From - Wed Jan 14 17:26:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: from relay2.UU.NET by mrco.carleton.ca (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA07715; Sat, 27 Feb 93 01:40:10 EST Received: from nyx.cs.du.edu by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA02605; Sat, 27 Feb 93 01:35:34 -0500 Received: by nyx.cs.du.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17352; Fri, 26 Feb 93 23:30:32 MST From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (andy) Message-Id: <9302270630.AA17352@nyx.cs.du.edu> X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of Denver. The University has neither control over nor responsibility for the opinions or correct identity of users. Subject: FutureCulture Digest #262 To: future-digest@nyx.cs.du.edu Date: Fri, 26 Feb 93 23:30:31 MST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-Length: 10408 X-Lines: 279 X-Mozilla-Status: 8001 ______________________________________________________________________ |______________ / | | / | | u t u r e <___________ u l t u r e | _______________________________________________________________________| Issue #262 Friday, February 26th 1993 Today's Topics: --------------- conspiracies couple thangs Freenet Expansion Freenet Expansion (fwd) Future of the net ILF (information liberation front...) Ok, I was expecting thia Re: Usenet greppers Re: your mail Usenet greppers __________________________________________________________________________ From: jcoryell@nwu.edu (John Coryell.) Subject: Freenet Expansion (fwd) Date: 26 Feb 1993 16:57:56 CST From: bj368@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike E. Romano) Newsgroups: news.future Subject: Freenet Expansion Date: 20 Feb 1993 10:40:50 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 33 Message-ID: <1m51riINN3en@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu Since I am a grateful user of a freenet system, Cleveland Freenet, I am curious about something. I know that a number of other cities are trying to get a freenet system going such as Santa Barbara, Chicago, Buffalo, etc. but it is very expensive. Now it occurs to me, as Cleveland Freenet has expanded it has added more phone lines which have a certain cost per line. Additionally it may have to had some extra memory or other hardware to accomodate more users (I understand up to 10,000 logins per day and maximum of 250 users on line at a given time). So why not, in another city, just set up a number of local phone lines to that city which would cost x $ per line, and also send enough $ to the central system, in Cleveland, to allow for such an expansion? Wouldn't this be far cheaper than a city setting up its own Freenet? And why hasn't it been done yet? I notice the only two recent Freenets to come on line are both in Canada, Ottawa and Victoria. Are Canadians taking the lead in teledemocracy? -- Sir, I admit your gen'ral rule That every poet is a fool; But you yourself may serve to show it, That every fool is not a poet. A. Pope ______________________________ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 93 17:19:30 -0800 From: mirage@leland.stanford.edu (Dean Joseph Sanvitale) Subject: Ok, I was expecting thia I recently sent a request for honest to goodness proof of the existence of conspiracies in the modern world. I got some strange replies about Chaos,life on the edge, reading some damm incoherent newsgroup, and strange coments from Nowhere people about nowhere places where nowhere things occur. Maybe nowhere is a fine place but I dont have time to search for this non-existent state of mind. I want real somewhere stuff. So, on that note, anyone who has anything that has a location in time or space, send it along Maybe some grand puba of the Invisible College, out there, want to relate his/her/its/pub story to me. Just Maybe If I say that the Illuminatti are weenies will they come out then and I`ll get a glimpse of real conspiracies just before they exile me to the depths of Nowhere Musings from "Somewhere" mirage@leland.stanford.edu ______________________________ From: jesse@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (Jesse Davis) Subject: couple thangs Date: Fri, 26 Feb 93 20:33:32 EST Andy: I mentioned this to you once on IRC, but it was that crazy IRChaos that you ended up posting here by mistake (if i recall). Assume that everybody has their own mailing-list, that everything sent to me is bounced to a few friends and admirers :). Chances are it won't be long before EVERYBODY gets everybody else's mail...and not only that, but it gets recursive. All mail gets sent to you an infinite number of times. The net shuts down. Everybody with a connection is found blue-faced and dead in their homes. Only three weeks later do the police realize the pattern and discover that THEY JUST DROWNED IN INFORMATION. :) heh. just kidding. i know there'd be ways around that. but it's true that there's so damn much wandering its merry way into my box anyway. (first time thang for me -- the other day i got mail from someone, and I have *no idea who they are or why it ended up in my mailbox*. it wasn't leri, it wasn't leonardo, it wasn't fc...it just had 10 or 20 names in the cc line. what the hell?) (and my *real* reason for posting:) STE-E-E-E-VE!!!! DO SOMETHING ABOUT YOUR .SIG! PLE-E-E-E-A-A-SE!!!! AH CAIN'T TAKE IT NO MORE! I GIVE IN! MY