation hit the streets. One can only assume what this exactly means, but it sure sounds messy to me. "What amazes me is the complete inability to conceive of music that is not to be a commercial consumer item; music that is "not for sale." Stu Pidland is not going away until the outmoded rules are updated to acknowledge more complex issues of art and social commentary. Stu Pidland is not going away until the musician takes responsibility for and charge of their own music. Stupidland is definitely NOT FOR SALE...so don't even ask. "I feel truly sorry for the pathetic individual who has lost the ability to appreciate music for its simple spiritual pleasure, for its communicative power, or for the pure hell of it - the person who equates music with money or copyright has lost something that you and I at least temporarily still have (we are of course assuming he *ever* had it). What makes this all boring and political is that he is often in a position of authority, and imposes his system of limited understanding on those around him." To quote CMRRA literature on mechanical licensing, "Copyright is the basis of the music industry." Art, satire, social commentary, and music itself are not included in this bottom-line statement. Neither, deceptively, is *money*, which we all know to be the real bottom line. (end of press release) No, gentle reader, this is not the end! David Basskin read the preceding press release then subsequently threatened Stu Pidland with a libel suit. After several menacing phone calls from Basskin and his lawyer, Stu Pidland decided to put out another press release, of which the contents can (under Canadian law) be used to negate the libel suit: CLARIFICATION / RETRACTION to the press Stu Pidland, aka Gary Johnson, would like to apologize for any misunderstanding regarding the previous release entitled "FU2 SQUASHED" sent out last week. I in no way intended to single-out, defame or libel CMRRA president David Basskin or the Canadian Musical Reproduction Rights Agency Limited. Basskin, a lawyer and musician himself for some 30 years, *does* seem to have the interset of musicians and song-writers in mind; and upholds copyright and licensing as a protective measure for musicians large and small alike. My criticism of "those who equate music with money" was a general, not not specific comment, and merely my own biased opinion. I appreciated others' rights todisagree, and to express their differing viewpoints. Gee, do I ever feel STUPID! If nothing else, I have gained valuable information on copyright regulations that I urge every independant musician and song-writer to familiarize themself with before undergoing any recording project. Sincerely, on behalf of Stupidland, Gary Johnson Dec. 10, 1992 (end of press release) Stu Pidland/Gary/Roscoe sent Negativland the 'FU2 SQUASHED' press release and this is what they had to say back: SEELAND RECORDS Dec. 9, 1992 To: "Roscoe" (Gary Johnson) Omigod- I hardly know what to say. Yes. I do too: 1. Fax all that stuff to Paul McGuinness (manager) and to the members of U2! Make sure they know what's being done in their names! Also send clippings of any outraged articles that get written about this - they appear sensitive to press. In Dublin: 353-1-777-276, In NY: 212-765-2372 2. PLEASE, send us a copy of all your submissions - we'd LOVE to hear 'em! 3. Would you make a digital copy of your DAT of us at Toronto and send it to us at this address? 4. It's shocking how you were treated by the guy - see the attached Christmas Newsletter for some similar news. I can't encourage you strongly enough to go out and learn where you stand legally, and not just cave in to the (obviously scary) intimidation this guy is aiming at you. I don't know how Canadian law works at all, but it seems to me that the entire Stupidland project is non commercial (nay, anti-commercial), its activities are even less illegal than somebody taping Achtung Baby for a friend. Has corporate control of the culture really reached the point where friends can be stopped from trading tapes of music they make? Stay in Touch!! Gregg (end of Seeland/Negativland fax) ________________________________________________________________________ [ older negativeland stuff deleted ] ________________________________________________________________________ The SURFPUNK Technical Journal is a dangerous multinational hacker zine originating near BARRNET in the fashionable western arm of the northern California matrix. Quantum Californians appear in one of two states, spin surf or spin punk. Undetected, we are both, or might be neither. ________________________________________________________________________ Send postings to , subscription requests to . MIME encouraged. Xanalogical archive access soon. 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