From - Wed Jan 14 17:10:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.UU.NET by mrco.carleton.ca (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA02592; Wed, 10 Feb 93 19:37:25 EST Received: from nyx.cs.du.edu by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA01349; Wed, 10 Feb 93 19:31:56 -0500 Received: by nyx.cs.du.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20687; Wed, 10 Feb 93 17:30:25 MST From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (andy) Message-Id: <9302110030.AA20687@nyx.cs.du.edu> X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of Denver. The University has neither control over nor responsibility for the opinions or correct identity of users. Subject: FutureCulture Digest #226 To: future-digest@nyx.cs.du.edu Date: Wed, 10 Feb 93 17:30:22 MST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] X-Mozilla-Status: 8001 ______________________________________________________________________ |______________ / | | / | | u t u r e <___________ u l t u r e | _______________________________________________________________________| Issue #226 Wednesday, February 10th 1993 Today's Topics: --------------- bubble morph und so weite HI CÂERKOP!!! IRC Stuph Loving nets... phone home white house Re: Bubble Morph Re: Cyberpunk Manifesto Fears Re: HI CÂERKOP!!! Re: Operation WeedEater (huh.) Re: URGENT REALTIME ASSISTANCE REQUIRED Re: your mail Re: your mail (high theory) re:something interesting... VCRPlus whole issues of PMC __________________________________________________________________________ From: ahawks (andy) Subject: Re: Operation WeedEater (huh.) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 93 11:29:24 MST free agent .rez, God of Memetic Resonance: [rez, how's that one for random sync] |then isn't the whole system corrupt at the core? | |ie, can our networking do any good? for me, the q is rhetorical... but it does |apply. | |.rez yeah i think the question is rhetorical too....it doesn't have much basis in how we act further than how we set our mindstyles, whih may or may not be related to how we act upon it, which is what we were talking about on IRC last night a bit, and which Comes True in something such as this...(remind me to start thinking about what I write, and to start using the '.' key to end sentences when I should =).... At any rate, I don't think we should ask ourselves what good can come from it, but rather what harm can come from it. Over the table harm can come in possible illegalities which may or may not result in jail, etc. Under the table harm may result in such things as harrassment, surveillance, a file being kept, etc. BUT that is why I saw we keep the results OVERGROUND as far and as wide as possible - so those who are acting have a cushion of information... It's kind of like umm, if you think you're going to be shot, then the best thing to do is become "famous" [i don't just mean in a pop culture sense here]....Because then you have the chance to let everyone know of your plight, and it has the potential of warding off the murderer the more widely known your plight is....If it doesn't ward off the murderer, at the very least, if you are murdered others will see the blatant wrong-doing and call for a more severe punishment of the murderer.... That's my analogy - if we are to do this then cushion ourselves with spreading information far and wide, and the Masses are more akin to sympathize, thus warding off the corruption which may or may not exist at the core.... -- andy ______________________________ From: StevenJ Subject: HI CÂERKOP!!! Date: Wed, 10 Feb 93 12:35:30 CST So, if Mr. (I use the title losely) Phrackr Trackr is listening/reading, go fuck yourself. ïu should do your very best to watch your back from now on. No matter how secure you think your BBS is someone will get in or use some of the tools you mentioned on you. Just some friendly advice. Steve J. White homoNuevo ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The goal of science is the destruction aragorn@convex.csd.uwm.edu of all mystery." - B.F. Skinner aragorn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu ______________________________ From: ahawks (andy) Subject: IRC Stuph Date: Wed, 10 Feb 93 11:40:48 MST Umm, whoever saw any IRC logs hereabouts last night, those weren't supposed to end up here, I don't think... ïu could probably tell that from the amount of control characters and overall messiness and stuff.... I myself