From - Wed Jan 14 17:10:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.UU.NET by mrco.carleton.ca (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA01109; Wed, 10 Feb 93 01:33:40 EST Received: from nyx.cs.du.edu by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA15611; Wed, 10 Feb 93 01:30:50 -0500 Received: by nyx.cs.du.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01201; Tue, 9 Feb 93 23:30:40 MST From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (andy) Message-Id: <9302100630.AA01201@nyx.cs.du.edu> X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of Denver. The University has neither control over nor responsibility for the opinions or correct identity of users. Subject: FutureCulture Digest #224 To: future-digest@nyx.cs.du.edu Date: Tue, 9 Feb 93 23:30:37 MST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: R X-Mozilla-Status: 8001 ______________________________________________________________________ |______________ / | | / | | u t u r e <___________ u l t u r e | _______________________________________________________________________| Issue #224 Tuesday, February 9th 1993 Today's Topics: --------------- File servers forwarded neuroscience or myth? Operation WeedEater (huh.) Re: co-housing Re: HARD CURRENC re: neuroscience or myth... Re: neuroscience or myth? Reporter seeks computer fanatics URGENT REALTIME ASSISTANCE REQUIRED Weed-out those who weed-out the weed-eaters whole issues of PMC åt more IRC logs åt more IRC logs (fwd) __________________________________________________________________________ From: ahawks (rave on) Subject: Weed-out those who weed-out the weed-eaters Date: Tue, 9 Feb 93 17:47:44 MST The US Government recently raised some sort of propaganda with a program called WEED, as part of the Wo[S]D. (War on [Some] Drugs). I was jsut thinking of that when I read the post by Blade X, about that Phrakr Trakr guy (pick a real name, dumbass fed). Now, that sort of thing has been going on for some time in the computer underground, not just on the war on drugs, and it is interesing to see how cyberspace is being used in the process. Not just bulletin boards, but the Internet. Many rumors abound about Who Monitors What on the I-net. Some of the more common rumors I've heard on Usenet are: the NSA greps all e-mail and usenet posts, all irc communicaion is logged, etc, the FBI or SS or CIA at least have some passing knowldge/interest in the net, blahblah. We should assume this and it should come as no suprirse, since the Internet began, practically, in the federal government. (If I'm not mistaken it was initially an idea of how to keep nation-wide communications available in the eventof a nuclear catastrophe or somesuch event, ie, no centralized structure). Now, those of you who even FREQUENT e-lists or irc channels or usenet.groups that might be deemed "suspicious" by some consensus power, may have already had dealings with the government because of your activities on the net. For example, I'm speaking of dea or some oher feds showing up at an FMR, which they gained knowledge of via SFraves. €ou may have found yourself /msging on #drugs or #phreak ("I think so-and-so is a fed). IMHO it is time that we take all of this ABOVEGROUND to prevent civil rights and liberties from being trampled on in the present and future. There's not much we can do about the past, e.g. Operation Sundevil, but we can make a concentrated effort to stop entrapping *ourselves* by seeking knowledge regarding who's on the other end of cyberspace. Anonymity in cyberspace goes both ways. True, you can hack an account and call in through a series of X.* and dialup connections that lead you around the world twice just to send off a UUencoded, PGP message via fakemail to your best hacker-friend in holland just to say "i got root at blahblah.edu", and you will probably be undetected in that regard. And your intensions in sendind that message may not be malicious, your activities may fall under the umbrella of goodwill, yet because of America and other countries' disregard for civil liberties in areas where new and potewntially bewildering technologies are concerned you are a victim of fear. I say that if the authorities are going to comb certain lists and different corners of the net, we should not be blind in noticing them. Figure out who's doing what, clear the air, clear away the "assume this", clear away the "oh I heard that NE-raves has 2 dea....", clear away both the fear and paranoia by DOING something about it, and making the results (but not necessarily the means of obtaining the information) OVERGROUND and widely available. I think the more the results of these activities are kept out of the underground, the better, because we don't need an Operation Sundevil II. I see this as a post-cypherpunks activity. I can't really explain that, but it's kind of taking the age-old privacy<>technology debates in a new direction. Maybe a series of small PRIVATE mailing lists should be devoted to seeking out net.authorities, with the results being spread as far and wide as possible of course. Just like the federal government has at its fingertips the capabilities to find out exactly who's doing what, I believe the citizens deserve the right to shoot down the secrecy and bring to the forefront the activities of who in the government is doing what on the net. The intent of all this is not malicious, it is nullification. The extremes of both sides of the net in terms of legality need to curb their behaviour, IMHO. Ie, if you're dealing sheets of acid in irc, you'd probly stop if a file was passed along to you containing the names and email addresses of 100+ DEA agents, some of whom you might've seen on irc. And if you're in the SS, and you see such a list, you will hopefully realise that net.folx are generally concerned about their privacy and maintaining the bill of rights. Undertaking this "campaign" on the scale I am thinking of will obviously involve tons of disinformation and misinformation as well as the truth. That aspect, along wih the undertow feeling here of "Taking on The Powers That Be (tm)" may be very troubling and make you anxious, but, somewhere, sometime, somehow, we need to start such a campaign on a grass-roots level with the ultimate goal of protecting our own rights as an individual. Note: this is not all in my head, other anonymous@net.folx have clearly expressed a similar interest to some degree, though possibly and probably with different trajectories, goals, and approaches to the whole idea. ïu may, quite naturally, assume hat if I am one to initiate such an idea then "well, obviously he has something to hide". Not neccesarily so. My concern here is in preventing the continued demise of constitutional rights in conjunction with new communicative technologies. Ensuring not only that the constitution applies to cyberspace, but hopefully also taking advantage of these communicative technologies to promote the view that as we switch over to an information-based economic structure, such information is vital if the people want to maintain what power they have. Basically, this is just a call to any person who uses a modem for private or public or semi-public communications to wise up, and to help yourself by helping the rest of us partake in the quest of finding out who has control over what information and where in cyebrspace the authorities have planted their seeds. -- andy ______________________________ Date: Tue, 9 Feb 93 17:29:39 PST From: mjy@vision.arc.nasa.gov (Mark J ïung) Subject: neuroscience or myth? stimpy@dcv4kd.phs.com (Matt Holdrege) writes... >Remember that you only use 10% of your brain's capacity. I have heard this countless times. I'm wondering if this is true. A few things that make me doubtful: When I've seen computer graphic visualizations of various (MRI, EEG, MEG) neural imaging output as the subject is performing various cognitive tasks, it appears that the activation sweeps out most of the brain volume after a bit of time. Is this an illusion due to the visualization software or do you use all the nooks and cranies of your brain given enough time (and tasks)? Also, from my puny knowledge of biology, it seems odd that there would be cells (neurons) that are inactive yet remain viable over a long time period. ïu might think that cells that are inactive for long periods would get pruned (i.e. atrophy). I wonder if this "10%" refers to a mean instantaneous proportion of neurons that are firing. Does anyone know the story behind this propaganda? ______________________________ From: jmueg@unity.ncsu.edu Subject: whole issues of PMC Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1993 21:39:57 -0500 (EST) In answer to a recent post here, yes: you can get whole issues of _Postmodern Culture_, once you are subscribed. Or, you can ftp whole issues with the mget command. Here's how: If you are subscribed and using Listserv, mail to listserv@ncsuvm.cc.ncsu.edu (you're talking to a program at this point, so the only text should be a command): get pmcv3n2 package pmc-list f=mail and send the message. The command above is an example: if you send this as the text of a mail message to listserv@ncsuvm.cc.ncsu.edu, you will get all of the files that make up volume 3, number 2, each as a separate mail message. For volume 3, number 1, the command would be get pmcv3n1 package pmc-list f=mail etc. (we go back to 1.1, obviously). If you want to ftp to ncsuvm.cc.ncsu.edu and login as anonymous, you can use ftp's mget command to retrieve all files is a particular issue: ftp ncsuvm.cc.ncsu.edu login: anonymous password: [your email address] cd PMC mget *.193 Naming convention here is as follows: myy. All items in the January, 1993 issue have the extension 193. We publish in Sep., Jan., and May, so all journal items are *.9yy, *.1yy, or *.5yy. For example everything in the May, 1991 issue has the extension 591. We go back to september of 1990. John Unsworth ______________________________ From: sdelmont@conicit.ve (Sebastian Delmont (U...U...UCV)) Subject: Re: neuroscience or myth? Date: Tue, 9 Feb 93 23:08:28 AST I think that when they refer to 10% of the brain power, it doesn't mean that 90% of the neurenes are idle. It's maybe about the percentage of the posible conections between the neurones. I mean, there must be zillions of ways to interconnect our neurones to do zillions of different things, but we still can't do 90% of such connections, only the "basic" ones. And I think, if these are just the 10%, what lies in the rest must be really impresive (There may b some redundance, though ) Bye, and regards... -- |%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%| * * Life starts at '030, |%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%| * = Sebastian Delmont = * gets fun at '040, | ***** | * * impotency at '86. | ** ** | * * /// |###############| * VENEZUELA * \\\/// Only Amiga |###############| * * \XX/ makes it possible! "From the pain come the dream, from the dream come the vision, from the vision come the people, and from the people come the power. ______________________________ From: this! ______________________________ Date: Tue, 9 Feb 93 22:18 CDT From: UMLANGSTON%MEMSTVX1.bitnet@CUNÖM.CUN®EDU Subject: re: neuroscience or myth... (If I drop characters, bear with me...my keyboards acting up again...) The %10 of the brain tale is myth. The brain is very well organized, and very highly interconnected. Moreover, many areas of the cortex, neocortex, cerebrum, cerebellum, etc. etc. are dedicated (or at least predominated by) to performing certain functions. ïu are actually using quite a lot of your brain at any given time, keeping your repiratory and cardiovascular system functioning, processing visual/ auditory/olfactory/tactile/proprioceptive information, etc., above and beyond anything cognitive you may be doing at the time. The person at the NASA site (sorry, lost your site name/address) is probably on track: if your brain is not in full use or at least near capacity, it is because the parts not in use are not involved in any processing at the time. BTW, the way a synapse is used is typically not a function of its meta-function (as suggested by someone else), but instead is usually determined by the dynamics of the system. In other words, we have neurons and synapses where we do because that was the most efficient place to put them for communication pusposes in the area it is found, and not because that particular neuron is critical to any particular thought or cognitive system. And, as far as I know, we do not 'grow' new synapses through use of the brain; instead, the system settles into new connectivity dynamics without any macro-level physical changes. (If I remember correctly, it has been found that dendrites and axons will regenerate or atrophy under certain circumstances...cant remember what right now , tho.) -mark langston@memstvx1.memst.edu fugue@mindvox.phantom.com ______________________________ Date: Tue, 9 Feb 93 20:29:45 -0800 From: elvis presely Subject: Re: neuroscience or myth? stimpy@dcv4kd.phs.com (Matt Holdrege) writes... >Remember that you only use 10% of your brain's capacity. This can mean many things. What it DOESN'T mean is that 10% of your neurons are firing; this would be absurd. Like any natural system the brain tends to be very efficient and uses what it's got for the task at hand. If is also quite plastic. Areas of the brain may grow and start to take over other areas if these areas are being used alot. I would be better to say that we only use 10% of our minds capacity; I think this is what is meant. And since we know very little about the relation of our minds to the brain it make little sense to talk about individual neurons. We could say something about the interconnections and chemical behavior of neurons, but this doesn't mean all that much. This is like saying something like " our potential as a society is only 10% fullfilled and it has something to do with who is talking to who." The more relevant discussion would have to do with our capacity to learn, perceive, and be intelligent. ---------- Jerry ============ Jerry Lugert jerry@gristle.com ______________________________ From: rls900@cscgpo.anu.edu.au (Richard Siggs) Subject: Re: co-housing Date: Wed, 10 Feb 93 15:37:12 EST G'day FCers.. >From: swisher@cs.utexas.edu (Janet M. Swisher) >Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1993 01:14:54 -0600 >Subject: Co-housing > >> The future >>of humanity is not a bunch of loners spread out on ten-acre plots in the >>woods and telecommuting to work. The future is more likely quality high- >>density housing (150+ people/acre) designed to minimize environmental >>impact and maximize undeveloped land. And still telecommuting to work. > See below, but I like the 'bunch of loners' bit.. >> Which produces less polution, a large >>laser printer serving a workgroup, or twenty-five personal laser printers? >>And we have to consider the social aspects of work, which are also >>important (I'm probably talking to the wrong group here... :-). >> It's a paradigm shift indeed.. Do you need to be at your desk to work? >>How about planned, high-density communities with generic workspace where >>full office services could be provided, but where workers would tele- >>commute to any place on the globe? I believe it would be highly undesirable >>for society to disperse into an infinity of individuals connected only >>through fibers. And ecological suicide to do so without reducing the total >>population by an order of magnitude or two. >> >>Joe Pollock >>The Evergreen State College > >This makes me think about what I've heard about co-housing. [.. bits deleted .. none of my bits though :-0] >In co-housing a group of interested folks cooperatively plan >a community development for themselves; each family owns its own home >and has a stake in the development as a whole. The developments are >geared toward community and resource sharing, so it's sort of a cross >between a commune and a condo. The developments usually have various >shared facilities such as dining halls (though each house still has >its own kitchen and dining room), nurseries, launderies or rec rooms. >Residents may share duties such as cooking and childcare. Exactly how >each development works depends on the preferences and budgets of the >participants. > >I can easily imagine that in a group where lots of the participants >were telecommuters, you could have a computer network in the >development (with appropriate security, as everyone works for >different companies), and shared printers, modem pool, faxes, copiers, >and of course, water cooler to gather 'round. Well, I guess the >printers and faxes could pose security problems, too. But you get the >idea. > >Anybody out there got more direct experience with co-housing? Know if >this sort of shared work space has been tried? > > Janet >______________________________ Ahh.. Maybe I can contribute a bit to this.. Though I'm more involved in sharing a farm with multiple small houses.. I live on a bush block in the Australian Snowy Mountains with 6 other people (my SO & originally 2 other friends who shared a dream.. Others have come & 2 have stayed so far). We're all madly building our mud-brick houses & I'm also in the process of installing a twisted-pair & thin-wire ethernet network over the farm - getting trench diggers in, buying the cables & eventually (before the frosts!) cabling what is now 3 buildings (2 evolving houses, one machine shed) - all this while still (4 months so far) commuting to work in the city (over 80kms away - yeah, it's madness fersure, but so is living in the Sprawl for me :-). So I'm REAL interested in telecommuting, but I'm yet to warm my work place to the idea. However, it's a real paradigm break for many people.. That you could be performing your job almost as good as if you were there, yet your only present virtually. The people in centre where I work know what telecommuting is but are skeptical (someone's got to be the first - looks like it'll be me). But the real hassle (I perceive) is with those with Management Power (tm), more removed from the tech, who's only use of a computer has been for say just a year & they only use it (badly) for email & wp. For them, you're at work when you're at your desk. But I know, that for my job (keeping the Net alive here at the Aust National Uni), I'm at work where ever there's a terminal & if I'm at my desk, then I'm normally LESS available to consensual reality, as my Awareness is intensely spread between Usenet, email, 4 nodes & a few routers at any one time. So to me, a quick SLIP link is all I need to do the majority of my job. >Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1993 09:40:14 +0100 >From: cardell@lysator.liu.se >Subject: Co-housing > >Janet, the sort of co-housing you describe is rather popular in Sweden >with several co-villages around the country. All, or at least many of >them, also have the means to use computer networks and have LANs >allready in place. > Are any of these on the Net? I'd love to chat to them! >However, there aren't much knowledge what to do with these LANs and >I'm afraid most of them are used simply as a way of sharing a laser >printer or some such. When I move in, I'll create the first co-housing >village with Internet access, just you wait! ;) > Well, if you're not quick, I'll beat you to it.. Though, have you ever seen what a lightning strike 2kms away does to a connected modem? That's not all.. that serial cable to the modem makes a great sink for a few kVolts!! That'll stall me for a while.. fried my modem and Amiga to the point of blown fuses & smoking circuits (burnt chrome! :-) A more general question.. Just what Internet access would you want/can you get from home? Here I'll use a couple of v42bis modems (15kbps+) & a SLIP port on a terminal server. Full blown IP at the drop of a (black)hat! >mikael cardell ______________________________ >From: mcarpent@ecn.purdue.edu (Matthew A Carpenter) >Subject: Co-housing >Date: Mon, 8 Feb 93 10:10:35 EST > > Presently though, dorms are kinda becoming a co-house in the sense >that most are getting several terminal rooms, ibm's, macs and in my dorm's >case, a sun workstation (one of these semesters...). Just think, in maybe >say 10 or so years, the new dorms might even have ETHER running to each room >along with the HDTV!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Looks at university administration, >and laughs histerically to himself) > >-Matt >mcarpent@en.ecn.purdue.edu ______________________________ We've got a couple of colleges here that have recently recabled their rooms & each now has 2 RJ jacks, one for phone & the other for 10baseT enet or PhoneNET (apple(NOT!)talk). Niiiccee.. Richard.Siggs@cscgpo.anu.edu.au Australian National University, Computer Services Centre Living in the country. 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Received (90 chars): l8 all....