FIRST-BORN CHILD IS YOURS! (just kidding. but it does keep overrunning my screen. this bastardized imitation of an imitation of a vt100 don't cope so well wid dat.) :) J. ______________________________ Subject: conspiracies Date: Fri, 26 Feb 93 21:21:36 EST From: Mitchell Porter surely the existence of conspiracies in abroad sense is not in doubt. a conspiracy exists whenever people hide their intentions, hoard information, etc. what your question appears to be about [althogh i havent seen the original yet!] is whether there is a conspiracy that secretly runs the world, and that is another ballgame entirely. ______________________________ Subject: Usenet greppers Date: Fri, 26 Feb 93 21:37:18 EST From: Mitchell Porter All you people looking to grep Usenet; why don't you ask how Kibo does it? ______________________________ Date: 26 Feb 1993 21:10:51 -0600 (CST) From: "free agent .rez" Subject: ILF (information liberation front...) }aragorn }From the cyberdeck of Dazed N. Confused... }-> BEFORE I SEE THIS ONE MORE TIME, someone please tell me }->which god decided on it. Information, free, wants? Does }->information have a soul with which to be free? }I don't think that anyone who has been using the phrase 'information wants }to be free' has at all been inferring that information has a soul or mind of }its own. ... Information in and of itself has no }intrinsic value, ... ...and a *single* neuron is not conscious, and a *single* computer is not the net. the info model bears resemblance to memetics, and as such a resembler, it can be called a MODEL... calling it a metaphor is maybe not granting it enough credit, and calling it horse.shit is certainly flighty... .rez, the metaphorically precarious... -- * i am not an auto.reference * ______________________________ Subject: Re: your mail Date: Fri, 26 Feb 93 22:49:30 EST From: Mitchell Porter > anyone AT ALL who has any reason to beleive (tangible reason) that a\ > real conspiracy is happening right now?!? > > Respond coherently please well the only conspiracies i know about _ffor sure_ are the ones that i am involved in, of course.. ______________________________ Subject: Future of the net Date: Fri, 26 Feb 93 23:55:54 EST From: Mitchell Porter andy has ideas for restructuring the infrastructure of the net, or something like that.. i thought this was the main point of his bury usenet post, but no one else seems to be following up on it... i for one am very interested however, at what the net can become, and what it _should_ become in order to maximize everyone's personal utility... last weekend i was involved in a rather complex net-mediated event which had me jumping around between three or four different internet accounts as well as irc.. reading mailing lists, referring to news.. and i had some sort of vision of the internet as a single integrated thing.. to some extent, now, i see the 'fundamental level' of the internet as being all those packets of information flying around, like a hurricane in a library.. and that individual accounts, with individual passwords, etc, are somewhat artificial barriers which obscure the potential unity and coherence of the net. usenet is the net's bigest single public message area, but to most of us it seems _incoherent_ in the technical sense that overall, "globally", it just seems to be a chaotic anarchy.. but i wonder what would happen - and under what conditions! - it might obtain more coherence.. this would happen if the net, via usenet, actually did even more _together_. eg what if corporations or governments were "run" from usenet, or had their own newsgroups or something, i dont know.. and on the other hand, i am interested in what andy in particular would like to see as the ideal details of his niche in the net.. as obviously different people want different forms of access to different degrees.. but i suspect that i at least would want something rather similar to what andy is after.. so onward.. ______________________________ Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1993 01:00:29 -0500 From: kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry) Subject: Re: Usenet greppers > All you people looking to grep Usenet; why don't you ask how Kibo does it? [1] have an account on the machine that stores the news spool files--don't use rrn, etc. [2] do: find /news/spool -name core -prune -o -type f -print | xargs agrep -i 'kibo' That's the basic version that simply searches all articles which currently exist at your site. You can add all sorts of bells and whistles, i.e. remembering which articles were already looked at last time you ran it, or stripping out references to skiboots or Newsgroups: lines, etc. -- K. _________________________________________________________________________ | | | That's all for today! | | To send a message to the list: future@nyx.cs.du.edu | | To subscribe/unsubscribe/change format: future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu | | All other requests: future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu | | List Maintainer is: (andy [aka hawkeye]) ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu | |_________________________________________________________________________| | | | The opinions expressed in FutureCulture are those of the individual | | author only. | |_________________________________________________________________________|