have not looked at those logs, so I don't know what's in them, and i'm almost afraid to ask judging from private responses.... At any rate, umm, if anyone is interested in the net, philosophy, and irc, check out #circle..... -- andy ______________________________ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1993 12:42:07 +0600 (CST) From: So then what? Subject: Re: URGENT REALTIME ASSISTANCE REQUIRED On Wed, 10 Feb 1993, Mitchell Porter wrote: > Hey folx of FC... Andy & I have recently been thinking about a project > which involved logging various IRC discussions and perhaps selecting the > very best parts and putting them out as an e-zine, or something like > that... Anyhow, we now have 2 or 3 Megs of logs and nowhere to put them, > and we're both getting warning messages from our home systems.. So if you > are reading this message NOW and can offer even TEMPORAR storage of SOME > of this stuff, while we gegt our act together, please either email FC, or > andy or me, or even better, come join us on IRC #leri or #hugelog... no prob....send me what you want stored, I have unlimited quota on our system......so far. ;-) patrick p.s. that is if you want to send it. ;-) ______________________________ From: ahawks (andy) Subject: Re: your mail (high theory) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 93 12:12:23 MST McKenzie - the label you're searching for re: your high theory post is one coined by [ did he really mention that guy *again*???] Rucker called transreal... Take the now, look at it in fantastic waze.... Besides turning your tv 90o, here's some other transreal ways of viewing it, which I suggest you do, and not just for a couple hours - acouple months or so (excep where that can't possible apply): -make everything black and white if you have color, tv is not always as beautiful as an obsession ad, you'll find....quite ugly, in fact... i liken this approach to "tv on choline" (don't ask me why) -tint: green or purple people, etc. -watch it in a mirror, don't watch the actual set.....this especially seems to resonate with people who are really really focused on one side of their brain.... -watch it through a videocamera, tape it thru the camera, watch the tape -watch it on Windows if you can, play with the still-frames while satill watching the same show in the same scene....it all will seem so unbelievably repetative... -watch one channel, hide your remote, noever change the channel, and watch that one channel with the atittude that "ahh, this is what I was looking for" even if it's Home Shopping or Australian Soaps...=) -and, most importantly, join in on the innocent fun games of the hallucination generation: BIG BIRD....BIG BIRD...I AM GOING TO CALL ÏU NOW BUT ÏU NEED TO GIVE ME ÏUR PHONE NUMBER FIRST...ÏUR PHONE NUMBER... WHAT IS IT? NO I NEED ÏUR PHONE NUMBER NOT THE ADDRESS....ÏUR PHONE NUMBER....U SAID IT HAS THE LETTER Q...NO, DON'T GO AWA ÅT....ÏUR PHONE NUMBER... -friend on 400ug's.... most of the time it's not thsat, umm, "interactive" [^^^], butr you'll understand maybe how "Thirtysomething" relates to "The SAlad Shooter Infomercial" and what that has to do wih the war on Bosnia being reported on CNN.... I encourage everyone to play with your tv....don' bow to it, don't just stare at it like a statue, play with it, screw around.... This touches on the whole apathy involved wih TV in our culture - people are still saying to this day "tv destroys kids minds". How more pathetic can you get. First of all is the whinebitchy attitude that people don't have a say on what's on tv. BS! ïu are a citizen of the world, you have lots of say about what's on tv. Don't believe me? try this little experiment: get a gun. find an elementary school. kill as many people as possible. watch the evening news before you hit the electric chair. if that offends you and you're still looking for an example, find out about public access cable. And second of all, tv only has power over you if you let it. Ie, if you sit there watching tv eating cheetos, which I'm doing now, it's only because you're letting yourself be passive in that regards. Passivity in regards to tv can be destroyed quite easily by experimenting with it like I've mentioned. Aargh, I hate people who whine about television. I *love* it when people grok it in new lights like McKenzie here did, it deconstructs so many of he myths we have about technology in our daily lives. In analogy, if you are Catholic (I am) or find yourself