> l8 all....DSent (48 chars): /quit Have to jack out of the matrix now...Bye! Received (11 chars): /quit Have Received (154 chars): to jack out of the matrix now...Bye! Sent (2 chars): n Received (62 chars): n -=/[ Starting NewScan ]/=- Received (146 chars): -=/[ [75] New Messages / Begin Reading at (#456) ]/=- [ Area: MindVox / Forum: Convergence ] [NewScan]: Sent (1 chars): Received (2 chars): Received (476 chars):  Post: 456 of 530 Subject: Re: Gore's Daughters From: hayden (Hugh Appet) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 02:27:17 EST deadboy (The Dead) writes: > Ftp see above, right now there's ftpmail, full ftp is turned on after the > move. > Where can one fine some info on ftpmail? I may be in the nursing home by the time the 'move' is complete. Hayden [ Area: MindVox / Forum: Convergence ] [NewScan]: Sent (4 chars): 520 Received (39 chars): 520  Post: 520 of 530 Received (512 chars): Subject: FORBES : get a load of this... From: drow (Doug Rau) Date: Tue, 02 Feb 93 21:39:03 EST In-Reply-To: <3VmLVB1w165w@mindvox.phantom.com> Article 1500 in alt.cyberpunk.tech: From: dbuck@world.std.com (David C Churbuck) Subject: Reporter seeks computer fanatics Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1993 18:15:45 GMT Lines: 20 By way of introduction: I am David Churbuck, associate editor of computers and communica- tions for FoReceived (512 chars): rbes Magazine. I am working on a story about computer hobbyists: fanatics who spend over half of their income on the latest box, the latest gadget. Maybe you know this person. Maybe you have a Connection Machine in your basement. Maybe you know of a person who was divorced because they spent too much time at the keyboard and not enough time with their spouse. If you do, and you'd like to contribute to a whimsical story about how PCs are far more than tools, but also awesome toys, please respond via Received (512 chars): email asap. This is not intended to be a "darkside" of computing story, but a look at how 80 year-old retirees are becoming fluent in active matrix LCD color screens, the differences between a DX and SX, and Walter Mitty types who use a Unix workstation to store their receipes. -- ========================================================================== David C. Churbuck dbuck@world.std.com Associate Editor of Computers & Communications dbuck@well.sf.ca.us Forbes MagReceived (133 chars): azine dchurbuck:MCIMAIL [ Area: MindVox / Forum: Convergence ] [NewScan]: Sent (1 chars): Received (2 chars): Received (463 chars):  Post: 521 of 530 Subject: Re: FORBES : get a load of this... From: slacker (josh c) Date: Tue, 02 Feb 93 22:19:53 EST In-Reply-To: åah.... I suppose he could be asked to come to the next VOX meet f2F, where I'd like to lynch him (and his kind) with computer cable... ah, but thats just me. [ Area: MindVox / Forum: Convergence ] [NewScan]: Sent (1 chars): Received (2 chars): Received (512 chars):  Post: 522 of 530 Subject: Re: slick willie joins the net From: hayden (Hugh Appet) Date: Tue, 02 Feb 93 23:43:54 EST drow (Doug Rau) writes: > tC writes... > Or maybe not, the one big fact that is somehow getting overlooked is the > question of why should I behave like I'm living in a police state. I > thought this was a free country where I was allowed access to my own > information and data, whichReceived (512 chars): isn't illegal and doesn't step on any toes. > Why am I supposed to live in this state of paranoia? What is my crime? > > a> it's only a free country if you're not doing something wrong. ;) > eaten. thinking nicely about your gov is fine, but given their > history of phucking up and prosecuting for something marginal but > perfectly legal, i'm certainly not inclined to trust them. i have Is anyone busting in your door for having files about drugs on your computer?  would anyone wantReceived (512 chars): to sit on a telephone pole at 3 am to send anyone a threatening letter? Geez, w/this kind of nonsense and fuzzy thinking going on it's no wonder a revolution is impossible in this country. U may not be inclined to trust 'them' but as has been said before, them is u. I can imagine some poor slob in the SS having to wade thru all this stuff; it's punishment enough for having joined in the first place. I think many of u r the stuff neo cons who have facilitated the shrinking of the margins in thReceived (181 chars): is society r made of. Hayden -==go ahead, flame on, my harddisk is simply embedded in asbestos==- [ Area: MindVox / Forum: Convergence ] [NewScan]: Sent (1 chars): Received (2 chars): Received (512 chars):  Post: 523 of 530 Subject: Re: slick willie joins the net From: drow (Doug Rau) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 93 01:51:11 EST In-Reply-To: 'them is u'? say what you want, do what you want, that's what it is. some people feel a need for security to ensure their individual freedom, i count myself among them. if you don't, you don't have to be worried, and can just ignore this thread like a normal person, right? Received (55 chars): [ Area: MindVox / Forum: Convergence ] [NewScan]: Sent (1 chars): Received (2 chars): Received (512 chars):  Post: 524 of 530 Subject: Encryption Keys From: critic (Terry Palfrey) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 93 02:36:46 EST In-Reply-To: To me several things are obvious.... Anything that leaves your head can never be secret. Proper path is to defend freedom of speech - thought and assembly. Then what must be said can be said. Encryption...useful for a verification of your person wherever security and fraud are taken seriously. WeReceived (177 chars): lcome to the F U T U R E - a cashless society hooked upon the everpresent database. Me [ Area: MindVox / Forum: Convergence ] [NewScan]: Sent (1 chars): Received (2 chars): Received (512 chars):  Post: 525 of 530 Subject: Re: slick willie joins the net From: simonm (Simon Moon) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 93 03:01:00 EST In-Reply-To: <1JVDyB1w165w@mindvox.phantom.com> hotblack (Dana Watanabe) writes: > what we need to do is keep killing off officials until one does a job we > like and then even if they dont agree with our politics > they will at least be productive cuz theyre gonna die if they arent Dana, this is a wonderful idea I was much enamored of forReceived (266 chars): many years (granted, I was 11 at the time...). What it lacks in feasibility it more than makes up in subtlety. - Simon [ Area: MindVox / Forum: Convergence ] [NewScan]: Sent (1 chars): Received (2 chars): Received (512 chars):  Post: 526 of 530 Subject: Re: Encryption Keys From: drow (Doug Rau) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 93 03:34:23 EST In-Reply-To: christ, if i'm not careful somebody is going to think i'm some kind of liberal radical activist from this thread.... critic sez... <+> Anything that leaves your head can never be secret. maybe not, but we can get close. it's not convenient to keep everything in your head, at least not minReceived (512 chars): e. :) <+> Proper path is to defend freedom of speech - thought and assembly. <+> Then what must be said can be said. more than that, what can be said can be said. somebody wake me up when we get to a perfectly free society, i wanna see it. sorry, but to me the recent activities of the government (the st00pid ass raid on SJG, rave busts, bills past and present (most notably senate 226, if anybody remembers that one), the crippling of des, etc) say thaReceived (512 chars): t they're not as interested in individual freedoms as they are in having a nice, orderly society no matter what the cost. i don't believe the two are incompatible. <+> Encryption...useful for a verification of your person wherever <+> security and fraud are taken seriously. i take my security seriously, i take fraud seriously. things that i think should be encrypted, i do. <+> Welcome to the F U T U R E - a cashless society hooked upon the <+> everpresenReceived (302 chars): t database. mindvox is part of this, but too much of the world is still lagging behind... maybe they should talk to PSI about it. :) :%: drow :%: who every once in a while forgets he deleted his sig... [ Area: MindVox / Forum: Convergence ] [NewScan]: Sent (1 chars): Received (2 chars): Received (512 chars):  Post: 527 of 530 Subject: slick willie, 3-way calling, and other poinless things From: bcase (Perry Gregor) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 93 06:44:40 EST In-Reply-To: <1B1DyB1w165w@mindvox.phantom.com> It doesnt matter " would you want to?". Because it's there. If everyone had a reason behind their illogical actions, we would be in trouble. That's how things get invented..... mistakes and playing around with things that seem meaningless. [ AreaReceived (47 chars): : MindVox / Forum: Convergence ] [NewScan]: Sent (1 chars): Received (2 chars): Received (512 chars):  Post: 528 of 530 Subject: Re: slick willie joins the net From: mycroft (Keith Kushner) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 93 10:27:05 EST simonm (Simon Moon) writes: > hotblack (Dana Watanabe) writes: > > > what we need to do is keep killing off officials until one does a job we > > like and then even if they dont agree with our politics > > they will at least be productive cuz theyre gonna die if they arent > > Dana, this is a wonderful idea I was much enamored Received (512 chars): of for many years > (granted, I was 11 at the time...). What it lacks in feasibility it more > than makes up in subtlety. > > - Simon ... as suggested in Heinlein's _Friday_, of course... and exposed there as the sheer idiocy it is. On the other hand, it might depend on exactly who the "we" is: if "we" includes, for instance, the spook shops and others who have a monetary or political interest in expanding an unWar, say Viet Nam, aSent (1 chars): Received (305 chars): nd the current President has decided to withdraw all troops ASAP, which will hurt you politically and/or financially, then "we" might consider your solution... Just theoretically, of course. It will never happen *here* [ Area: MindVox / Forum: Convergence ] [NewScan]: Received (207 chars):  Post: 529 of 530 Subject: Re: slick willie joins the net From: pkk (james kelly) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 93 14:54:53 EST mycroft (Keith Kushner) writes: > OnReceived (512 chars): the other hand, it might depend on exactly who the "we" is: if > "we" includes, for instance, the spook shops and others who have a > monetary or political interest in expanding an unWar, say Viet Nam, > and the current President has decided to withdraw all troops ASAP, > which will hurt you politically and/or financially, then "we" > might consider your solution... > > Just theoretically, of course. It will never happen *here* > Ahh.... looks like someone had been reading "plausible deniReceived (165 chars): al" by Mark Lane just a theory..... :) pkk productions <.mod> music files. [ Area: MindVox / Forum: Convergence ] [NewScan]: Sent (1 chars): Received (2 chars): Received (483 chars):  Post: 530 of 530 Subject: Re: slick willie joins the net From: mycroft (Keith Kushner) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 93 17:58:47 EST pkk (james kelly) writes: > Ahh.... looks like someone had been reading "plausible denial" by Mark > Lane > > just a theory..... :) > > > pkk productions <.mod> music files. Nope. Other sources. [ Area: MindVox / Forum: Convergence ] [NewScan] / [Post Message?]: Sent (1 chars): Received (2 chars): Received (143 chars): -=/[ [4] New Messages / Begin Reading at (#34) ]/=- [ Area: MindVox / Forum: Archives ] [NewScan]: Sent (1 chars): Received (2 chars): Received (413 chars):  Post: 34 of 37 Subject: Telnet and FTP From: kayotae (Erik M Wawrzyniak) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 93 20:43:27 EST Hey everyone, I'm new to Vox and need ya'all to help me out with something. anyone know how i can telnet or FTP around here? Thanks for your help! Kayotae [ Area: MindVox / Forum: Archives ] [NewScan]: Sent (1 chars): Received (2 chars): Received (512 chars):  Post: 35 of 37 Subject: Re: Telnet and FTP From: alibaba (Nick Mordanzo) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 93 03:19:31 EST kayotae (Erik M Wawrzyniak) writes: > Hey everyone, I'm new to Vox and need ya'all to help me out with > something. anyone know how i can telnet or FTP around here? Thanks for > your help! > Kayotae > ftpmail for 2 more weeks, telnet is by request, if you are in plan 3, then type: telnet and it shoudl work. If it doesnt Received (175 chars): ask a sysadmin, and they';ll set it up. $%$%$%$%$%$%$% ($) Ali Baba ($) %$%$%$%$%$%$%$ [ Area: MindVox / Forum: Archives ] [NewScan]: Sent (1 chars): Received (2 chars): Received (433 chars):  Post: 36 of 37 Subject: G-Philes From: delafe (Alfredo De La Fe) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 93 03:39:25 EST In-Reply-To: <9yk7XB2w165w@mindvox.phantom.com> I have a bunch of old G-Philes lying around. I will upload them. (Of course I will upload my old groups files first... N.A.S.T.