From - Wed Jan 14 15:24:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.UU.NET by mrco.carleton.ca (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA22984; Thu, 4 Feb 93 01:34:03 EST Received: from nyx.cs.du.edu by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA15332; Thu, 4 Feb 93 01:30:10 -0500 Received: by nyx.cs.du.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15685; Wed, 3 Feb 93 23:30:11 MST From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (andy) Message-Id: <9302040630.AA15685@nyx.cs.du.edu> X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of Denver. The University has neither control over nor responsibility for the opinions or correct identity of users. Subject: FutureCulture Digest #211 To: future-digest@nyx.cs.du.edu Date: Wed, 3 Feb 93 23:30:10 MST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: RO X-Mozilla-Status: 8001 ______________________________________________________________________ |______________ / | | / | | u t u r e <___________ u l t u r e | _______________________________________________________________________| Issue #211 Wednesday, February 3rd 1993 Today's Topics: --------------- A quick note on a L.A. Epublisher cultral notes CyberRag IdEAL ORDER Psychic TV Resumes Normal Jamming Schedule Opinions of Wired... Re: IdEAL ORDER Psychic TV Resumes Normal Jamming Schedule Re: MORE-ON MEDIA (fwd) Re: Time, Article for your reading pleasure. Re: Alfred Korzybski Re: GAYS, THE FUTURE, CYB Re: Hacking the Brainstim Re: MORE-ON MEDIA Re: Opinions of Wired... Re: Religion again.... Re: time flies (was re: time mag artcl) Re: your mail Religeon, Sex, Drugs and CNBC religion Religion again.... the tao of pierced CNBC talkshow hosts The Time article THESIS: Spatialization of Info TIME approaching to be WIRED with HYPERTEXT (newbie fwd =) time flies (was re: time mag artcl) TIME keeps on slippin, trippin, skippin into the futureculture TIME to GOOOoooo! [Floyd ref.] Time, Article for your reading pleasure. Well it's happening __________________________________________________________________________ From: "Spam@tin.supermarket.tescos" Subject: Re: Hacking the Brainstim Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1993 17:14:05 +0000 (GMT) Spam, spam, egg and Murali : => =>:Any one interested in the subject of neural hacking, or who just want =>:to read a good book by a cool science fiction writer, read =>:_Snow Crash_ by Neil Stephenson. I give it two thumbs up. :) => => Make that four. :-) _SnowCrash_ is one of the best pieces of =>c-punkish stuff that I've read. It's almost-kinda a parody of the =>genre (on the first page there's a line about how the Protaganist's =>clothes are as black as charcoal, filtering out the light, or =>something like that...it's very pseudo-cliche, but kinda funny...) =>Definitely worth a read - one of my faves. Make that 6! - Excellent read, lost of fun, lots of light piss-taking, but some really excellent ideas. Does anyone know if any of the neurolingistic hacking that occurs in the book is based on any sort of real research or is it just interesting ideas on the part of the author. The stuff about Babel sounds so good that I started to wonder if anyone does believe anything of that ilk. Spam. ______________________________ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 93 22:26:45 +0100 From: cardell@lysator.liu.se Subject: Time, Article for your reading pleasure. I just noticed, that the writer of the TIME article on cyberpunk used the word "canonical" in the [hacker] canonical way. Check the jargong file if you don't believe me. :) Who is the writer anyway? mikael cardell S P U N K P R E S S ______________________________ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 93 16:42:42 EST From: majcher@acsu.buffalo.edu (Murali) Subject: Time, Article for your reading pleasure. :I just noticed, that the writer of the TIME article on cyberpunk used :the word "canonical" in the [hacker] canonical way. Check the jargong :file if you don't believe me. :) Who is the writer anyway? Philip Elmer-Dewitt. I though the article was all-right, for a lame-o's guide to C-punk for losers. Tried to hit _everything_ in 8 pages (with lotsa pretty pictures), and the pseudo-"hypertext" color-keyword descriptions in the margin that the Mondo Guide uses. Not bad, but nothing to wet yourself over. Murali majcher@acsu.buffalo.edu "I am forever in your debt!" New Edge Consulting Services | "Nonsense...how can a friend P.O. Box 156, Amherst, NY 14226 | be in debt?" Voice: (716) 834-1648 -From Russia With Love ______________________________ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 93 14:00:50 -0800 From: Unpleasant Chameleon Subject: Re: MORE-ON MEDIA Oh God, not another lapse into "I was into it before it was trendy"-mode. You should be enjoying the subversion of a culture when something goes from "underground" to "mainstream." And, if it is watered down and not in original form, so be it. At least the envelope has been pushed a little wider. In the case of "rave clothes" becoming popular, at least we don't have to look at that surfwear garbage anymore. _Wired_ is going through major distributors? Good! That way, "the word" will get out to the average mall rat, etc. People are thereby brought into the fold. If we are to be selfish with our ways, what good are they? They will amount to nothing more than an isolated, atrophied "meme." Sit back and enjoy. Fan the flames. They tried that "drop out" shit in the 60s and it didn't work. Turn on, tune in, and take over. Or, to raise another counterculture ghost, "Revolution for the Hell of it!" (You'll have to excuse me, I'm on a lot of Abbie Hoffman right now. But you should be too!) - My name is Grim and I am a net.lurker. Received: from lambada.oit.unc.edu by mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/MCL.UCSB-HP-16.5) id AA07679; Tue, 2 Feb 93 19:20:46 -0800 Return-Path: Received: by lambada.oit.unc.edu (5.57/TAS/11-16-88) id AA24490; Tue, 2 Feb 93 20:26:40 -0500 Message-Id: <9302030126.AA24490@lambada.oit.unc.edu> Subject: Re: MORE-ON MEDIA (fwd) To: ugrimly@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu Date: Tue, 2 Feb 93 20:26:40 EST >From: Mitchell Porter X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL65] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text Content-Length: 976 Forwarded message: >From ugrimly@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu Tue Feb 2 15:01:17 1993 Message-Id: <9302022014.AA28167@hub.ucsb.edu> Date: Tue, 2 Feb 93 12:14:09 -0800 >From: Unpleasant Chameleon To: Mitchell.Porter@lambada.oit.unc.edu Subject: Re: MORE-ON MEDIA (fwd) Somebody said: suppose you achieve "publicity".. what then? ie what are your goals? GRiM sez: As for direct goals, don't need em. Meta-quasi-goal: jam media message. The publicity is coming whether you like it or not, so you may as well try to control it, no? What are the inputs to the machine of media and how much "truth" is there in its output? How easy is it to distort from outside? If the eaters of the Black Meat are exposed to something that is not average, regular news, which has lost meaning in its context, sees something so out of the context they are used to seeing, will some sort of spark be generated in their somnambulist cranium? Something to think about. -- GRiM ______________________________ From: sdw@meaddata.com (Stephen Williams) Subject: Re: Religion again.... Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1993 15:15:53 -0500 (EST) > > Hmmm...after reading several answers to my question about people's > religious preference, there seems to be an inclination toward Eastern, > Pagan, and non-religion. I find the people who are Wiccans to be an > unusual group for future culture. I dunno, it's probably just ignorance > but...Don't Wiccan's have a "spiritual" connection to Mother Earth and > all that? I mean, it seems kinda wierd that someone who has so much love > and connction with Gaia that he/she wouldn't be into some other > group with great interests in technology and the advancement of such. > Speaking of which, what place DOES nature have in the future. I see a > lot of talk about great networked societies, virtual reality, smart > drugs, and all that, but where does nature fit in? Depends on your confidence that technology can solve problems or not. I feel that with true cyberspace, video dialtone, etc., it won't matter for most of us where we work in relation to the company we're working for. There could be a mass exodus from cities to rural areas, oceans, space, etc. Only shipping and recreation/education should produce much travel. That would eliminate huge amounts of pollution from workers and their offices. Put on you eyephones and chording keyboard, if not jack in, while you take a walk thru your forest.... or lie in your economy basement-or-loft apartment. > > -Juggler > > -------------------------------------------------------- > | Juggler | This space available | > | IH23@utep.BITNET | for rent to a mult- | > | IH23%utep@utepvm.ep.utexas.edu| million $ fascist | > |******************************************|corporation| > | Sysop of Three Ring Circus (915)564-0026 |------------ > -------------------------------------------- > My school has nothing to do with me. EVER. > sdw -- Stephen D. Williams Local Internet Gateway Co.; SDW Systems 513 496-5223APager LIG dev./sales Internet: sdw@world.std.com CIS 76244.210@compuserve.com OO R&D Source Dist. By Horse: 10028 Village Tree Ct., Miamisburg, OH 45342 GNU Support ICBM: 39 34N 85 15W I love it when a plan comes together ______________________________ From: ahawks (E) Subject: Re: Religion again.... Date: Wed, 3 Feb 93 16:03:32 MST New fresh-scented *Juggler* (150% real fruit juices!) says: | |Hmmm...after reading several answers to my question about people's |religious preference, there seems to be an inclination toward Eastern, |Pagan, and non-religion. I find the people who are Wiccans to be an |unusual group for future culture. I dunno, it's probably just ignorance |but...Don't Wiccan's have a "spiritual" connection to Mother Earth and |all that? Yeah....I'd say Wicca is a fairly broad term, there seem to be many persuasions, interpretations, subsets, etc, from what little I know about it..... For example, an ex-girlfriend of mine is a priestess in a group (I call it a group, but it's a definite pagan religion) called Knights of the Pendragon, which centers around Arthurian Legend, and wicca is important in that....So is the Goddess, Mother Earth, stpuh... |I mean, it seems kinda wierd that someone who has so much love |and connction with Gaia that he/she wouldn't be into some other |group with great interests in technology and the advancement of such. |Speaking of which, what place DOES nature have in the future. I see a |lot of talk about great networked societies, virtual reality, smart |drugs, and all that, but where does nature fit in? First of all, I haven't mentioned my religion... I'm supposedly a catholic, which actually means "not religious, except for when your Grandma visits at Christmastime"..... I consider myself a Chaotic Monist...(how's that for some po-mo constructionism? =).....Think about it next time you trip, and those of you that don't trip, don't think about it and you'll eventually understand... =) Either way......=) As far as nature goes, I think this will be the next massive Giant Leap for Mandkind, following the eventual synergy between man and machines... Just think if Frank Llyod Wright (sp?) was a cyberneticist and futureculturist in the 21st century - that's how I view nature's role in the future.....Ie, genetic engineering, making 100 trees out of 1 seed in a bizarre Brave New World [disOrder] come-real.... Hey, am I the first one to notice that floating meme? has anyone ever seen the connection between Brave New World ~ New World Order... Ah, I've tackled part of the conspiracy it would seem...The Hidden Agenda is Revealed! Rant aside, por favor..... [but wait, what connection does New Order the group have with the above conspiracy? Ah! New Order arose out of Joy Divison....Joy Division, in other words, is the dissemination of freedom in Eastern Europe, marking the end of the Put-a-Coat-On War....See? Joy Division, happy freedom, individualization..... Then comes the New Order! YET! New Order has broken up, and now we have Electronic (AH!!!), Revenge, and The Other Two....Mark my words, the futre can be revelaed through the understanding of the socio-political relevance of the musical groups Electronic, Revenge, and The Other Two... 808 State ties in there as well, definitely....And where do the Pet Shop Boys enter the picture? hmm...But now New Order is back together, and, SYNC, there last single was entitled World in Motion... Need I say more! DESTIN-E.......] Wow, Straight from the unconscoious, through the vibes of the matrix.... Watch the energy squirm in flux.....aeon flux, rather... Nature will eventually morph as well as man, and has constantly and consistently been doing so, just has man has (man is nature, by goddess!)...The more man morphs, the more man wil evolve nature, the more nature will in turn morph man....the Infinite Ricochet, (essential concept in Chaotic Monism) is seen once more..... "have you killed us yet today?" - Chaotic Monist bumper sticker.... Maybe I'll start the Church Of Inevitable Chaotic Monists (note, it's 5 words...5, 23, it all fits in the interzones of your mindstyle)... Just think for yourself....which, despite rumor, *is* possible if you're a Chaotic Monist.... |-Juggler | |-------------------------------------------------------- || Juggler | This space available | || IH23@utep.BITNET | for rent to a mult- | || IH23%utep@utepvm.ep.utexas.edu| million $ fascist | ||******************************************|corporation| || Sysop of Three Ring Circus (915)564-0026 |------------ |-------------------------------------------- | My school has nothing to do with me. EVER. ^^^a statement that could be made by a chaotic monist -- ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu FutureCulture: In/f0rmation ahawks@mindvox.phantom.com future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu ______________________________ Subject: IdEAL ORDER Psychic TV Resumes Normal Jamming Schedule Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1993 12:07:31 -0500 (EST) From: idealord I'm back from my residency at the Atlantic Center for the Arts and have resumed my regularly scheduled illuminative "jamming" of the network news broadcasts. Specifically -> Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and Friday - ABC Evening News -> Thursday - CBS Evening News Again - The Thursday CBS Evening News is being zapped so that skeptical viewers may discern the difference between zapped and non-zapped broadcasts. Anyone interested in a text file about this process can email me at: idealord@dorsai.com See you on TV! Jeff Harrington IdEAL ORDER idealord@dorsai.com ______________________________ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 93 15:27:54 PST From: mark@ganymede.apple.com (Mark Baldwin) Subject: Re: Time, Article for your reading pleasure. what is the jargong file? -mark. ______________________________ Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1993 18:31:51 EST From: bhd0@Lehigh.EDU (-heather) Subject: Religeon, Sex, Drugs and CNBC Just so I can respond to everything in one fell swoop.... Religeon and sex... q:what's the biggest problem with being an athiest? a:there's nobody to talk to when you have sex... As far as rerligeon goes... well, I don't know. I guess that makes me agnostic. If my grandmother had her way I'd be catholic. But right now I believe in the miracles of modern technology, and lean a lot towards the Tao of Pooh (great book, BTW, read it). Perhaps there's a name for it... which reminds me, anyone out there into the Dianetics thing? I've been thinking about reading it... Drugs... I had some friends who thought it would be great to mix DMSO with acid and put it on the handles of cop car doors. They got as far as having the dmso... but, then again, one of them has return adress lables saying "International Arms and Hashish CNBC... did anyone watch last night about the BBS sex? it aws interesting... Tattoos, etc... I'm still not sure what I'd get, but I got some good ideas from all of you, thanks. If the world of Job markets wasn't so old fashioned, I might get tattoos and piercings all over, but I do need to make money to live, much to my dismay... -h ______________________________ Subject: Re: GAYS, THE FUTURE, CYB From: david.brooks@cutting.hou.tx.us (David Brooks) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 93 0:46:00 -0600 ______________________________ From: the!Unpleasant