in any church where tradition has the upmost regard, wait til everybody leaves (or maybe not, but this is self-experimentation) go up to the alter, and mess around. Eat a row-full of communion wafers, wave the incense all around, put the priest's bible under your shoe and surf around on the floor, hug the statue of Jesus on the cross, give Him a High-five, (watch out for the nail.) [the crowd gasps.] scary eh? now, take the anology back to how our ideas of tv are being shaped. hehe, scary eh? and people still think techno-paganism is just some worthless penny in the technoculture arcade. deconcstruct your idols, destroy them if they really scare you. -- andy ______________________________ From: ahawks (andy) Subject: Re: your mail Date: Wed, 10 Feb 93 12:14:12 MST Loveweasle, God of Memetic Resonance: | |On Wed, 10 Feb 1993, Kenneth McKenzie Wark wrote: | |[much insight deleted] |> farmer's life on the ranch has been replaced by the urban neigbourhood. |> ^^^^^^^^ ^^^^ ^^ ^^^ ^^^^^ |[even more deletions] | |lots of good stuff there and maybe I'm being too critical and even a bit |anal but farmers live on farms and ranchers live on ranches. But who knows |maybe that's a good idea for a show. naaah.. I don't think so. | |I'm sorry but I could not ignore this. mmmmmoooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOO. I'm sorry but I could not ignore this. =) -- andy ______________________________ From: ahawks (andy) Subject: Re: HI CÂERKOP!!! Date: Wed, 10 Feb 93 12:31:02 MST As part of the stuph I have posted regarding feds on the net, weeding them out, i think we need to find some decent place to start. [the following is US-oriented, sorry, but that's all I know about] I know for a fact that many of the country's state/local computer crime divisions have public, semi-public, and private BBSes set up. What better place to look and find out who's doing what. For example, the local computer-crime (rather computer-savvy, as I'm sure their focus extends beyond computer-crime itself, but rather computers and telecommunications as harnessing information) police BBS in my state is in a ciy called Lakewood. Their BBS is called simply enough "The Lakewood City Police" (or something non-descriptive like that) and the phone number is: 1.303.987.7388 I'm not sure if it is still up, but it was late ast year, and has been opreational for quite a few years now. PS- one of their fascist, un-informed representatives came to my school a couple years ago to speak about the horrors of computer crime to my (hehehe) "introduction to computers" class (ok, I know, but I needed an easy A to lessen my load, alright? =). He spoke about Operation Sundevil (this was a few months after te intial raids) and asked us if anyone knew about it. Needless to say, I kept my mouth shut, because I'm sure if I had mentioned words like Ripco, Phrack, LoD, [oh, btw, this guy called them "the Legion of DOOOOOOOOM" like they were going to take over the world, like the comic book or something] etc., I'm sure he would've asked me what I knew, and I also would've had to fess up o the teacher that I know a lot more about computers then i was letting on. So, hehe. At any rate, it was almost distasteful to see firsthand the vengance this guy openly displayed, not to mention the standard ignorance [all hackers are bad, right now some hacker is hacking TRW looking for your mom's credit card numbers, other mindless scareshit]. Apparently his area of expertise was "catching piraters" and I almost laughed out loud. Nowehere else is the "information wants to be free" slogan better represented than in media piracy. It's a war that those who struggle to win are going to lose, because they are fighting one of the basic forces that keeps society together - information exchange. -- andy ______________________________ From: Visceral Clamping Mechanism Subject: VCRPlus Date: Wed, 10 Feb 93 12:52:46 PST Someone wrote: >|--- Video --- >|Anyone know how VideoPlus (tm) codes work ? The numbers don't seem to >|correspond to anything and its bloody annoying me. > >VideoPlus, is that like VCRPLus or whatever? There was source code >for fguring out any program's number posted o alt.sources or something >similar awhile back. Source for encoding and decoding VCRPlus codes is available on ftp.rahul.net as part of the UTLCD-preview in ftp.rahul.net:/pub/atman/UTLCD-preview/crackage/ The source assumes that your machine has 32 bit ints, I think, so you may