® Technical Journals 1-3, hehe) [ Area: MindVox / Forum: Archives ] [NewScan]: Sent (1 chars): Received (2 chars): Received (512 chars):  Post: 37 of 37 Subject: Re: Telnet and FTP From: mathews (Mathew Soba) Date: Tue, 02 Feb 93 02:30:11 EST kayotae (Erik M Wawrzyniak) writes: > Hey everyone, I'm new to Vox and need ya'all to help me out with > something. anyone know how i can telnet or FTP around here? Thanks for > your help! > Kayotae > Well, If you have already paid for it (INTERNET ACCESS), just contact the systen Adm. and tell him or her to activate your tReceived (249 chars): elnet. as far as FTP is concerned, they told me that it is off untill mindvox is done moving to its new location..... Later-------------------->MATS [ Area: MindVox / Forum: Archives ] [NewScan] / [Post Message?]: Sent (1 chars): Received (2 chars): Received (196 chars): <+]) [No New Messages] / [Skipping]: Forum-Index -=/[ [9] New Messages / Begin Reading at (#170) ]/=- [ Area: MindVox / Forum: Introductions ] [NewScan]: Sent (1 chars): Received (2 chars): Received (512 chars):  Post: 170 of 178 Subject: Re: information society micro-review From: dpoe (Darren Poe) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 17:52:23 EST nihilis (Joel Boutros) writes: > vector (Kurt larson) writes: > > > 300,N,8,1 IS MEREL A TEXT FILE, AND WAS POSTED HERE ON MINDVOX > > SEVERAL MONTHS AGO. OUR NEW SINGLE WILL HAVE A NEW DOWNLOAD ON IT. my accomplishment for the day was rigging up a makeshift interface between my cd player and my computer and downloading the insoReceived (510 chars): c ascii file. it was kinda funny to see two pieces of high-tech hardware working together, connected by a jumble of spliced phone wires and phono cables and electrical tape. :) oh, and i discovered a neat way to to tap the neighbors' phone lines in the process. now all i need is a capacitor, heheheheheh >:D > ________________________________ | Darren Michael Poe > Des!gn |:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ [ Area: MindVox / Forum: IntrReceived (2 chars): odReceived (24 chars): uctions ] [NewScan]: Sent (1 chars): Received (2 chars): Received (512 chars):  Post: 171 of 178 Subject: Viva Vox! From: voidmstr (Dennis wilen) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 23:28:27 EST In-Reply-To: Wow! Now that I can telnet in via Netcom in sun3t??Ápny California---instead of supporting MaBell by calling NÃ...I'm finally getting theVoxexperience...way cool! Now, as a stoopid MacUser maybe I'll take the time to learn to type...altho GUI is cumming, they say. If your on a MMac and can point me in thReceived (217 chars): e right direction as to how to get around this board`ui, thnx in advcance. OPardon my typing this is my first post here ; )/s 0?`¯s [ Area: MindVox / Forum: Introductions ] [NewScan]: Sent (1 chars): Received (36 chars):  Post: 172 of 178 Received (512 chars): Subject: word. From: drow (Doug Rau) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 93 02:58:16 EST hi...anyway, my name is doug rau, er, drow. heh, i can't get used to using my net.name. drow has to take off for a while, see some folks in chiba about getting his skull checked for a toothbrush that was lost in the head factory right around his incept date. somebody take the bar? thanks... [ Area: MindVox / Forum: Introductions ] Received (11 chars): [NewScan]: Sent (1 chars): Received (2 chars): Received (512 chars):  Post: 173 of 178 Subject: Re: word. From: enzyme (David Pincus) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 93 02:37:49 EST drow (Doug Rau) writes: > hi...anyway, my name is doug rau, er, drow. heh, i can't get > used to using my net.name. drow has to take off for a while, > see some folks in chiba about getting his skull checked for a > toothbrush that was lost in the head factory right around his > incept date. somebody take the baReceived (102 chars): r? thanks... Check. [ Area: MindVox / Forum: Introductions ] [NewScan]: Sent (1 chars): Received (36 chars):  Post: 174 of 178 Received (444 chars): Subject: HARD CURRENC From: vector (Kurt larson) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 93 06:47:16 EST In-Reply-To: THE SOUND IN HARD CURRENC ARE COMPLETEL RANDOM. THE WILL NOT DIAL ÏU AN×HERE. - KURT - TRAP VECTOR [ Area: MindVox / Forum: Introductions ] [NewScan]: Sent (1 chars): Received (2 chars): Received (418 chars):  Post: 175 of 178 Subject: Re: HARD CURRENC From: vector (Kurt larson) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 93 06:49:26 EST In-Reply-To: I MEAN... SOUNDS. - KURT - TRAP VECTOR [ Area: MindVox / Forum: Introductions ] [NewScan]: Sent (1 chars): Received (36 chars):  Post: 176 of 178 Received (512 chars): Subject: Re: HARD CURRENC From: nihilis (Joel Boutros) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 93 10:37:15 EST vector (Kurt larson) writes: > I MEAN... SOUNDS. Well, geez, man, ake up your mind, I was completely lost and confused and not klnowing where my life wuld end up. I was gonna take the plunge into the wide world of Gregorian Chants and never return. But, thank you, I feel much better now. (hehehe, it's morning, I felt like I had to do that) |:- WReceived (257 chars): anna fight about it?! (grin) -:| |:- nihilis@phantom.com -:| |:- Joel Boutros -:| [ Area: MindVox / Forum: Introductions ] [NewScan]: Sent (1 chars): Received (2 chars): Received (512 chars):  Post: 177 of 178 Subject: Re: HARD CURRENC From: bcase (Perry Gregor) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 93 20:25:16 EST In-Reply-To: That answers alot. Because, we took the time to count the tones played, and it was 16 or something. That's even more than a regular Over-seas call. So we finally said what the hell and played it into the phone and waited. That number comes up with a .....'The number you have dialed has been disconnectedReceived (195 chars): .......' Hehehe... Kurt, put some meaning into these things so we can have fun. -(BCASE) [ Area: MindVox / Forum: Introductions ] [NewScan]: Sent (1 chars): Received (2 chars): Received (512 chars):  Post: 178 of 178 Subject: Re: HARD CURRENC From: sulam (James Waldrop) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 93 12:47:42 EST In-Reply-To: I think you are underestimating the content level in those sound(s) KURT. We all must have ingrained in our heads with little ballpeen hammers that what KURT says has *no relation* to the sound(s) referred to (or any other sounds for that matter). For example, if I were into numerology I could tear the 16Received (512 chars): tones into an extended diatribe on how this is clear evidence of a hatred of motherhood, possibly pointing to KURT having not been breast-fed long enough, but it doesn't really matter how it relates to KURT after all does it, since it's in the public space and is intellectual non-property. If I want to play it backwards, sample it at 25 Mhz, randomly assign weightings to the thrash that pops out, then explain how it's really the VOICE OF GOD telling me to go burn things, are we going to blame KURT?Received (451 chars): I didn't think so. ps. I don't think you tried hard enough to figure out what the 16 tones might be pointing too. Try permutating the sequence a few times until a number pops out. Then tell the old man on the other end that he is the one true voice in the wilderness. If he doesn't hang up, you've cracked the code. //sulam [ Area: MindVox / Forum: Introductions ] [NewScan] / [Post Message?]: Sent (2 chars): y Received (84 chars): y Subject: Re: HARD CURRENC€ <+]) Continue Message with SAME [Subject] (¯N): Sent (1 chars): Received (176 chars): Edit Mode: "/S" to Save Document, "/Q" to Abort, Single "/" or "." for Options [Ln][--------------------------------------------------------------------------] 1> Sent (61 chars): Kurt - do you have a caps lock or shift key on yer computer? Received (14 chars): Kurt - do you Sent (1 chars): Received (53 chars): have a caps lock or shift key on yer computer? 2> Received (7 chars): 3> Sent (69 chars): BTW, in your eyes, is the net, as a whole, or in parts, "art" in and Received (19 chars): BTW, in your eyes, Received (56 chars): is the net, as a whole, or in parts, "art" in and 4> Sent (43 chars): of itself? Jus' wonderin yer thoughts.... Received (13 chars): of itself? JSent (3 chars): /s Received (36 chars): us' wonderin yer thoughts.... 5> Received (4 chars): /s Received (133 chars): -=/[ Message Posted ]/=- [ Area: MindVox / Forum: Introductions ] [NewScan]: Sent (1 chars): Received (36 chars):  Post: 179 of 179 Received (512 chars): Subject: Re: HARD CURRENC From: ahawks (Andy Hawks) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 93 23:25:53 EST In-Reply-To: <8X69XB1w165w@mindvox.phantom.com> Kurt - do you have a caps lock or shift key on yer computer? BTW, in your eyes, is the net, as a whole, or in parts, "art" in and of itself? Jus' wonderin yer thoughts.... ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu FutureCulture: In/f0rmation ahawks@mindvox.phantom.com future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu Received (73 chars): [ Area: MindVox / Forum: Introductions ] [NewScan] / [Post Message?]: Sent (1 chars): Received (2 chars): Received (141 chars): -=/[ [6] New Messages / Begin Reading at (#78) ]/=- [ Area: MindVox / Forum: News ] [NewScan]: Sent (1 chars): Received (2 chars): Received (512 chars):  Post: 78 of 83 Subject: Re: SECURIT UPDATE From: delafe (Alfredo De La Fe) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 01:31:00 EST deadboy (The Dead) writes: > carlos (Carlos dominguez) writes: > > > ..never I thought I'd have to say that here... I hope he fucking rots in > > his own shit for a week or so. If he is the guilty party, I'd hate to > > be responsible for his mailbox.. > > > > PS: Slap me, the CERT guys would probably laugh their asses off anyway. > > Received (465 chars): > > kill a weenie...eat cheerios > > Tell me I'm wrong, but isn't this a typical lame kind of thing for lozers > who can't do anything else to try. I don't see the potential for any > damage other then some people feeling stupid if they listened to it > against any common sense. > > The Dead Shall Rise > and here I was thinking that we laugh at those CERT guys! Al! [ Area: MindVox / Forum: News ] [NewScan]: Sent (1 chars): Received (2 chars): Received (308 chars):  Post: 79 of 83 Subject: Re: easter eggs From: phred (Christopher Donnegan) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 93 12:10:02 EST In-Reply-To: Where do you get the TIME, man? [ Area: MindVox / Forum: News ] [NewScan]: Sent (1 chars): Received (512 chars):  Post: 80 of 83 Subject: Re: SECURIT UPDATE From: lotus (Matthew Naparty) Date: Mon, 01 Feb 93 11:45:39 EST In-Reply-To: <8JFeXB1w165w@mindvox.phantom.com> What about image passowrds... like @--,---'--- or O.o (eyes) or (: (; (-: i can go on forever...... LoTuS............. well we can alwaySent (1 chars): Sent (1 chars): Sent (8 chars): mindvox Received (12 chars): }} }#}$Sent (3 chars): |@Sent (3 chars): | Sent (3 chars): |#Sent (3 chars): |$Received (15 chars): {}}{}!Sent (3 chars): |Sent (3 chars): |Sent (3 chars): |!Received (183 chars): { Phantom Access NeXT Mach (mindvox) (ttypf) Type "mindvox" to enter the MindVox system Sent (2 chars): Sent (7 chars): ahawks Sent (8 chars): bl0tter Sent (1 chars): Received (16 chars): login: mindvox Received (11 chars): Received (512 chars):  |Received (1024 chars): Received (1669 chars): /\_-\ <((_))> \- \/ _________________________________________________________ To take a look around MindVox use the "guest" account To apply for an account enter as GUEST, then REGISTER _________________________________________________________ (c) Copyright 1992, Phantom Access Technologies, Inc. Login (User ID): ahawks Password:  (+) [ MindVox ] (+) -=/[ Internet Site: phantom.com ]/=- _______________________________________________________________ Today Is: [04-Feb-93] Logging In: ( ahawks ) Caller Number: (74269) Last Login: (03-Feb-93) New Messages: [ 12 ] _______________________________________________________________ ïur Identity on MindVox is: ahawks@mindvox.phantom.com _______________________________________________________________ [ 2 Mail Messages ] (1:35am) [ Area: MindVox / Forum: Convergence ] (? for Menu) [Main Menu]: (1:35am) [ Area: MindVox / Forum: Convergence ] (? for Menu) [Main Menu]: Sent (1 chars): Received (101 chars): (1:35am) [ Area: MindVox / Forum: Convergence ] (? for Menu) [Main Menu]: Sent (3 chars): ic Received (4 chars): ic Received (147 chars): IC is an invalid command. Type HELP for help. (1:35am) [ Area: MindVox / Forum: Convergence ] (? for Menu) [Main Menu]: Sent (4 chars): irc Received (5 chars): irc Received (177 chars):   *** Connecting to port 6667 of server csa.bu.edu Sent (12 chars): /join #leri Received (7 chars): Received (62 chars): /join #leriReceived (125 chars): *** Welcome to the Internet Relay Network, ahawks *** ïur host is csa.bu.edu, running version 2.7.2g.ID Received (512 chars):  1:36 [1] ahawks * type /help for help *** If you have not already done so, please read the new user information with +/HELP NEWUSER *** This server was created Wed Jan 13 1993 at 20:10:06 EST *** There are 942 users and 392 invisible on 139 servers *** 67 users have connection to the twilight zone *** There are 369 channels. *** I have 32 clients and 1 servers MOReceived (382 chars): TD - csa.bu.edu Message of the Day -  MOTD - This is the BU *Client* server. MOTD - Use this server instead of csd.bu.edu MOTD -  MOTD - If you do not connect to this server with a valid user@host MOTD - you will be /kill'ed unless you have a good reason. * End of /MOTD command. *** CHANNEL #leri : Unknown command Sent (12 chars): /join #leri Received (101 chars): /7 [1] ahawks * type /help for help jReceived (26 chars): oin #leriReceived (140 chars): on #mindvox * type /help for help *** ahawks has joined channel #mindvox Received (225 chars): *** Topic: Myndvox!  leri * type /help for help *** ahawks has joined channel #leri *** Topic: jinkies...DReceived (7 chars): Received (57 chars):  Á¡!!DReceived (140 chars): hmm...clarify...D There he is! Sunset's back!DSent (17 chars): /leave ##mindvox Received (132 chars):  hey andy :)D hey andy!DReceived (410 chars):  1 , n: a Hindu theistic philosophy teaching the suppresion fD+all activity of the body, mind, and will in order that the self may realizeD+its distinction from them to attain liberationD I gotta go read mail. I'll be right back.DReceived (263 chars): *** Signoff: SCOTTO (Leaving)D*** oblio has changed the topic on channel #leri to The Celebration is AboutD+To Begin!D/leave ##mindvoxSent (5 chars): hey! 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From now on, I have to ditch here at 1am, about 1 hr 20 Received (272 chars): minutes,  minutes, every night because of backups> 3. From now on, I have to ditch here at 1am, about 1 hr 20 minutes, everyD+night because of backupsDReceived (103 chars):  [and 1 -> means people dont babble unless necessary]DReceived (7 chars): Received (78 chars):  and: login to where?DReceived (79 chars):  logging - ie keeping logs, jDReceived (7 chars): Sent (52 chars): yeah, logging..mitch - i got here thru pmf still... Received (64 chars):  oh...natch :)DReceived (54 chars): yeah, logging..mitch - i got here thru pmf stilReceived (125 chars): l...> yeah, logging..mitch - i got here thru pmf still...DReceived (214 chars):  andy.. can you not log at al, or is it just bad quality?D40 [1] ahawks on #leri * type /help for help Sent (52 chars): lags getting better, but it's in spurts it seems... Received (6 chars): lags gReceived (166 chars): etting better, but it's in spurts it seems...> lags getting better, but it's in spurts it seems...DSent (74 chars): mitch - very bad - I have no free disk space, so I have to autolog in pmf Received (17 chars): mitch - very bad Received (227 chars): - I have no free disk space, so I have to autolog inautolog in pmf> mitch - very bad - I have no free disk space, so I have to autolog in pmfDReceived (81 chars):  rez are you still thereDReceived (77 chars): *** cabal has joined channel #leriDReceived (7 chars): Sent (50 chars): pmf lag has control characters and vt100 stuph... Received (5 chars): pmf lReceived (163 chars): ag has control characters and vt100 stuph...> pmf lag has control characters and vt100 stuph...DSent (9 chars): oops log Received (85 chars):  where do pmf autologs get stored..DReceived (92 chars): oops log> oops logDSent (41 chars): on my system...now i'm using 11 megs.... Received (86 chars):  control characters i can deal with,DReceived (203 chars): 1 [1] ahawks on #leri * type /help for help  i get those too.Don my system...now i'm Received (127 chars): using 11 megs....> on my system...now i'm using 11 megs....DReceived (54 chars):  yesDReceived (7 chars): Received (114 chars):  andy: in the near future, what can you do with all that stuff -DReceived (7 chars): Received (112 chars):  i have to jump out and back in. hold the line. stuff's Afoot!DReceived (7 chars): Received (94 chars):  maybe mail it to me i'll fwd it to someone,DReceived (7 chars): Received (73 chars):  get it on an ftp site?DReceived (7 chars): Sent (39 chars): I haven't even checked who's here....! Received (80 chars): *** Signoff: oblio (Bad link?)DReceived (146 chars): I haven't even checked who's here....!> I haven't even checked who's here....!DSent (27 chars): ftp site would be cool.... Received (13 chars): ftp site woulReceived (109 chars): d be cool....> ftp site would be cool....DReceived (173 chars):  rez: if you see this - please start stating what you were going toD+thrash out tonight,DReceived (7 chars): Received (145 chars):  just us chickens, massa....D re the future of thingsDReceived (7 chars): Sent (38 chars): i don't even know if it'll mail ok... Received (8 chars): i don't Received (136 chars): even know if it'll mail ok...> i don't even know if it'll mail ok...DReceived (184 chars): *** SCOTTO has joined channel #leriD2 [1] ahawks on #leri * type /help for help Sent (9 chars): rez left Received (85 chars): rez left> rez leftDSent (11 chars): hey scotto Received (8 chars): hey scotReceived (139 chars): to> hey scottoD Jerk.DReceived (196 chars):  ok andy - _is_ there anything you can forward to me, which can goD+straight onto an ftp site somewhere?DReceived (7 chars): Received (80 chars): *** FreeSide has joined channel #leriDReceived (7 chars): Sent (18 chars): yeah, i guess.... Received (79 chars): yeah, i guess....> yeah, i guess....DReceived (25 chars): Sent (10 chars): hey fs... Received (88 chars): hey fs...> hey fs...DSent (11 chars): /who #leri Received (27 chars): /who #leriReceived (67 chars):  rez will be backDReceived (474 chars): Channel Nickname S User@Host (Name)D#leri FreeSide H mengwong@POBOX.UPENN.EDU (!id FreeSide)D#leri SCOTTO H MOORE7004@iscsvax.uni.edu (!id )D#leri cabal H fly@coyote.geog.buffalo.edu (Paul Fly)D#leri ahawks H mindvox@phantom.com (!id Andy Hawks)DReceived (71 chars): #leri mitch H Unknown@tiger.itc.univie.ac.at (130.102.72.92)Received (321 chars): D#leri jesse H jesse@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (Jesse Davis)D#leri RScorpio H daemon@BRADENVILLE.ANDREW.CMU.EDU (decster.uta.edu)D Hey ho, FreeSide.DReceived (89 chars):  What's going on on #cyberpunk?DSent (44 chars): MARK! Didn't see ya there, bud....whassup? Received (179 chars):  <---- is impressed at y'all for being able to talk here and writeD+on fc at the same time.DReceived (262 chars): 3 [1] ahawks on #leri * type /help for help MARK! Didn't see ya there, bud....whassup?> MARK! Didn't see ya there, bud....whassup?DReceived (7 chars): Received (289 chars): andy, main reason i sent you n msgs getting you here was because REZD+for once had something Big he wanted to discuss here,D but he hasnt said what it is.DReceived (7 chars): Received (94 chars):  nuttin muich...just hangin, and strumminDReceived (7 chars): Sent (39 chars): mitch - i haven't checked my maill...! Received (22 chars): mitch - i haven't checReceived (124 chars): ked my maill...!