PF> Also highly PF> recommended by me is his book _Dhalgren_, an 800 page (or so) PF> masterpiece PF> of the english language, imho, to put it mildly... And, to tie this in PF> with the thread, his characrters are often gay or bisexual. You mean to say someone has actually read _ALL_ of _Dhalgren_??? =) David david.brooks@cutting.hou.tx.us * Q-Blue v0.7 [NR] * ---- +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | The Cutting Edge BBS (cutting.hou.tx.us) A PCBoard 14.5a system | | Houston, Texas, USA +1 713 466 1525 running uuPCB | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ ______________________________ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 93 16:03:14 PST From: mark@ganymede.apple.com (Mark Baldwin) Subject: Re: IdEAL ORDER Psychic TV Resumes Normal Jamming Schedule please mail me info on this! thanX... -mark. *((B) ______________________________ From: ahawks (E) Subject: TIME keeps on slippin, trippin, skippin into the futureculture Date: Wed, 3 Feb 93 17:24:34 MST New fresh-scented *John Frost* (150% real fruit juices!) says: | |Howdy, |off to read the TIME cyberpunk article and was generally |impressed cut by heavy disappointment in a few areas. I was impressed. I read it for the first time today. I *read* it, I didn't grep it. I didn't know TIME could be so RELEVANT. |Anyway, my wetware is about to crash from exhaustion but I |thought I would type in as much of the article as I could. If |someone could take up where I leave off, that would be (ugh) |mondo kewl. Environmental descriptions are surrounded by |"<< >>" and ed: notes are surrounded by "[ ]"'s. "Hypertext" |imitations are set off by two indents. ENJOY! | |[The following article is copied without permission] Shame! Shame! You know, now I have to kill you. |<> I like the picture. It's a cool construction, nice appropriation, good play on modernity ~ Gernsback Continuum. [oops, sorry for the Gibson ref. I won't do it again. You know, now I have to kill me. Shame Shame.] |By Philip Elmer-Dewitt |Time, February 8, 1993 The story begins on p. 58. Nice sync-askewed with the date. You *must* talk about the cover. I'm sure most have seen it by now. It's a painting (doesn't even like like it was done on a Mac, it looks...*real* Got some s-type hacker-loze with short black hair with sony headphones that come over his right eye. On the right eye is this, oh, how shall we put this delicately, DUMB-ASS little glass plate with the most famous Ruckerism on there. Just so he never forgets he's a c-punk, he's got the -ism in front of his eye, so he can go blind soon. He's also wearing a cheeze shirt, a mock PowerGlove (why? the hookup leads nowhere!), connected to some wires and crap. Above that, we've got: a pair of pliers, some sort of Moron's Screwdriver, a rubik's cube (which are actually pretty cool now, IMHO), the plate of what was once a pulse phone, and a couple probe thingies that I don't know what they are.... The cool part of the picture which redeems it for the cover (as opposed to some of the art in the art.) is the tripp-e aspects. CHECK HIS KEYBOARD! He's trippin', ladies and cybermen! I'm sure some here could vouch for the authenticity of the Inevitable Breathing KeyBoard. Also, it's one of those super-imp0zed looking double-shots, so he's facing us, and he's staring at his monitor in this purple-ish background. If you can take out the front image, he looks like Chief UmmaGumma with this giant head-thingy that loooks like a vulture carcus. I think he over made the picture has done shrooms. The font is imitation Shaston (or is it Geneva? crap - whichever one is the standard Mac font thats up on the FILE EDIT blahblah line of the finder...)...I'm sick of this font.... |In the 1950s it was the beatniks, staging a coffeehouse rebellion |against the 'Leave it to Beaver' conformity of the Eisenhower era. |In the 1960s the hippies arrived, combining antiwar activism with |the energy of sex, drugs and rock 'n' roll. Now a new subculture is |bubbling up from the underground, popping out of computer |screens like a piece of futuristic HYPERTEXT (see indentation). | | Hypertext - In this article, words printed in color [not |here] are defined or expanded upon in marginal entries coded to |the same color. In a computer hypertext article, electronic |footnotes like these actually pop up on the screen whenever you |point your cursor at a "hot" word and click the button of your |mouse. Ok, a note on these little one-dimensial pseudo-hypertexts.... My question is (and for the whole art. in general): HOW MUCH DID THEY PAY MONDO!?!? The whole thing is a giant, condensed appropriation of Mondo and Sirius' User's Guide..... |They call it cyberpunk, a late-20th century term pieced together |from CYBERNETICS (the science of communication and control |theory) and PUNK (an antisocial rebel or hoodlum). [Well I guess |we can stop the debatre on alt.cyberpunk now =) ] This reads like one of my Inevitable Posts to this Inevitable Thread on alt.cp....Though they have dictionaries, an I don't. They appropriated my mindstyle without asking me...damn...=) |Within this odd |pairing lurks the essence of cyberpunk culture. It's a way of |looking at the world that combines an infatuation with high-teck |tools and a disdain for conventional ways of using them. |Originally applied tooa school of hard-boiled science-fiction |writiers and then to certain semitough computer hackers, the word |cyberpunk now covers a broad range of music, art, psychedelics, |smart drugs and cutting-edge technology. The cult is new enough |that fresh offshoots are sprouting every day, which infutiated the |hardcore cyberpunks, who feel they got there first. "infutiates"....I don't have a dictionary...It was "infuriates" in the article... Hey, I guess we're a cult....See, see, the subliminal conspiray adherent in FutureCULTure....You're all flies in my web!!!! hahaha =) "Feel they got they're first"?? I didn't get that....Ref: my bubbles, things just morph a lot - no START/STOP points exist.... | Cybernetics -- Norbert Wiener of MIT was designing |systems for World War II antiaircraft guns when he realized that hte |critical component in a control system, whether animal or |mechanical, is a feedback loop that gives a controller information |on the results of its actions. He called the study of these control |systems cybernetics (from Kybernetes, the Greek word for |Helmsman [Anybody want to deconstruct this one]) and helped |pave the way for electronic brains that we call computers. Timothy Leary, I believe, already has in StRS (Storm Real Stud) | Punk -- Cyberculture borrows heavily from the |rebellious attitude of punk music, sharing with such groups as the |Sex Pistols a defiance of mainstream culture and an urge to turn |modern technology against itself. | |Stewart Brand, editor of the hippe-era 'Whole Earth Catalog,' |describes cyberpunk as "technology with attitude." Science-fiction |writier Bruce Sterling calls it "an unholy alliance of the technical |world with the underground of pop culture and street level |anarchy." Jude Milhon, a cyberpunk journalist who writes under |the byline of St. Jude, defines it as "the place where the worlds of |science and art overlap, the intersection of the futureand now." best of the quotes, IMHO. St. Jude is cool....And, seriously, I don't say that just cuz she asked me to write for Mondo.... |What cyberpunk is about, says Rudy Rucker, a San Jose State |University mathematician who writes science-fiction books on the |side, is nothing less than "the fusion of humans and machines." Man, I've seen this Ruckerism pop up a lot lately, but I don't like it within the context of other Ruckerisms....I dunno, "fast and dense" fits in with this, but when you read other stuff by him, he gnows it's Inevitably So Much More, I don't see why everyone focuses on this one -- it's just what they want to hear, I guess, what people expect it to be.... |As in any counterculture movement, some denizens would deny |that they are part of a "movement" at all. Certainly they are not as |visible from a passing car as beatniks or hippies once were. |Ponytails (on men) and tattoos (on women) do not a cyberpunk |make What about scrotum pierces?? =) | -- though dressing all in black and donning mirrored sun- |glasses will go a long way. I only own a pair of RayBans, and I've only dressed in all-black