have to twiddle it a bit if you are using a 16-bit MS DOS compiler (but probably not too much.) -- atman@rahul.net || "Burn hollywood burn!" "I hanker for a hunk of cheese." ______________________________ From: eknipp@lobo.rmhs.colorado.edu (Ethan Knipp) Subject: Re: Cyberpunk Manifesto Fears Date: Wed, 10 Feb 93 13:49:36 MST Andy it's first-time caller, big-time lurker, I need not highlight the various downfalls of rapid technological progress, 'cause we've all heard it before. áh, I suppose, but I, for one, am willing to accept the costs of it. I want to tacke technology as fast as it comes, the faster the better. (see below, too.) I genuinely believe most of you will disaffirm my fears, but everytime I hear someone say, "cyberpunk fiction? B.S. it's not about fiction, it's about what's outside your fucking doorstep." I shudder at the blatant acceptance of social decline. Hey. The world can bite, and thassok, cause I can deal with it. All I really care about is that a couple of enclaves like AUtopia survive. Otherwise, hey, such is life. I suppose that's a callus attitude, but that's how I feel. Dystopia is much easier to handle than Utopia. - Chris Briareos@world.std.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Cyberpunks are millenium I "His dog was not a dog, was not killed by dogs. cultists. When the Second I not real, flesh-and-blood dogs. Coming comes your way, Jesus I He had harboured a machine for twelve years. will be wearing a data glove I But as long as you can't tell does it and riding a digital wind." I really matter? Does it?" - LJ Bloomendahl ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DON'T FEAR THE ROBOT, IT'S ÏUR FUTURE! - Graham Massey of 808 State -- Ethan The Unbeliever eknipp@lobo.rmhs.colorado.edu ______________________________ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 93 14:25:10 MST From: Juggler Subject: Loving nets... > >> --- Future Culture --- > >> What about non computer-literate people ? after all, there *are* more of > >> them than there are computers... > >> are they missing out ? i have friends who are studying for humanities > > > >Missing out? åah, I think so. That's just cuz I have a biased view. > >this really sucks. I will never touch it again." Once a person finds > >that you can communicate with other across the world, they are hooked > >and just plain intrigued by it. > > I work with people that answered a help wanted ad for a "receptionist." Most > of them not only don't "love it," they actively don't like the net. We have > all sorts of net feeds here, but it's beyond these people. It's required for > their jobs, but it's not love... Well, ya can't please everyone. It's just that the many people I talk to or show Internet to get hooked. They really like it. Maybe the people you work with don't like it because it is part of a job. It is not some- thing they do for enjoyment... -Juggler --- Juggler IH23@utep.BITNET IH23%utep@utepvm.ep.utexas.edu Sysop of Three Ring Circus (915)564-0026 **Bill Gates is a big weenie.** Disclaimer: My school hates my opinion. ______________________________ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 93 22:27:45 +0100 From: cardell@lysator.liu.se Subject: whole issues of PMC Mr Unsworth tells us that we can subscribe to the whole isse of PMC at once and then go on and makes an example saying that we *manually* have to *request* the whole issue. This is *not* what I call *subscribing* to the whole issue. Sorry, for bothering your eyes folks... mikael cardell S P U N K P R E S S ______________________________ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 93 14:29:58 MST From: Juggler Subject: re:something interesting... > Well said. > As a fresher at uni on a S/w Eng. degree i discovered not only did we > *not* have external email, we had *no* Usenet, *no* ftp etc. > and this was only 3 tears ago at the biggest computer school in Europe !!! Hey, my system doesn't have Usenet!! Man, he suffering, the pain... Actually it's not THAT bad. We still have Telnet and FTP capabilities. The biggest hassle is having to DL with Kermit. Sheesh.... -Juggler --- Juggler IH23@utep.BITNET IH23%utep@utepvm.ep.utexas.edu Sysop of Three Ring Circus (915)564-0026 **Bill Gates is a big weenie.