> mitch - i haven't checked my maill...!DReceived (114 chars):  just got here ... just read Time ... much discussion.DSent (65 chars): strummin - cool...sill doin the band hing now that yer in tejas? Received (11 chars): strummin - Received (187 chars): cool...sill doin the band hing now that yer in tejas?> strummin - cool...sill doin the band hing now that yer in tejas?DReceived (81 chars):  ok, heres a question...DReceived (169 chars):  andy - you have about 10 msgs est saying 'get over here to irc', fromD+var people..DSent (69 chars): mitch - i was stuck sending fc stuff, didn't check my private box... Received (7 chars): Received (16 chars): mitch - i was stReceived (190 chars): uck sending fc stuff, didn't check my private box...> mitch - i was stuck sending fc stuff, didn't check my private box...DReceived (87 chars):  what's leri's current adress?DReceived (175 chars):  penguin.gatech.eduD4 [1] ahawks on #leri * type /help for help Received (89 chars):  ok... is it just leri of is it leri-l?DReceived (60 chars):  -lDSent (23 chars): leri-l@iscsvax.uni.edu Received (7 chars): Received (372 chars): leri-l@iscsvax.uni.edu> leri-l@iscsvax.uni.eduD yeah...we're in the band-by-mail writing stage right now. again,D+writing songs faster than we'll ever record them!D thanks...DReceived (7 chars): Sent (10 chars): isn't it? Received (88 chars): isn't it?> isn't it?DReceived (63 chars):  *buzz* wrongDReceived (7 chars): Received (77 chars): *** oblio has joined channel #leriDSent (40 chars): scorp - cool..where's the keyboard guy? Received (7 chars): Received (148 chars): scorp - cool..where's the keyboard guy?> scorp - cool..where's the keyboard guy?DSent (9 chars): rehi rez Received (85 chars): rehi rez> rehi rezDReceived (66 chars):  rez, ok!DReceived (155 chars):  hey hey heyD prolly' why my last subscribe didn't work!DReceived (68 chars):  lets do itDSent (99 chars): MARK I was hacking CU tonite - discovered CU Line and looked up yer log in the student directoyry! Received (61 chars):  hey rezDReceived (113 chars): 5 [1] ahawks on #leri * type /help for help MARK I Received (323 chars): was hacking CU tonite - discovered CU Line and looked up yer ld up yer log in the student directoyry!> MARK I was hacking CU tonite - discovered CU Line and looked up yer log inD+the student directoyry!DReceived (87 chars):  should we bop over to cIRCle?DReceived (104 chars):  fly told me it was just leri...! He'll pay for that!DReceived (84 chars):  i kjnow scotto hates it...DReceived (7 chars): Received (81 chars):  but specificity might be nice.DReceived (7 chars): Received (63 chars):  maybe.. rez,DReceived (7 chars): Received (72 chars):  (or may nopt matter.)DReceived (253 chars): Gimme a break.D he stayed home this year (Louisville), takin time off like I did,D+he'll be heading back to Caltech in the fall.DReceived (7 chars): Received (98 chars):  it depends if people are talking here already..DReceived (7 chars): Received (84 chars):  see andy's taling with rscorpio..DReceived (114 chars):  BTW, it'll be just leri when we move to pyramid.DReceived (99 chars):  i dont know how many convos he can hold at once.DReceived (7 chars): Received (80 chars):  Andy, was I even on there?DReceived (7 chars): Received (197 chars):  scotto: when will that happen? any idea?D6 [1] ahawks on #leri * type /help for help Received (168 chars):  well people... time for me to turn in.... to what I will find outD+when I am doneDReceived (7 chars): Sent (69 chars): i can hold an infinite convos - mark and i can always email, too.... Received (233 chars):  well, i want to talk (me personally) SPECIFICALL about that timeD+article slash influx of Fresh Horses to the net slash interzine slash etcDReceived (206 chars): i can hold an infinite convos - mark and i can always email, too....> i can hold an infinite convos - mark and i can always email, too....DReceived (34 chars):  No idea, actually.Received (43 chars): DSent (52 chars): mark ÅAH! Home address and phone and everyhing... Received (6 chars): mark Òeceived (166 chars): EAH! Home address and phone and everyhing...> mark ÅAH! Home address and phone and everyhing...DReceived (71 chars): *** Signoff: cabal (Leaving)DReceived (7 chars): Sent (22 chars): rez - cool with me... Received (20 chars): rez - cool with me..Received (92 chars): .> rez - cool with me...DReceived (53 chars):  byDReceived (117 chars): *** mitch has changed the topic on channel #leri to Infinite convosDReceived (7 chars): Received (54 chars):  ...DReceived (7 chars): Received (87 chars):  so, rez, are you happy to talk here?DReceived (7 chars): Received (192 chars):  or worried about losing the thread?D7 [1] ahawks on #leri * type /help for help Sent (66 chars): MARK - still haven't asked In Phase...or CU IDs and INs hackable? Received (71 chars):  well, what the fuck,DReceived (18 chars): MARK - stilReceived (189 chars): l haven't asked In Phase...or CU IDs and INs hackable?> MARK - still haven't asked In Phase...or CU IDs and INs hackable?DReceived (72 chars):  if everyoine else is.DReceived (7 chars): Received (67 chars):  lemme do a whoisDReceived (7 chars): Received (56 chars):  i am.DReceived (7 chars): Received (7 chars): Received (53 chars): 7 people.DSent (22 chars): oops are not or, mark Received (7 chars): Received (112 chars): oops are not or, mark> oops are not or, markDReceived (54 chars):  ok.DReceived (7 chars): Received (64 chars):  what the fuckDReceived (7 chars): Sent (37 chars): so, are we moving to circle or what? Received (69 chars):  anyone recieviung?DReceived (234 chars): brb -- have to use [shudder] the phoneDso, are we moving to circle or what?> so, are we moving to circle or what?DReceived (66 chars):  (ie, capturing)DReceived (7 chars): Received (101 chars):  cIRCle etc isnt secret, so can be Openly DiscussedDSent (5 chars): yeah Received (49 chars): ås.DReceived (84 chars): yeah> yeahDReceived (99 chars): *** Signoff: FreeSide (deeeeeedoooooodaaaachachchchchch)DReceived (7 chars): Sent (10 chars): capturing Received (88 chars): capturing> capturingDReceived (78 chars):  we are going to circle now?DReceived (106 chars): 8 [1] ahawks on #leri * type /help for help Received (61 chars):  so cIRCle?DReceived (7 chars): Received (56 chars):  Why?DReceived (7 chars): Sent (52 chars): but it'll look shitty if it can't be fixed right... Received (1 chars): bReceived (171 chars): ut it'll look shitty if it can't be fixed right...> but it'll look shitty if it can't be fixed right...DReceived (171 chars): *** Action: jesse drops an ephedrine in anticipation of entertaining questionD+approaching...DSent (47 chars): rez - did u see, I haveta ditch in an hour.... Received (7 chars): Received (365 chars):  because people bop onto leri for other reasons than to hearD+semi-specific banter about the nature of the net.Drez - did u see, I haveta ditch in an hour....> rez - did u see, I haveta ditch in an hour....DReceived (120 chars):  andy: we'll just delete the stuff, i have lots of practice with that.DReceived (7 chars): Received (57 chars):  yeah./DReceived (7 chars): Received (74 chars):  hour shhould be enough,DReceived (62 chars):  saw.DReceived (84 chars):  for something to get done.DReceived (7 chars): Sent (61 chars): mitch ok, cool.....tmorrow i'll send you all the old shit... Received (160 chars):  And don't you think it would be nice for us to be here when they bopD+on?DReceived (197 chars): mitch ok, cool.....tmorrow i'll send you all the old shit...> mitch ok, cool.....tmorrow i'll send you all the old shit...DReceived (75 chars):  lets try #cIRCle,DReceived (78 chars):  to avoid the random factor.DReceived (7 chars): Received (102 chars):  ahawks: what system is the limiting factor for you?DReceived (7 chars): Received (66 chars):  i'm with mitch.DSent (28 chars): scotto you can stay on both Received (230 chars): 9 [1] ahawks on #leri * type /help for help scotto you can stay on both> scotto you can stay on bothDReceived (144 chars): *** Signoff: RScorpio (Bad link?)D andy - what is old shit,DReceived (7 chars): Received (97 chars):  just this one time, to see if it's worhtwhile.DReceived (7 chars): Received (91 chars):  just old logs or other stuff too?DReceived (57 chars):  ÅAH!@DReceived (7 chars): Received (73 chars):  scotto. stay on both,.DSent (13 chars): jesse - huh? Received (7 chars): Received (94 chars): jesse - huh?> jesse - huh?DReceived (74 chars):  for that mater, scotto,DReceived (7 chars): Sent (41 chars): mitch - all my logs i haven't mailed you Received (1 chars): mReceived (149 chars): itch - all my logs i haven't mailed you> mitch - all my logs i haven't mailed youDReceived (91 chars):  our servers let us auto.,monitor anyway.DReceived (7 chars): Received (55 chars):  ok..DReceived (7 chars): Received (161 chars):  Does that mean everytime I write something, it goes out to bothD+channels?DReceived (7 chars): Received (107 chars):  andy: which system is cicking you off in an hour?DReceived (90 chars):  ie, i still hear leri's chatter.DSent (3 chars): no Received (73 chars): no> noDReceived (54 chars):  no.DReceived (7 chars): Received (71 chars):  How does that work?DReceived (74 chars): just the one you're JOINed to.DReceived (7 chars): Received (54 chars):  (k)DReceived (7 chars): Received (68 chars):  ok. JOIN "circle.DReceived (7 chars): Received (60 chars):  go ahead.DReceived (7 chars): Sent (34 chars): you can /msg #channel, i think... Received (97 chars):  how does he join another without leaving leri?DReceived (143 chars): you can /msg #channel, i think...> you can /msg #channel, i think...DReceived (193 chars):  then se if you see stuff from here.D50 [1] ahawks on #leri * type /help for help Received (85 chars):  And I'm not still joined to leri?DReceived (7 chars): Received (54 chars):  no.DSent (31 chars): your /niovice has to be off... Received (7 chars): Received (177 chars): your /niovice has to  well,Dbe off...> your /niovice has to be off...DReceived (17 chars): Received (78 chars):  unless you're on right now.DSent (37 chars): and you could be joined to 2 cannels Received (7 chars): Received (142 chars): and you could be joined to 2 cannels> and you could be joined to 2 cannelsDReceived (60 chars):  My what?DReceived (7 chars): Received (7 chars): Received (50 chars): watch.DReceived (68 chars):  here i go.DReceived (62 chars): ie set /novice offDReceived (7 chars): Received (57 chars):  watch.DReceived (7 chars): Received (65 chars):  keep blabbing.DReceived (7 chars): Sent (5 chars): blab Received (53 chars): blab> blabDSent (5 chars): blab Received (24 chars): Sent (5 chars): blab Received (77 chars): blab> blabDReceived (159 chars):  you can do that for us..Dblab> blabDReceived (91 chars):  It didn't work when I typed novice off.DReceived (7 chars): Sent (5 chars): blab Received (4 chars): blabReceived (73 chars): > blabDReceived (61 chars):  Blob DobbsDSent (8 chars): /help ? Received (7 chars): Received (65 chars):  what happened?DReceived (512 chars): /help ?