once in the past couple months, which was for a poetry reading I did at school. wank. |ANd although the biggest cyberpunk |journal claims a readersh approaching 70,000, there are probably |no more than a few thousand computer hackers, futurists, fringe |scientists, computer savvy artists and musicians, and assorted |science-fiction geeks [hmmm where do I fit in] around the world |who actually call themselves cyberpunk. futurist, definitely. You're here. all the above fit into "futurist", actually. I don't even know if I call myself a cyberpunk...I don't in Real Life, but I'm sure I have when I was a newbie to the net.... Couple weeks ago I met this girl, and I rattled off the list of things I was In To, and when I got to cyberpunk she said "oh I have a friend who's a cyberpunk" and at that Space and Time it just hit me - these Time articles are BIBLES for people who are Not There Yet but are desperately seeking.... (nice way of saying wannabe) (i almost said poser, but at least posers look and act like whatever they're posing to be, wannabe is more masturbatory) |Nevertheless, cyberpunk may be the defining counterculture of the |compute age. It embraces, inspirit at least, not just the nearest |thirtysomething hacker hunched over his [sic] terminal but also |nose-ringed twentysomethings [wait - was that an insult???] what about scrotum-pierced people, damnit? I *nned* to gnow if cyberpunks will embrace me! |gathered at clandestine RAVES, teenagers who feel about the |Macintosh computer the way their parents felt about Apple |Records, and even preadolescent vidkids fused like Krazy Glue to |their Super NIntendo and Sega Genesis games -- they training |wheels of cyberpunk [Look Ma! no hands.]. Obsessed with |technology, especially technology that is just beyond their reach |(like BRAIN IMPLANTS), the cyberpunks are future oriented to a |fault. They already have one foot in the 21st century, and time is |on their side. In the long run, we will all be cyberpunks. [ugh - |Goddess Save Us All ] THEY will all be cyberpunks, but WE will have morphed. Inevitable Statement, brought to you by the Fresh-Scented One. (tm) | RAVES -- organized on the fly (sometimes by |electronic mail) and often held in warehouses, raves are huge, |nomadic dance parties that tend to last all night, or until the police |show up. Psychedelic mood enhancers and funny accessories |(white cotton gloves, face masks) are optionals. [what, no |ubiquitous Cat-in-the-Hat has?] at least they didn't mention the amn whistles.... You know what's funny though - has anybody been reading the rave lists? ON SF Raves, the attitude towards the e-mail comment, as expressed kinda by Brian B was, "*they're* [TIME] not on here, are they?" [in refence to the multitudes of media people, sometimes "informants" that seem to lurk on SFRaves].... On NE raves, I saw a post basically saying "wow, cool! how'd they find out? there's just SF Raves and NE raves, right?" Of course, there are *at least* 5 1-post-per-day-or-more real-time ravelists..... | BRAIN IMPLANTS -- Slip a microchip into snug |contact with your gray matter (a.k.a. wetware) and suddenly gain |instant fluency in a foreign language or arcane subject. Picture STOLEN from Mondo accompanies this blurb. (Stolen in the sense that they didn't change it at all - definitely NOT appropriation) |The cyberpunk look -- a kind of SF surrealism tweaked by coputer |graphics -- is already finding its way into galleries, music videos |and Hollywood movies. Cyberpunk magazines, many of which |are "zines," cheaply published by desktop computer and |distributed by electronis mail, are multiplying like cable-TV |channels. The newest, a glossy, big-budget [where'd all the |money go to?] entry called "WIRED," premiered last week with |Bruce Sterling on the cover and ads from the likes of Applie |Computer and AT&T [Boo... Hisss...]. hehehe...If WIRED ever labels itself cyberpunk, it will be destroyed because of that very fact. People who would label themselves cyberpunk don't like the death star at all, of course. |Cyberpunk music, including |ACID HOUSE and INDUSTRIAL, That stops the Inevitable Music Thread on alt.cp! =) | is popular enough to keep |several record companies and scores of bands cranking out CDs. |Cyberpunk-oriented books are snapped up by eager fans as soon |as they hit the stores. (Sterling's latest, "The Hacker Crackdown," |quickly sold out its first hard-cover printing of 30,000.) A piece of |cyberpunk performance art, Tubes, starring Blue Man Group, is a |hit off-broadway. And cyberpunk films such as "Blade Runner," |Videodromve, Robocop, Total REcall, Terminator 2, and The |Lawnmower Man have moved out of the cult market and into the |mall. Robocop, Total Recall, terminator 2, were not made for any sort of cult market....These were going to be COLOSSUL from the getgo. | Acid House -- White-hot danced music that falls |somewhere between disco and hip-hop. white-hot? whadda they mean by....OW! that burns! | INDUSTRIAL -- Mixing rhythmic machine clanks, |electornic feedback and random radio noise, industrial music is |"the sounds our culture makes as it comes unglued," says |cyberpunk writer Gareth Branwyn. Good quote....WHY IN THE *HELL* did they put a picture of a rave (or at the very least a trendy club) above this blurb? |Cyberpunk culture is likely to get a boost from, of all things, the |Clinton-Gore Administration, because of a shared interest in what |the new regime calls America's "data highways" and what the |cyberpunks call CYBERSPACE. What the cyberpunks call....hehe, this term has wedged itself into mainstream America, by now..... Nice to see mention of ISDN and stuff... |Both terms describe the globe- |circling, interconnected telephone network that is the conduit for |billions of voice, fax, and computer-to-computer |commmunications. The incoming Administration is focused on the |wiring, and it has made strenghtening the networks high-speed |data liks a priority. The cyberpunks look at those wires from the |inside; they talk of the network as if it were an actual place -- a |VIRTUAL REALITY that can be entered, explored and |manipluated. | | CYBERSPACE -- SF writier William Gibson |called it "a consensual hallucination ... a graphic representation of |data abstracted from the banks of every cojputer in the human |system." You can get there simply by picking up the phone. | | VIRTUAL REALITY -- An interactive technology that |creates an illusion, still crude rather than convincing, of being |immersed in an artificial world. The user generally dons a |computerized glove and a head-mounted display equipped with a |TV screen for each eye. Now available as an arcade game. That was cool, the "now an arcade game" thing, because I've been thinking that thats all I think virtual reality will be - the next Atari Pong.....PLus the added bonus of networking, communications, etc., but I think the focus is going to bemainly entertainment. |Cyberspace plays a central role in the cyberpunk world view. The |literature is filled with "console cowboys" who prove their mettle by |donning virtual reality headgear and performing heroic feats in the |imaginary "matrix of cyberspace. Many of the punks' real-life |heroes are also computer cowboys of one sort or another. |"Cyberpunk", a 1991 book by two New York TIMES reporters, |John Markoff and Katie Hafner, features profiles of three canonical |cyberpunk hackers, including Robert Morris, the Cornell graduate |student whose computer virus brought the huge network called the |internet to a halt. Nah, I was gonna say I'll type the rest, but I don't have the time either.... But, anyway, I'll continue on with my comments.... After this, they start to focus on virtual communities....Rheingold is mentioned... The WELL is butt-kissed...Talks about a guy on the WELL who killed himself after deleting all his posts on the WELL - I hadn't heard that before.....Suicide is an issue close to me, so I feel I can say what I'm gonna say with some knowledge: what attention-seeking foolishness! I feel sorry for the dead guy, but, jesus, destroying your posts on the net says to me that you are SO alone, netters your only friend, that you want attention so bad from them that you're willing to destroy your life literally to get it. If I were *truly* suicidal, I would kill myself tomorrow without doing anything to this list at all, or any