** Disclaimer: My school hates my opinion. ______________________________ From: eknipp@lobo.rmhs.colorado.edu (Ethan Knipp) Subject: Re: Bubble Morph Date: Wed, 10 Feb 93 14:38:40 MST If anyone on here hasn't read andy's bubble morph thing, you should. It's an awesome piece of writing. I dunno if it was just me or not, but I think he summed up a lot (I mean, a lot!) or things I have to say about future-culture and the other bubbles. It is a great piece of work. Great. My friends also agreed on this. Some haven't even been near Internet or anything similar, but the things he relates and the ideas he put out reflected our thoughts beautifully. Check it. So where can I get it? --- Juggler IH23@utep.BITNET IH23%utep@utepvm.ep.utexas.edu Sysop of Three Ring Circus (915)564-0026 **Bill Gates is a big weenie.** Disclaimer: My school hates my opinion. -- Ethan The Unbeliever eknipp@lobo.rmhs.colorado.edu ______________________________ From: sdelmont@dino.conicit.ve (Sebastian Delmont (U...U...UCV)) Subject: Re: URGENT REALTIME ASSISTANCE REQUIRED Date: Wed, 10 Feb 93 13:17:18 AST I have some 512K available at my unix account, and many megs at home (Well, not so many, about 2 or 3). I prefer to use my unix account space, since i would have to pay the phone cost of downloading (UUCP) the files to my home, buit if there's really much space needed, I can make the 'sacrifice'. -- |%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%| * * Life starts at '030, |%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%| * = Sebastian Delmont = * gets fun at '040, | ***** | * * impotency at '86. | ** ** | * * /// |###############| * VENEZUELA * \\\/// Only Amiga |###############| * * \XX/ makes it possible! "From the pain come the dream, from the dream come the vision, from the vision come the people, and from the people come the power. ______________________________ From: this! ______________________________ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1993 16:09:10 -0700 From: "-=/[ drow ]/=-" Subject: bubble morph und so weite sorry if that last piece'o'nothing gets out...mail's been phunny here lately... anyway, i seem to have missed this, can somebody fwd it to me? thanks... -3drow =) ______________________________ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 93 16:13:27 PST From: Al Sargent Subject: phone home white house I thought I would post this so that we keep in mind that, while we are thinking about brainwave interfaces and VR, the people that get paid to lead this country into the 21st century are happy about getting voicemail in the white house. Al ----- Begin Included Message ----- ______________________________ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 93 15:56:05 PST From: "David E. Anderson x6307 Database & Language Division" Subject: phone home white house Mailer: Oracle*Mail: Version 1.1.3.3 REMARKS B THE PRESIDENT TO EMPLOÅES OF THE OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET 3 Feb When I took office, the White House had a telephone system that had been there since President Carter -- (laughter) -- and a switchboard that has been there since the 1960s. They talk about jamming the White House switchboards -- you can do it tomorrow if you want to; it's not hard. (Laughter.) I could not have a conference call in my office on my telephone, except an unwanted one -- anybody in the central office could punch a lighted button and listen to what I had to say. (Laughter and applause.) The American people, I think, would be pretty surprised and disappointed that after a dozen years of people who promised to run the government like a business -- they meant a business in the 1950s, not for the 21st century. (Laughter.) ...... David E. Anderson 500 Oracle Parkway, Box 659413 Manager, Product Development Services Redwood Shores, CA 94065 USA Database and Languages Division voice 415.506.6307 fax 415.506.7203 Oracle Corporation danderso@us.oracle.com ----- End Included Message ----- _________________________________________________________________________ | | | That's all for today! | | To send a message to the list: future@nyx.cs.du.edu | | To subscribe/unsubscribe/change format: future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu | | All other requests: future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu | | List Maintainer is: (andy [aka hawkeye]) ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu | |_________________________________________________________________________| | | | The opinions expressed in FutureCulture are those of the individual | | author only. | |_________________________________________________________________________|