*** HELP choices:D! # ADMIN ALIAS ASSIGN AWA›[KDBASICS BIND BÅ CD CHANNEL CLEARDCOMMANDS COMMENT CONNECT CTCP DATE DCCDDEOP DESCRIBE DIE DMSG DQUER  ECHODENCRÐT ETIQUETTE EXEC EXIT FLUSH HELReceived (512 chars): PDHISTOR  IF IGNORE INFO INTRO INVITEDIRCII JOIN KICK KILL LASTLOG LEAVEDLINKS LIST LOAD LUSERS MAIL MEDMODE MOTD MSG NAMES NEWS NEWUSERDNICK NOTE NOTICE NOTIF  ON OPERDent (7 chars): 2blab3 Received (512 chars): HPART QUER  QUIT QUOTE REDIRECT REHASHDRESTART RULES SAVE SA  SEND SERVERDSET SIGNOFF SLEEP SQUIT STATS SUMMONDTIME TOPIC TRACE TÐE USERS VERSIONDWAIT WALL WALLOPS WHILE WHO WHOISDWHOWAS WINDOW XReceived (360 chars): ECHO DHELP Topic: 21 [1] ahawks on #leri * type /help for help blab3*** No help available on 2blab3: Use ? for list of topicsDHELP Topic: Received (91 chars):  It said unknown client command.DReceived (74 chars):  unknown command right..DReceived (8 chars): Sent (17 chars): might be newuser Received (67 chars):  /set novice offDReceived (9 chars): mReceived (298 chars): ight be newuser*** No help available on might: Use ? for list of topicsDHELP Topic:  Just fuck it. If they can't find us, fuck 'em. Let's ditch.DSent (6 chars): oh... Received (69 chars):  that worksDReceived (183 chars): oh...*** No help available on oh...: Use ? for list of topicsDHELP Topic: Sent (1 chars): Received (34 chars): Received (103 chars):  Not for me it don't.DSent (18 chars): might be /newuser Received (1 chars): mReceived (103 chars): ight be /newuser> might be /newuserDReceived (60 chars):  oh well..DSent (14 chars): /help newuser Received (7 chars): Received (13 chars): /help newuserReceived (512 chars): *** Help on NEWUSERDD NEW USER INFORMATION FOR IRCDDThis file contains some caveats for people new to IRC. It is not aDguide to commands for IRC. For a brief guide to commands for newDusers, see /HELP INTRO.DDSReceived (512 chars): ee /HELP ETIQUETTE for a guide to good manners on IRC.DDIRC is an international network servicing 20 or more countries. ThereDare over 2000 registered users, and a similar number of regularDunregistered users. Do not expect everybody to speak English.DDThe primary means of identification is currently Received (512 chars): by nickname. This canDbe modified with /NICK, and registered with NickServ. (/MSG NickServ HELPDfor information on NickServ). Note, however that some nicknames areDduplicated, and some people will impersonate others by using theirDnicknames. If you have any doubts about the identity of somebody usingDa given nick, use /WHOIS NickName tReceived (250 chars): o find out more. This gives detailedDinformation on the person using the NickName. For example, if youD******** Hit any key for more, 'q' to stop ********Sent (1 chars): Received (107 chars): are getting abusive messages from "Fred", type:DReceived (512 chars): D/WHOIS FredDDIf the information displayed is not the same as that which you wouldDexpect for Fred, it is probably a case of impersonation.DDRecently some users have been tricking others into allowing them toDcontrol their IRC sessions or damaging their files. If somReceived (512 chars): ebody asksDyou to type a command and you don't know what it does, useD/HELP CommandName to find out more about it first. In particular,D/ON has been used to cause trouble and is now initially disabledDfor new users. Additionally, /QUI is short for /QUIT and willDterminate your IRC session. If you see any message asking you toReceived (512 chars): Dtype /QUI or /QUIT, ignore it.DDSome new users have been baffled by "CTCP" messages appearing onDthe IRC session. These are messages from other users, asking yourDclient to perform some service for them. They are generallyDgenerated by somebody typing in a CTCP command. See /HELP CTCP.Deceived (123 chars): rD******** Hit any key for more, 'q' to stop ********Sent (1 chars): Received (122 chars): If you have not already done so, read the HELP files INTRO andDReceived (512 chars): ETIQUETTE.DDHELP Topic:  off to circle now?D hello?D circie: @oblioD > ok.D #leri(ahawks) blabD shal we go?D #leri(mitch) you can do that for us..eceived (512 chars): 1;22rD #leri(ahawks) blabD #leri(ahawks) blabD > i'm talking.D #leri(SCOTTO) It didn't work when I typed novice off.D > you don't hear me,D #leri(ahawks) blabD #leri(mitch) Blob DobbsD >Received (127 chars): clumducks!!D #leri(mitch) what happened?DReceived (63 chars):  > blah blah.DReceived (442 chars): #leri(SCOTTO) It said unknown client command.D > here i go back.D > join #leriD #leri(mitch) unknown command right..D see?D2 [1] ahawks on #leri * type /help for help Sent (1 chars): Received (58 chars): Received (60 chars):  let's go.DReceived (55 chars): bye.DSent (14 chars): /join #circle Received (3 chars): /joReceived (27 chars): in #circleReceived (337 chars): *** ahawks has left channel #leriD* type /help for help on #circle * type /help for help *** ahawks has joined channel #circleDReceived (14 chars): Received (61 chars):  we're hereDReceived (7 chars): Received (78 chars):  lemme get a drink of water.DReceived (72 chars): *** jesse has joined channel #circleDSent (13 chars): /whois jesse Received (7 chars): Sent (17 chars): Hey there jesse! Received (29 chars): /whois jesseSent (13 chars): /who #circle Received (99 chars): *** jesse is jesse@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (Jesse Davis)DReceived (338 chars): *** on channels: #circle D*** on irc via server jesse (ronkite.ocis.temple.edu :Temple University -D+Philadelphia, PA, USA)DHey there jesse!> Hey there jesse!DReceived (29 chars): /who #circleReceived (602 chars): Channel Nickname S User@Host (Name)D#circle jesse H jesse@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (Jesse Davis)D#circle ahawks H mindvox@phantom.com (!id Andy Hawks)D#circle oblio H REZABEK103@iscsvax.uni.edu (!id )D#circle mitch H Unknown@tiger.itc.univie.ac.at (130.102.72.92)D#circle SCOTTO H@ MOORE7004@iscsvax.uni.edu (!id )DReceived (7 chars): Sent (11 chars): it worked! Received (4 chars): it wReceived (159 chars): orked!> it worked!D ok, so we're all here.DReceived (93 chars): andy: what's the limiting factor on time for you?DReceived (55 chars): shoot, rez.DReceived (7 chars): Sent (13 chars): jesse 1 hour Received (12 chars): jesse 1 hourReceived (82 chars): > jesse 1 hourDReceived (84 chars):  He's on his way back as we type.DReceived (7 chars): Sent (36 chars): we can continue tomorrow, whenevrer Received (54 chars):  ok.DReceived (246 chars): 3 [1] ahawks on #circle * type /help for help we can continue tomorrow, whenevrer> we can continue tomorrow, whenevrerDReceived (80 chars):  andy: but what system?DSent (26 chars): jesse - what do you mean? Received (91 chars):  THOUGHTS AFTER READING THE TIME ARTICLE:DReceived (127 chars): jesse - what do you mean?> jesse - what do you mean?DReceived (56 chars):  oops.DReceived (7 chars): Received (93 chars):  [andy: hown long does nyx shitdown ;last?]DSent (66 chars): my home system that my modem is connected to goes down in an hour Received (7 chars): Received (34 chars): my home system that my modem is coReceived (166 chars): nnected to goes down in an hour> my home system that my modem is connected to goes down in an hourDReceived (68 chars):  [shutdown]DSent (15 chars): "shitdown" =) Received (98 chars): "shitdown" =)> "shitdown" =)DReceived (95 chars):  re: THOUGHTS AFTER READING THE TIME ARTICLE:DReceived (7 chars): Received (56 chars):  Heh.DReceived (7 chars): Sent (31 chars): ok..thoughs on TIME....ok...=) Received (8 chars): ok..thouReceived (122 chars): ghs on TIME....ok...=)> ok..thoughs on TIME....ok...=)DReceived (180 chars):  ok...that's what i needed to know....if it was another system I couldD+find you access here...DReceived (90 chars):  oblio, go on. [i havent read it]DReceived (7 chars): Received (80 chars):  [saw some of the FC threasds]DReceived (7 chars): Received (199 chars):  1: there may well be an influx of eager beavers from out in theD+cultural wasteland that is available for youths.DReceived (7 chars): Received (180 chars):  how will they "influx"?D4 [1] ahawks on #circle * type /help for help Received (121 chars):  2: netters on already may begin to check out "cyber" areas of thought.DReceived (7 chars): Received (56 chars):  (sic)DReceived (7 chars): Received (101 chars):  the internet, anyhow, isnt that easy to rush onto.DReceived (7 chars): Sent (70 chars): agreed on both...the Well will get some newbies out of the article... Received (9 chars): agreed onReceived (227 chars): both...the Well will get some newbies out of the article...article...> agreed on both...the Well will get some newbies out of the article...DReceived (98 chars):  imagine a hitcher with a sign: INTERNET OR BUSTDReceived (7 chars): Received (36 chars):  is mindvox mentioned?Received (43 chars): DReceived (164 chars):  usenet?D5 [1] ahawks on #circle * type /help for help Sent (24 chars): no, shoulda been tho... Received (23 chars): no, shoulda been tho...Received (93 chars): > no, shoulda been tho...DSent (10 chars): on bot... Received (298 chars):  3: the consistencies within the virt culture of "cyberpunks" orD+cyberspace, if worth their salt, should NOT be depoendant on the trappings ofD+the kitsch that's visible.DReceived (3 chars): on Received (85 chars): bot...> on bot...DReceived (93 chars):  rez, your 3 is not clear at first reading.DReceived (7 chars): Received (105 chars):  4: there IS use for e-zines which discuss these ideas.DSent (21 chars): "kitsch" thesaurus? Received (7 chars): Received (110 chars): "kitsch" thesaurus?> "kitsch" thesaurus?DSent (37 chars): depoendat = despondant or dependent? Received (8 chars): depoendaReceived (134 chars): t = despondant or dependent?> depoendat = despondant or dependent?DReceived (78 chars):  kitsch = tacky but popular.DReceived (7 chars): Received (198 chars):  5: there IS use for irc's which are "steered" towards meta-discussionD+on the net and virt culture "as a whole."DReceived (7 chars): Received (166 chars):  dependentD6 [1] ahawks on #circle * type /help for help Received (167 chars):  6: interjection: this is all self-serving claptrap on my part. honestyD+first. :)DReceived (7 chars): Received (97 chars):  hmmm..based on #5, clarify "these ideas" in #4DReceived (7 chars): Received (54 chars):  so.DReceived (67 chars):  go ahwad.DReceived (64 chars):  ahead.DReceived (7 chars): Received (26 chars):  oh... shit.Received (36 chars): DReceived (7 chars): Received (63 chars):  re-phrase 4.DReceived (86 chars):  and clarify #3 in general...DReceived (7 chars): Received (102 chars):  #3: "consistencies" what does that refer to.DReceived (115 chars):  i'm trying to recall. i didn't WRITE THESE DOWN! are you wacky?!DSent (27 chars): what the fuck hold up..... Received (109 chars): rez do you have scrollback? so you can see what you wrote?DReceived (221 chars): w7 [1] ahawks on #circle * type /help for help hat the fuck hold up.....