other apstect of my life...It would continue to prosper, etc [the list, that is, not my life of course.... I don't know, it just gets to me, people killing themselves over attention... I don't see any relevance of that snippet they included, either, other than martyrdom to give Cyberpunk some sort of authority as being *Real*. Wank, it already is real. Ok, then they talk about flames, they talk about a conversation on the WELL saying "is there a cyberpunk movement"...They condense a post, which I think was made by gareth Branwyn, on a cyberpunk manifesto. This part was cool. They give cyberpunk, in it's TRUE identity no less, (ie, none of the confusion with new edge, technoculture, cybercultue, futureculture) a firm grounding to those in Kansas who are just picking up bits and pieces. They verge into slipstream with Burroughs, Pynchon, et al on the literary front. They talk about Mondo, they mention Negativland and Leary. They talk about TAZ and the User's Guide, and within the bounds of the User's Guide they bring up as many memes as possible that fit into the culture... And for all you "hate Mondo because it's not cyberpunk" Skinny-Puppy t-wearin folx out there, they say "much of mondo strains credibility". they talk about rants, ecstacy, nootropics, cryonics, fringe science (let's start using new science instead, as Mitch Porter said here awhile back), a-life, teledildonics (but they didn't use the word - just v-sex)...Then they get into Gibson some more, mentioning (or trying to) real-life simstims, they mention dystopia. My NAH-NAH-NAH-NAH note....Closing sentences: "Most of all they [cpunks] realize that if you don't control technology, it will control you. It is a lesson that will serve them -- and all of us -- well in the next century." NOW, ahem, didn't I say the closing sentence would be something like "Cyberpunks are here and now, but will they be here tomorrow?" I was on target, in light of te fact that this article was *positive* to a degree I wasn't expecting.....That, and the attempt to encompass all of the User's Guide in 4-5 pages, was what surprised me the most. Overall, I would say this is he best "outside-looking-in" article I've ever seen on the whole futureculture. The only thing I didn't like was the stealing of the Mondo format....They should've talked more about Wired, they should've gotten some of the cultural aspects straightened out (ie the industrial v. rave picture debacle), they didn't mention MindVox (ie, I dunno about you, but I think MindVox is more punk then the WELL, and *definitely* more cyberpunk).... Gareth Branwyn is gaining mainstream notariety, it seems, which is great.... They mentioned Nick herbet, Hakim Bey, whichh is cool.... They didn't shed a negative light on Leary, which is nice....Lots of fair reporting on the parts that [overly-maybe?] focused on Mondo... Yet, you gotta admit, Mondo is, until the second issue of Wired comes out at the *very* least, the foreground (not to be confused with forefront) of futreculture....(not no caps on futureculture, not to be confused with FutureCulture).... Decent article...If you've got a spare $2.95 I'd by the issue... NOW - the big question is, How will Wired respond to this article? IMHO it *has* to give it more than a 1-2 line mention....If it just gives it a negative response without solid (*SOLID*) reasoning, that will be the obligatory cyber-hacker piss-off response, which is inane, pointless, and terribly self-entrenched....And, if they ignore it, that will be almost even *more* self-entrenched.... *AND* what I want to know is how are Mondo and Wired going to relate to each other in the text of thier individual mags? This will be interesting to watch....If they don't, that will be completely wank - very 20th century, old school media (hehe TIME v. Newsweek no less, in which the only acknowledgement tey give of the big-competitor is bad news, financial difficulties, new editors-in-charge, or conceding the death of some reporter/journalist...ie, no "competitor watch" [sshh! don't even TELL people they exist!] - very un-cyberculture thing to do!) -- ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu FutureCulture: In/f0rmation ahawks@mindvox.phantom.com future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu ______________________________ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 93 18:31:36 EST From: majcher@acsu.buffalo.edu (Murali) Subject: Religion again.... :Speaking of which, what place DOES nature have in the future. I see a :lot of talk about great networked societies, virtual reality, smart :drugs, and all that, but where does nature fit in? Like my .sig used to say, "The Earth is our Mother -- but how many of us still live with our mothers?" :-) I dunno...it's a nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live here..._forever_... Murali majcher@acsu.buffalo.edu "I am forever in your debt!" New Edge Consulting Services | "Nonsense...how can a friend P.O. Box 156, Amherst, NY 14226 | be in debt?" Voice: (716) 834-1648 -From Russia With Love ______________________________ From: ahawks (E) Subject: TIME to GOOOoooo! [Floyd ref.] Date: Wed, 3 Feb 93 17:41:32 MST New fresh-scented *Murali* (150% real fruit juices!) says: | |:I just noticed, that the writer of the TIME article on cyberpunk used |:the word "canonical" in the [hacker] canonical way. Check the jargong |:file if you don't believe me. :) Who is the writer anyway? | | Philip Elmer-Dewitt. I think he's asking who *is* the writer, as in net.address, etc. No doubt in my mind the person is on the net, It's pretty obvious... They probably at the very least got a temp account on the WELL, subscribed to SFRaves, and then just left it....At the very least... | I though the article was all-right, for a lame-o's guide to |C-punk for losers. Come ON! "a lame-o's guide to C-punk for losers"? This is what I spoke about, the typical hacker response, to find every media mention negative, no matter what the content. You should like at: 1. Who their audience is in terms of age 2. Who their audience is in terms of background/economic status 3. Who their audeince is in terms of being receptive to new ideas ike this (ie, TIME is generally the more conservative of the periodical news rags, their appealing to an audeince of middle upper-middle white people aged 30-55) They weren't writing the article for you, me, people on the WELL, Mondoids, etc. | Tried to hit _everything_ in 8 pages (with lotsa |pretty pictures) The first picture was nice, the smart drugs picture was too big, and the sidebar pictures fit in perfectly with their hypertext theme. Their intent was to give a broad overview about the culture, which they did fairly accurately, non-biased. They don't have the time, space, or reader-interest to go more in-depth. |, and the pseudo-"hypertext" color-keyword |descriptions in the margin that the Mondo Guide uses. the underlieing approach here seemed to be "hey we need to get the idea across that this is the post-mtv soudbyte generation, so, what will be our schtick to get that acrorss? [thanks for the meme, rez] |Not bad, but nothing to wet yourself over. Except your wetware. Oooooo! [in a Tom Servo fashion] PS, anyone who has Intertek 3.3, I'm beginning to think Bruce Sterling light be right, and not just about Usenet. |Murali | | majcher@acsu.buffalo.edu "I am forever in your debt!" | New Edge Consulting Services | "Nonsense...how can a friend ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ what is this? what do you consult about? ["Yes, you should definitely invest in AfterDark." "No, no, no, the PowerGlove will be ancient in a couple years I tell you!"] | P.O. Box 156, Amherst, NY 14226 | be in debt?" | Voice: (716) 834-1648 -From Russia With Love -- ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu FutureCulture: In/f0rmation ahawks@mindvox.phantom.com future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu ______________________________ Date: Thu, 4 Feb 93 01:55:25 +0100 From: cardell@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: Time, Article for your reading pleasure. Well, Mark, the jargong file is nowadays also known as the Hacker's Dictionary as compiled by Eric S. Raymond, but since I know a lot of you people out there will disagree with me, it's also the file that, previous to the dictionary, was trying to collect all the hackerish words floating around. mikael cardell S P U N K P R E S S ______________________________ From: ahawks (E) Subject: cultral notes Date: Wed, 3 Feb 93 17:56:07 MST Recently Jerod Pore of F5 was on a show called the CXomputer Chronicles talking about e-zines.... It was pretty cool, at least cool to see what he looks like... a virtual non-interactive fleshmeet...