From - Wed Jan 14 17:05:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.UU.NET by mrco.carleton.ca (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA29287; Tue, 9 Feb 93 01:30:06 EST Received: from nyx.cs.du.edu by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA16515; Tue, 9 Feb 93 01:30:08 -0500 Received: by nyx.cs.du.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA27410; Mon, 8 Feb 93 23:30:22 MST From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (andy) Message-Id: <9302090630.AA27410@nyx.cs.du.edu> X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of Denver. The University has neither control over nor responsibility for the opinions or correct identity of users. Subject: FutureCulture Digest #221 To: future-digest@nyx.cs.du.edu Date: Mon, 8 Feb 93 23:30:21 MST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] X-Mozilla-Status: 8001 ______________________________________________________________________ |______________ / | | / | | u t u r e <___________ u l t u r e | _______________________________________________________________________| Issue #221 Monday, February 8th 1993 Today's Topics: --------------- (MO) "Who needs a keyboard when you have brainwaves?" "Who needs a keyboard when you have brainwaves?" Future of the Matrix Re: 14 black paintings... Re: Co-housing Re: Passion Sources, cont. re: what's hot and what's not (fwd) - ICB? re: what's hot and what's not (fwd) - ICB? re: what's hot and what's not (fwd) - ICB? (fwd) send faq __________________________________________________________________________ Subject: re: what's hot and what's not (fwd) - ICB? Date: Mon, 8 Feb 93 19:12:01 EST From: Mitchell Porter > the way to go ... and then, of course, carry discussion into forums like > IRC, ICB and the like. what's ICB? ______________________________ From: swisher@cs.utexas.edu (Janet M. Swisher) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1993 18:40:51 -0600 Subject: Re: Co-housing >From: mcarpent@ecn.purdue.edu (Matthew A Carpenter) > but many people I know >are in the world to get bigger and better things, like a large house >by the time they are say 35. One of the things that make co-housing appealing is that it is supposed to be cheaper to go into a co-housing deal than to build your own house with all of the amenities co-housing provides. I think this is why the first part of the US where it has taken off is in California, where in many areas, even highly-paid computer professionals cannot even dream of affording to buy a house (that's why they have such nice cars). And besides, isn't that sort of bourgeois materialism supposed to be passe in the 90's? :-) >The idea makes sense, but I have a feeling that >there are two problems with this in good 'ol america : 1) the lower income >populus that this would be ideal for in inner city life, where crowding, etc >is rampant, don't seem to get along well enought to operate this kind of a >housing project effectively or coorperatively; Whoa, be careful making generalizations about classes of people! People respond to the situations they find themselves in. One of the major mistakes of public housing in this country was concentrating it in areas nobody else wanted, often 15-20 stories deep, instead of a scattered-site approach. Is it any wonder public housing projects become festering holes when they're isolated from job opportunities and community amenities? In contrast, great improvements have been made in housing projects where residents have been given greater control over running it. Cf. also poor people who've acquired their own homes through Habitat for Humanity projects. People respond accordingly to how they're treated. >and 2) the middle/upper class >are trying to make it into higher levels of society to AVOID being cramped. I doesn't *have* to be cramped; it all depends on how your group decides to do it. But houses are likely to be smaller when certain of their functions are served by a community facility. Also consider that family sizes are generally shrinking. My husband and I recently bought a 1500 sq. ft. house (modest by US standards), and it's hard for me to imagine two people *really needing* much more space than this just for living--especially if they had communal access to a billiard room :-) I agree that co-housing tends to go against our culture's theme of rugged individualism and everyone for themselves. But I think that theme has been overplayed, and that many of our social problems are related to a lack of feeling of community. Co-housing seems like a step in a good direction. (Of course, having just bought my own house, no way in hell I'm selling it to move into co-housing ;-) Not for a few years anyway.) >Just think, in maybe >say 10 or so years, the new dorms might even have ETHER running to each room >along with the HDTV!