> what the fuck hold up.....DReceived (61 chars):  lemme see.DReceived (7 chars): Received (56 chars):  Heh.DReceived (7 chars): Received (73 chars):  yep, i seem to. wait. DReceived (7 chars): Sent (41 chars): brb...putting rez's 6 parts in buffer... Received (65 chars):  "clarify #4.":DReceived (7 chars): Sent (53 chars): /away Exiting this dimension for a second....brb... Received (150 chars): brb...putting rez's 6 parts in buffer...> brb...putting rez's 6 parts in buffer...DReceived (232 chars): /away Exiting this dimension for a second....brb... (away) on #circle * type /help for help  and "consistencies in 3:"DReceived (88 chars): *** ïu have been marked as being awayDReceived (165 chars):  3: the consistencies within the virt culture of "cyberpunks"D+orDReceived (222 chars): +cyberspace, if worth their salt, should NOT be depoendant on theD+trappings ofD >search mode<DReceived (78 chars):  +the kitsch that's visible.DReceived (7 chars): Received (182 chars):  just lemme check 4 first.D8 [1] ahawks (away) on #circle * type /help for help Received (103 chars):  [ps has anyone transcribed the TIME article for fc?]DReceived (7 chars): Received (113 chars):  4: there IS use for e-zines which discuss these ideas.DReceived (7 chars): Received (87 chars):  "these ideas", which - j asked that.DReceived (7 chars): Sent (103 chars): mitch - partly....SHIT, i forgot to save it...DAMN! Info overload today...dan...damn...ytthijhtthkjhg Received (12 chars): mitch - partReceived (326 chars): ly....SHIT, i forgot to save it...DAMN! Info overload toverload today...dan...damn...ytthijhtthkjhg> mitch - partly....SHIT, i forgot to save it...DAMN! Info overloadD+today...dan...damn...ytthijhtthkjhgDReceived (173 chars): *** Inzane has joined channel #circleD ok. 4: USE FOR E-STUFF DISCUSSING AUTO.NET stuff.DReceived (375 chars):  Howdy, Inzane. Welcome to Meta-Hell.D9 [1] ahawks (away) on #circle * type /help for help  ie, forums discussing the nature/role of the net and the interactionsD+of its denzeins.DReceived (7 chars): Received (113 chars):  ok. 3: D if i may...DReceived (104 chars): andy, are you losing log sutff? orwill pmf save you??DReceived (101 chars):  the "consistencies should not be based on kitsch."DReceived (7 chars): Sent (94 chars): yes - constantly and consistently reexamining virtual culture is necessary and vital i think. Received (65 chars):  this is hell?DReceived (18 chars): yes - constReceived (512 chars): antly and consistently reexamining virtual culture is necere is necessary and vital i think.> yes - constantly and consistently reexamining virtual culture is necessaryD+and vital i think.D*** jesse has changed the topic on channel #circle to Boring. ïu Don't WantD+To Be Here. Really.D are there such forumReceived (46 chars): s already.DReceived (7 chars): Received (75 chars):  (just to be safe)DReceived (226 chars):  jesse: åehah!D i have found resonances between the supposed "cyberfolks" and my ownD+tendencies.DReceived (7 chars): Sent (19 chars): alt.culture.usenet Received (75 chars):  what sort of resonances?DReceived (109 chars): 2:00 [1] ahawks (away) on #circle * type /help for help Received (106 chars): alt.culture.usenet> alt.culture.usenetDSent (23 chars): oops alt.cult to mitch Received (114 chars): oops alt.cult to mitch> oops alt.cult to mitchDReceived (111 chars):  (jess: oh, great. THAT'll draw em in like FLIES!!! :)DReceived (56 chars):  *heh*DReceived (7 chars): Received (57 chars):  (hah!)DReceived (7 chars): Received (109 chars):  i was thinking FC, maybe CÂSÓ-L or principia cyberneticaDReceived (7 chars): Received (91 chars):  consider this, then, re: incoming new...DSent (9 chars): arachnet Received (7 chars): Received (85 chars): arachnet> arachnetDReceived (120 chars):  resonances: music, films, tastes, even, to a certain extent, clothes.DReceived (87 chars): [we can always just set the channel to pvt]DReceived (7 chars): Sent (41 chars): arachnet = discussion of virtual culture Received (34 chars): arachnet = discussion of virtual cReceived (116 chars): ulture> arachnet = discussion of virtual cultureDReceived (77 chars):  [what does arachnet _do_?]DReceived (7 chars): Received (190 chars):  [gnet - they havent answered yet]D1 [1] ahawks (away) on #circle * type /help for help Received (172 chars):  but: after fleshmeeting folks from LERI (even if they are somehow aD+different bunch) DReceived (7 chars): Sent (48 chars): i dunno...very anal, un-leri and not like fc... Received (85 chars): *** Inzane has left channel #circleDReceived (1 chars): iReceived (247 chars): dunno...very anal, un-leri and not like fc...> i dunno...very anal, un-leri and not like fc...D [gnet = global net access]DReceived (179 chars):  when usenet was prominent, mailing lists were the quiet,D+more-or-less-by-invitation spots...DReceived (7 chars): Received (209 chars):  i find that the resonances are largely invisible, but HIGHL›[KD+"cue-able" by stuff in the native environ. books, music, etc.DReceived (114 chars):  i think IRC is to mlists as mlists are to usenet.DReceived (64 chars):  [potentially]DSent (46 chars): SPECIALIZATION INDIVUDALIZATION are keys here Received (7 chars): Received (160 chars): SPECIALIZATION INDIVUDALIZATION are keys here> SPECIALIZATION INDIVUDALIZATION are keys hereDReceived (200 chars):  now, it's more irc (now that mailing lists are readily available,D+thanks in part to resources like the FC FAQ)...DReceived (69 chars):  "cueable"??DReceived (7 chars): Received (64 chars):  Where now...?DReceived (7 chars): Received (182 chars):  the thing is, 1: the only "Ideal" CyberPunk should ever be seen as aD+fabrication in a magazine.DReceived (7 chars): Received (62 chars):  (Á andy!)DReceived (106 chars): 2 [1] ahawks (away) on #circle * type /help for help Sent (3 chars): =) Received (9 chars): =)Received (244 chars): > =)D you gnow how fashoin meshes: these things cvould easily (and are)D+bleeding into rave culture.DReceived (7 chars): Received (91 chars):  (Andy providing filters w/in filters :))DReceived (7 chars): Sent (93 chars): irc is more attractive then mlists in part because the community is smaller and more focused Received (80 chars):  Can I ask a question?DReceived (393 chars): irc is more attractive then mlists in part because the community is sunity is smaller and more focused> irc is more attractive then mlists in part because the community is smallerD+and more focusedD now... here's on ehting:DReceived (7 chars): Received (61 chars):  fire away.DReceived (223 chars): (scotto: yes.D although note how new this phenomenon is...D Why are we discussing this?DReceived (71 chars):  j: which phenomenon?DSent (16 chFrom Mitchell.Porter@lambada.oit.unc.edu Thu Feb 4 22:05:13 1993 Received: by lambada.oit.unc.edu (5.57/TAS/11-16-88) id AA19005; Thu, 4 Feb 93 22:05:13 -0500 Received: from nyx.cs.du.edu by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA26294; Thu, 4 Feb 93 22:19:03 -0500 Received: from lambada.oit.unc.edu by nyx.cs.du.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01283; Thu, 4 Feb 93 20:19:52 MST X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of Denver. The University has neither control over nor responsibility for the opinions or correct identity of users. Received: by lambada.oit.unc.edu (5.57/TAS/11-16-88) id AA18826; Thu, 4 Feb 93 22:02:48 -0500 Message-Id: <9302050302.AA18826@lambada.oit.unc.edu> Subject: File servers To: future@nyx.cs.du.edu Date: Thu, 4 Feb 93 22:02:46 EST From: Mitchell Porter X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL65] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text Content-Length: 295 Attention everyone who wants to make certain files available by email: obviously Andy is running out of space at Nyx. There are two alternative locations I can think of: IRC bots such as LearyBot (#drugs) and CyberBot (#CyberPunk). the file server at smiley@uiuc.edu (send msg body 'help'). i even have IDEAS! tmDSent (47 chars): why are we here then if it doesn't interest us Received (102 chars):  I'm curious *why* it interests you tonight.DReceived (233 chars): why are we here then if it doesn't interest us> why are we here then if it doesn't interest usD TIME article.DReceived (62 chars):  apparently.DReceived (7 chars): Received (64 chars):  hm. question.DReceived (7 chars): Received (185 chars):  because i read the article tonight and it strikes me that the onlyD+truly resident VIRTUAL CULTURE,DReceived (7 chars): Sent (136 chars): more than that for me...I consider myself part of the cyber-generation, post-mtv...interactive mtv...I want to kno where it's headed... Received (109 chars): m4 [1] ahawks (away) on #circle * type /help for help ore than Received (422 chars): that for me...I consider myself part of the cyber-generatio-generation, post-mtv...interactive mtv...I want to kno where it's here it's headed...> more than that for me...I consider myself part of the cyber-generation,D+post-mtv...interactive mtv...I want to kno where it's headed...DReceived (344 chars):  andy: re irc community - there is hard;ly such a thing,D or at least its pretty SMALL>D does self-reflection within a phenomenon produce the cutting edge ofD+that phenomenon?DReceived (61 chars): (pompous thought)DReceived (178 chars): if i'm to be "studying" them, is first and foremost the cyberpunk v.c,D+whatever THAT is, :)DReceived (106 chars):  j: what is only truly 'resident' [?] virtual culture..?DReceived (7 chars): Received (77 chars):  andy: read your own essay.DReceived (7 chars): Sent (91 chars): mitch - ÅS! there's virtual coommunities in irc...Regulars..>WE are a community in irc... Received (59 chars):  mitch: ?DReceived (16 chars): mitch - Òeceived (305 chars): ES! there's virtual coommunities in irc...Regulars..>WE are ..>WE are a community in irc...> mitch - ÅS! there's virtual coommunities in irc...Regulars..>WE are aD+community in irc...DReceived (83 chars):  as for where its headed..DReceived (54 chars):  ok.DReceived (54 chars): so.DReceived (208 chars):  j: i was quoting you, asking what you referring to.D5 [1] ahawks (away) on #circle * type /help for help Received (78 chars):  we are 4 or so individuals.DReceived (7 chars): Received (85 chars):  hardly a community, if you ask me.DReceived (7 chars): Received (83 chars):  just on numerical grounds alone.DReceived (7 chars): Sent (125 chars): mitch =) we're making it now, via this conversation...we're impacting where it's going, now matter how futile this may seem Received (46 chars): mitch =) we're making it now, via this converReceived (336 chars): sation...we're impactine impacting where it's going, now matter how futile this may seem> mitch =) we're making it now, via this conversation...we're impacting where