=) but now I have a picture of him in my mind if/when I get/send mail to/from him.... When I got the TIME today I saw Business Week has a cover story on the virtual coproration idea....I didn't lok at it, tohugh.... There was something else I saw on TV recently that had relevance here, but for the life of meme I can't remember what it was.... -- ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu FutureCulture: In/f0rmation ahawks@mindvox.phantom.com future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu ______________________________ From: ahawks (E) Subject: TIME approaching to be WIRED with HYPERTEXT (newbie fwd =) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 93 18:17:55 MST |New fresh-scented *David Smith* (150% real fruit juices!) says: || ||I thought the Time magazine article on cyberpunk did a pretty good job of ||presenting an overview of the situation. It gave enough information about ||the whole umbrella that it could spark an interest to explore a certain ||section more. | |Prefaced by saying I have yet to grok it. | ||For example, I started thinking about hypertext again. Is it really that ||cool? Is it really worth the effort? I used to create a hypertext e-zine, | |YES!!! Last nite on IRC I briefly brought up the diea of a hypertext |dictionary... I personally believe that's the best way to keep up with |the *necessary vconstant and consistent* re-evealuation and |interpreting of language and semantics. | ||Scream N *me*me, but thought it was not enough bang for the buck. Everyone ||whose platform wasn'tsupported started yakking away, when's the mac version, ||when's the Amiga version, when's the unix version, when's the Commodore-64 ||version, ad nauseum. Spend all your time supporting damn platforms! | |That's the problem, lack of a universal standard. That's what should |be supported. | ||So now I do Scream Baby, which is a pure text-only, Internet-format e-zine. ||Am I missing out? Should I go back to hypertext? | |What's wrong with both if time permits? Hypertext now isn't even in |the presence of say, HDTV or post-Genesis video games in terms of |establishing set standards of function and portability. | ||* * * || ||I looked at the weekly summary that Andy puts out,and I think he should put ||*all* his articles on the listserver, not just the faq and pseudo-agrippas. ||What do yall say? | |Woah, I didn't see this when I originally read the message. What do |you mean by *all* articles? I don't really have much space to work |with, as I'm using literally over 1000x as much as I probably shoudl... | ||* * * || ||Oops, back to the Time magazine. I just ignored the 3-4 paragraphs of ||preaching and moralizing, though I can see where some could be upset by it. | |Hmm, again, I haven't read it, but it should be a given: any new |"phenom" that comes along will be viewed wihin the context as such by |an outdated structure that ultimately fears losing established power, |thus te preaching, etc. I can just picture it -- it probably has some |article ending with "Cyberpunk is definitely here and now, but the big |question is will it remain here tomorrow?" | |Thus I would refer all such dweebs to my thoughts on morphing bubbles. | |I'm going to pick up a copy tomorrow, I'll probably talk more about it |then..... | |Speaking of media, I'm surprised at the relatively low discussion of |Wired post-release....Whassup?!?!? People not grokked it all, or are |people just "content" wih it, or???? | |What did you like/not like about it? | |PS- is it just my imagination, or are the editors relatively silent on |the net, concidering they made such a big deal out of their supposed |"net.presence"... That seemed to me to be a statement of "we're fast |and dense, send us e-mail" with the subconscious tone of "we're fasteR |and denseR than you, see??" | |I was really put off by that, given the fact that the only contributor |who could be considered "widely accessible" to the WHOLE.net.public |(not just the Gold-card carrying WELL bucket fox) is Gerard Van der |Luen, who was/is on FC, archived the FC FAQ, put's out an e-zine, and |posts to Usenet (which, contrary to the s-type that many |aforementioned dripping WELLers and others hold to is not "useless" or |"inane"... ) | |Overall, I found the magazine catered to a generation that is older |than they should be appealing to...The *real* digital generation is |the Mtv generation, not the thirtysomething generation.... | |Kids who grew up hacking unix after seeing Wargames, not kids who |let their hair grow after seeing Ed Sullivan on the Beatles.... | |Kids who talk in soundbytes, like I just did, who are also capable of |quickly grepping longer texts, etc.... | |Basically, what I'm trying to say is that I see the necessity in |attracting an older audience, but I also see a necessity in them |appealing to a younger audience *in conjunction*.... | |For example, next time, where the Inslaw case is, they could do an Op |Sundevil piece...(esp considering the outcome of the SJG thing).... | |Where they reviewed Bob Marley's Greatest Hits, they should do Digable |Planets Rebirth of Slick.... | |I'm waiting for an article on raves by them...I mean a *big* piece, |not a one-two line mention....For me, that will say a lot about their |motives, their audience, their mindstyle.... | ||Those same people who use cyberpunk as identity. Those who use it as a way ||of distinguishing themselves from others. | |-- | | ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu FutureCulture: In/f0rmation | ahawks@mindvox.phantom.com future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu | | -- ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu FutureCulture: In/f0rmation ahawks@mindvox.phantom.com future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu ______________________________ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 93 17:16:38 PST From: mark@ganymede.apple.com (Mark Baldwin) Subject: Re: Time, Article for your reading pleasure. is this ava1lable f0r checking out? -mark. *((B^` ______________________________ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 93 20:45:38 EST From: majcher@acsu.buffalo.edu (Murali) Subject: TIME to GOOOoooo! [Floyd ref.] In message <9302040041.AA05946@nyx.cs.du.edu>, ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (E) wrote: :| I though the article was all-right, for a lame-o's guide to :|C-punk for losers. : :Come ON! "a lame-o's guide to C-punk for losers"? This is what I :spoke about, the typical hacker response, to find every media mention :negative, no matter what the content. :They weren't writing the article for you, me, people on the WELL, :Mondoids, etc. Right! :) Maybe the tone _was_ a bit harsh, but I sometimes do that. My meaning still remains: it's an intro into Cpunk for those who have _no_ idea what it is, done medium-well. OK, I'll retract and rerelease as "a semi-lame guide to C-punk for the clueless". Tha'ss better... :| New Edge Consulting Services | : :^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ what is this? : what do you consult about? Anything that we feel we can handle - mostly a "give us an idea of the info you need, and we'll go do some research and report back to you" sorta operation. Not specializing in tech or futurism or anything, but the name's just a grabber... Murali majcher@acsu.buffalo.edu "I am forever in your debt!" New Edge Consulting Services | "Nonsense...how can a friend P.O. Box 156, Amherst, NY 14226 | be in debt?" Voice: (716) 834-1648 -From Russia With Love ______________________________ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 93 21:16:05 EST From: majcher@acsu.buffalo.edu (Murali) Subject: Religeon, Sex, Drugs and CNBC :which reminds me, anyone out there into the Dianetics thing? I've been :thinking about reading it... Go ahead and read it - it's a funny little book. Mixes basic psych with some cult-inducing stuff for a kick of a mix. Not worth much, but good background stuff to know - check out the USENET group for more info, and _tons_ of flames^H^H^H^H^H^Hdebates... :Tattoos, etc... :If the world of Job markets wasn't so old fashioned, I might get tattoos and :piercings all over, but I do need to make money to live, much to my dismay... So get 'em where they can't be seen...I'm getting a new one on the back, and I doubt any future employers'll be checking to see if I'm in with the Yakusa... Murali majcher@acsu.buffalo.edu "I am forever in your debt!" New Edge Consulting Services | "Nonsense...how can a friend P.O. Box 156, Amherst, NY 14226 | be in debt?" Voice: (716) 834-1648 -From Russia With Love ______________________________ From: gt1420c@prism.gatech.edu (Christopher Richard Smaglick) Subject: THESIS: Spatialization of Info Date: Wed, 3 Feb 93 22:20:04 EST The office had become a vacant shell, forgetful of the days flurry of activitiy. All previous inhabitants going through their daily rituals of fixing, making, selling, and dealing. The motions that each chooses or is given to sustain life and a lifestyle. When the humm of physical activity subsides into a mere memory, it is replaced by the sounds of mechanical devices designed to sustain the life of an electronic box. Within the box, the day begins again, as the dawn of another night. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Thesis Topic - Masters of Architecture "The Spatialization of Information: Personality Constructs Within Cyberspace" by Chris Smaglick February 3, 1993 Georgia Institute of Technology - College of Architecture M. Arch 1 Program Thesis Advisor: John Cleveland - Associate Director (College of Architecture) Thesis Reader: Thomas Mical - PHD/Assistant Professor (College of Architecture) Proposed Thesis Reader: Michael Greer - Associate Professor (Language, Communication & Culture) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My initial consideration of thesis topic began to focus on the process of architectural design as influenced by the tools of the architect. Invesitgation into the historical use of pictorial methods and desciptive geometry marked distinct revolutions in how the architect functioned and what the profession required of him. With the increased relience of our daily lives on the computer and the progression beyond an industrial based society to an "information based society", the architects responsibilities and tools will again evolve through another radical shift. The main focus of this thesis will delve into the topic of Cyberspace and the architects ability to design and formulate the building of a "liquid architecture", or a building form within the futuristic construct of a digital space. The process of design within Cyberspace will require the use of new tools and the formulation of a new breed and re-thinking of spatial creation and interaction. The concept of Cyberspace originated from several science-fiction books by William Gibson, in which a futuristic society was portrayed containing digitally stored memories (personality constructs), digital silcon implants, AI's (Artificial Intelligence), cowboys (those who jack into and manipulate data within Cyberspace), and a reconstituted physical urban landscape based on these variations/extensions of contemporary society. Within the realm of science fiction, and that of a futuristic society, the extreme dependence of the physical world begins to blur the distinction between real space and the virtual space within the computer. As defined within Gibsonian logic, Cyberspace is a temporal organization and formalization of information. By creation of a digitally-physical space based on specific information attributes, the manipulation, understanding and communication of the information becomes the landscape of Cyberspace. The discourse of this thesis intitiates in a definition of "real" space and it's attributes, and correlates between the physical "real" space and the spatialization of information. In "jacking-in" to Cyberspace, one would be surrounded by the system matrix (communication transit network). The need for individual identity within Cyberspace, that of simple recognition, becomes the outlet of the design process. Current BBS systems and Net communications rely upon an individuals identification and domain for their spatial address within the Net. The developed spatial address will provide a means of navigation, individualized recognition, data interface structuring, and a personality unique to the individual. The information for structuring an individual space is interpolated from the specific individual. Unlike historic analogies which derive design criteria and direction from physical attributes of the human body, the assemination of information for design within a digital space would look beyond the physical characteristics toward more etherial sources of human definition - the personality. By categorizing and analyzing personal attributes, one can assemble the spatial equivalent of that personality. Futhermore, the relation and organization of a colony of personal "cells" begins to create interrelations between and within each cell as intrinsic and extrinsic fluxuations of the base personality constructs. (The use of the term "personality construct" here differs from that as discussed in Gibsons Neuromancer by meaning a spatially constructed personality.) The initial analytical stage requires the documentation and evaluation of personality traits, sufficient enough to establish a personality profile of an individual. These personality traits will then be formally related to specific spatial qualities portraying each trait (ie, introvert, extrovert - interior spatial focus, exterior spatial focus). The process of translation relies on a specific algorithm capable of analyzing each personality trait and their relation/inter- relation to spatial formations. After assembling the personality construct the algorithm will construct a static three-dimensional model of and for the individual. Modulation and morphing of these spaces would be incorporated through variations in personality throughout time, proximity and relation to surrounding constructs, and placement "spatial address" within the Cyberspace matrix. Development and form generation of the system matrix will be generated through a similar analytical relation of urban development / transportation networks. The creation of lines of transportation (porting) and communication could take several forms based on their correlating physical counterparts within typical urban fabrics. These forms could include: concentric generation - spherical -, formal grids - cubical -, or as seemingly random cellular generations. Research into urban development and their basis of form will shed a greater understanding of what development criteria could conceivably be ported over to the matrix development. It could easily be conceived that different zones and hubs within the larger matrix context would be centers for handling greater quanitities of information and would have an increased density of communication lines to accomodate the increased data flow. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ **This thesis proposal is a preliminary statement of intent and will undergo continual updating and refinement through the projected final completion in August, 1993. All and any input/comments/sources/corrections/ and overall satisfaction/interest and their unpleasant counterparts would be appreciated. Please delve deep into those neurals and respond with some critical blurbage. And as always, thank you for your support! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Smaglick (GLICK) College of Architecture Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: !gatech!prism!gt1420c Internet: gt1420c@prism.gatech.