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Looks at university administration, >and laughs histerically to himself) (BTW, at *some* universities, the dorms have ethernet in each room *today*. It's not so far-fetched.) Janet ______________________________ From: sdelmont@conicit.ve (Sebastian Delmont (U...U...UCV)) Subject: Re: Passion Sources, cont. Date: Mon, 8 Feb 93 20:52:02 AST | I had heard that Mr. N'Dour has recently died. The rumor(?) was ^^^^ WHAT!!!??????? Where did you heard that? If it's true, it would be a shame! :( Can anyone confirm (Or better yet, deny) this info? -- |%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%| * * Life starts at '030, |%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%| * = Sebastian Delmont = * gets fun at '040, | ***** | * * impotency at '86. | ** ** | * * /// |###############| * VENEZUELA * \\\/// Only Amiga |###############| * * \XX/ makes it possible! "From the pain come the dream, from the dream come the vision, from the vision come the people, and from the people come the power. ______________________________ From: this!mcarpent@ecn.purdue.edu ______________________________ From: StevenJ Subject: re: what's hot and what's not (fwd) - ICB? Date: Mon, 8 Feb 93 18:49:02 CST ______________________________ From: the!mcarpent@ecn.purdue.edu ICB is just like IRC ... 'cept different. It's completely based in the US-space of cyberspace so it is somewhat limited in its CMCS scope. But, very nice folk to meet there, as well. It stands for Internet CB channel thingy or some such thing. Steve J. White homoNuevo ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The goal of science is the destruction aragorn@convex.csd.uwm.edu of all mystery." - B.F. Skinner aragorn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu ______________________________ From: sdelmont@conicit.ve (Sebastian Delmont (U...U...UCV)) Subject: Re: 14 black paintings... Date: Mon, 8 Feb 93 20:54:06 AST | sebastian quotes in his .sig: | | > "From the pain come the dream, from the dream come the vision, | > from the vision come the people, and from the people come the power. | > From this power come the change" | > Fourteen Black Paintings, _Us_ Peter Gabriel | | could be my favorite song on the album... but i wondered. seems like he left a | crucial line out: | | "From the change come the pain." -------------------------------------------------------------------- ïu're right, it closes the circle (A vicious one ;) -- |%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%| * * Life starts at '030, |%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%| * = Sebastian Delmont = * gets fun at '040, | ***** | * * impotency at '86. | ** ** | * * /// |###############| * VENEZUELA * \\\/// Only Amiga |###############| * * \XX/ makes it possible! "From the pain come the dream, from the dream come the vision, from the vision come the people, and from the people come the power. ______________________________ From: this!mcarpent@ecn.purdue.edu ______________________________ Date: Mon, 8 Feb 93 19:11 CST From: GSULLIVAN@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu Subject: send faq Me again, did I do it right this time? Gail gsullivan@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu ______________________________ Date: Mon, 8 Feb 93 11:52:42 EST From: "Ric Knight (416)474-3734" Subject: (MO) "Who needs a keyboard when you have brainwaves?" *** Forwarding append from NEWSCLIP FORUM of 11:41:14 on 93/02/08 >>>>> Opinions expressed here are my own and not those of IBM. <<<<< ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- From the Home Range of Buffalo ---- ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----- NEWSCLIP FORUM appended at 11:41:14 on 93/02/08 GMT Subject: "Who needs a keyboard when you have brainwaves?" Source: BW, 2/15/93, pg 104D, Ed. Paul Eng Japan's Fujitsu Ltd and Hokkaido Univ. researchers have started experiments o can computers be controlled by brainwaves alone? - in the 1st phase, 12 electrodes are attached to subjects heads - they are instructed to control by thought - whether a panel in front of them displays red or green o all that's been measured so far is some kind of electrical activity that starts at the back of the brain, followed quickly by a response in front - researchers will press forward using more sensitive monitors . superconductive quantum interference devices, or Squids - it should be able to locate more precisely where the activity happens o 'one key goal will be to differentiate between positive and negative reactions' =-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-= | _____//____\\ | SE-System Programmer| | ___/~````\/`~~`\/ Warm Regards, | IBM Canada Ltd| | ((/ ( -00- ) _ | Phone: (416) 474-3734| | | \ / |_) | Pager: (416) 609-5498| | \ | \ |oo| | \ic | Tie line 241| | | /"" ---| /\~~ |/ | | | || || || || |\night | BUFFALO @ TOROVM1| | ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ | RIC@VNET.IBM.COM| =-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-= ______________________________ Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1993 21:54:43 -0400 (AST) From: APACE@mta.ca (TON PACE) Subject: Re: Co-housing Our school has has both cable TV and ethernet hookups in every room on campus. Not to mention some of the grottiest rooms in any university that you can imagine... Just so you know, Tony Pace. apace@mta.ca ______________________________ Subject: re: what's hot and what's not (fwd) - ICB? (fwd) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 93 22:02:47 EST From: Mitchell Porter > ->what's ICB? > > ICB is just like IRC ... 'cept different. It's completely based in the > US-space of cyberspace so it is somewhat limited in its CMCS scope. But, > very nice folk to meet there, as well. It stands for Internet CB channel > thingy or some such thing. cmcs? are there 'icb servers' one can telnet o,or something like that? ______________________________ Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1993 22:43:45 EST From: deh1@Lehigh.EDU (Darrel Herbst) Subject: Future of the Matrix People spoke before of the mass integration that will occur come the advent of ISDN, yeah well I remember when they said the same thing about the Modem. What happened from that big hullabaloo? Not much, I say. Sure, I will grant you that a select few have joined Compu$erve, or even the likes of Prodigy, but who are these people? For the most part they are those who already were in some computer-related field in the first place. Those who took hold of the new edge of communication probably already had it in the first place. Either someone that was involved in the Internet in the first place, or who already knew about modeming and such. In fact, I haven't heard much at all about PC_Pursuit anymore, so it seems to me as though some aspects of computer integration have made no progress at all. In fact, I approached my University's telecommunications department to ask them if I could get a token-ring line/jack activated in my dorm room (because I have an extra TR card laying around) and I was told "we probably won't do it. ïu need to understand how hard the telecom people are here at Lehigh University, they just love their digital phone system, and to me, it doesn't sound like an unreasonable request because the copper is already in place. So why isn't the Matrix (tm) evolved yet? Well, there's no money in it. The average Joe isn't ready to shell out his hard earned dough to something he doesn't know how to use/understand. Why? Go figure. What's so great about ISDN anyway? There's no market yet. I think that development in this country (US) needs some re-thinking sometimes. Maybe I am wrong, so yell and scream all you want. But, the US is a mish-mash of basically a market economy. So far there's no market for ISDN that I can think of... the only people who even care seem to be myself and anyone who has access to future-culture, alt.cyberpunk, or anyone else on the Internet... compare that to the vast population of the US and you have a pretty small percentage I should say, (again, maybe I am wrong, but I don't feel wrong). I'm just sort of disillusioned at the whole process. I would like to live in the future, I want other people to want it too. To all those who dislike the whole Time/Wired controversy: why fight it? If you read this e-list, is it not our moral imperative to extend the public's knowledge? Who do you think you communicate with when you post a message? The answer is the rest of the world. If you want to know why I went off like this, it's because an arts/science major (there's no such thing as Liberal Arts at Lehigh University) asked me for the billionth time why I would possibly want to be an engineer, and why I would waste my time learning 'all that math crap' when a 'business major' person would end up making just as much money, probably more in the end. Some people just don't understand education. _________________________________________________________________________ | | | That's all for today! | | To send a message to the list: future@nyx.cs.du.edu | | To subscribe/unsubscribe/change format: future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu | | All other requests: future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu | | List Maintainer is: (andy [aka hawkeye]) ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu | |_________________________________________________________________________| | | | The opinions expressed in FutureCulture are those of the individual | | author only. | |_________________________________________________________________________|