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ______________________________ Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1993 22:46:51 EST From: bhd0@Lehigh.EDU (-heather) Subject: the tao of pierced CNBC talkshow hosts Well, another attempt of rolling it all up... ahawks- there was a movie of pooh??? where can I get it??? it was awfully enlightening to read the book tho. haven't read piglet's yet... On the CNBC show ( I think it was called Real Personal), they had three women who used BBS's for, as much as I could gather from tuning in late, teledildonics. One wished to remain anonymous. It was a call in nationwide talkshow. I guess it was like phone sex over the computer. I didn't catch the whole thing, I was wondering if anyone else saw it. One woman said that her 21 month old baby had been killed by a 13 year old boy, whose father she met on a BBS, who also fathered the 21 month old. I wish I had more details... oh yeah, one of the women had 12 nude .gif's of herself "available" (the other woman said they were "tastefully done"... another note on piercing... the reason I don't get it done in a not so visible place is that I have a low pain threshold, and considering the number of nerve endings in an area like that, I don't think I want to find out _what_ it feels like... by the way, does anyone out there know if you can get liquid TV on video? if so, how? -h *******WARNING-reading all my quotes could take a long time.****** **************** newest ones are at the top **************** "I shall not fail, nor falter, I shall succeed. My perception is altered I do beileve. I feel no fear, to be here is oh so fine, shining brightly like sunlight inside my mind... I can move, move, move any mountain." -The Shamen "Spread peanut butter, not AIDS" -Cynthia Nelson "Fear is a little darkroom where negatives are developed." "Closets Are For Clothes." -seen at "From All Walks of Life", a Boston walk-a-thon to benefit AIDS research "The other day I was...oh, wait a minute, that wasn't me..." -Steven Wright "If all of the ignorance in the world passed a second ago, what would you say, and who would you obey?" -Live "If I don't know what's cool, will they call me a loser? If I don't bend the rules, will I stay a loser?" -Ned's Atomic Dustbin "When we are alone, you are the cat, you are the phone, you are an animal. Words I'm sayin' now mean nothing more than meow to an animal. Wake up! Smell the catfood in your bank account. Don't try to stop the tail that wags the hound." -They Might Be Giants "Stop yawning. Start yearning" -Ned's "Ninety-nine percent of the people in this world are fools. The rest of us are in danger of contagion." -Thorton Wilder "Sometimes the light's all shining on me...other times I can barely see...lately it occurrs to me... what a long, strange trip it's been" -The Dead "It's 106 miles to Chicago, we have a full tank of gas, a half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark out, and we're wearing sunglasses." -Elwood "Hit It." -Joliet Jake "Men go crazy in congregations, they only get better one by one." -Gordon Sumner "Do you love?" -Stephen King ______________________________ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1993 20:04:47 -0800 (PST) From: John Frost Subject: Re: your mail On Wed, 3 Feb 1993 time@well.sf.ca.us wrote: > So, I've heard there's bveeeen discussion goin on here regarding my recent > article in the February 8 issue of Time. > > -Phil ummm... try ped@well.sf.ca.us as philips real address... nice idea though. frost@netcom.com ______________________________ Date: Wed, 03 Feb 93 21:30:02 MST From: Juggler Subject: Opinions of Wired... > Speaking of media, I'm surprised at the relatively low discussion of > Wired post-release....Whassup?!?!? People not grokked it all, or are > people just "content" wih it, or???? More like or. I think it offers a lot of interesting info, that may or may not be "on the edge". Kinda a thread i'm sick of. "On the Edgde" is such a hard thing to define. I figure if I know about it, it isn't on the edge. ANYWAYS... Wired was an interesting read. I'll have to agree with the guy who posted about how much of a bitch it was to have to flip pages to finish an article (see page 101). I also think that Wired is a corporation trying to cash in on something good. I don't know what gives me that feeling, but it just some vibes I get from it. Maybe it's the Seagate, Apple, and other major comp. company's ads. Nah... At any rate, I still prefer Mondo over it but will probably buy the next issue if it comes out. I think it's good to take in as much info as one can. I still need to get a copy of bOING bOING, but kinda hard in a city of cowboys and rancheros. > > What did you like/not like about it? Ooops...I think I answered this already. > PS- is it just my imagination, or are the editors relatively silent on > the net, concidering they made such a big deal out of their supposed > "net.presence"... That seemed to me to be a statement of "we're fast Nope, unless of course we are all having mass hallucinations. Which would be utterly cool. Kinda like the junk in Snow Crash. > Overall, I found the magazine catered to a generation that is older > than they should be appealing to...The *real* digital generation is > the Mtv generation, not the thirtysomething generation.... Yeah! That's a part of it! Look at the pictures inside! Don't see too many young people! Hmmm...good point. > Basically, what I'm trying to say is that I see the necessity in > attracting an older audience, but I also see a necessity in them > appealing to a younger audience *in conjunction*.... I agree. It's real interesting. I got this argument going between my parental units lately about the future and the idea of Cyberpunk. I showed them the video "Cyberpunk" with Bill Gibson and Jaron Lanier, and my father thought it seemed kinda like it had no point. No substance. While my mother found it to be something to grasp. She really dug it, especially seeing as how she firmly beleives that machines can think. I think more exposure might actually do a bit of good. > Where they reviewed Bob Marley's Greatest Hits, they should do Digable > Planets Rebirth of Slick.... How is that by the way? I've been trying for weeks to get it, but no such luck... > I'm waiting for an article on raves by them...I mean a *big* piece, > not a one-two line mention....For me, that will say a lot about their > motives, their audience, their mindstyle.... Yes, but I also feel that people don't have to be a part of rave culture to be into the future culture. But I think a big exposure on them will help us to get larger, louder, greater, and better raves than what we have now. -Juggler -------------------------------------------------------- | Juggler | This space available | | IH23@utep.BITNET | for rent to a mult- | | IH23%utep@utepvm.ep.utexas.edu| million $ fascist | |******************************************|corporation| | Sysop of Three Ring Circus (915)564-0026 |------------ -------------------------------------------- My school has nothing to do with me. EVER. ______________________________ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1993 20:24:36 -0800 (PST) From: John Frost Subject: A quick note on a L.A. Epublisher Greetings.... I don't seem to be much for original posts... so here is another report on a report I saw tonight. ATDT 1 310 842 8835 I was just watching "life and times" a local pbs Los Angeles politics show. They had a five minute piece on an electronic zine published in LA (although sold as far away as NY.) The creators name is Jamie Levy. She uses Macintosh (IIci and Powerbook)... and produces self-contained movies (just click on the movie cameral icon and your off) which you can navigate through on your own pace. "cyber rag" is the title. Generally it looked much more interactive then Gareth's hypercard "Beyond Cyberpunk." It had an early issue Mondoi 2000 look to it, kinda the grunge of e-publishing ( I don't have vast experience here, but I do plan to checkout at least one copy - :- ). Levy's definition of cyberpunk. -- [um's and uh's deleted] Q. What is cyberpunk? A. Cyberpunk to me is cyber - the control of machines and punk- punk rock and anarchistic lifestyle -alternative lifestyle.- and media. Put them together and you've got cyberpunk. Ugh - they didn't give an address - so if you can get me in contact with her; or incontact with her "cyber-rag" Ezine. I would appreciate it. frost@netcom.com ______________________________ Date: 03 Feb 1993 23:20:12 -0600 (CST) From: "free agent .rez" Subject: time flies (was re: time mag artcl) >I saw the article too, and I just figure that its another yippity doo da thats >not gonna do much either way. I don't think that its exploiting a scene >(like Wired kinda is) but it is a little hyped and a bit overblown. ...and that hype, while it IS going to directly influence the ways in which people coming IN expereinec the Net and the ways in which culture at large LOOKS at the Net, misses the point: that the future of cyberpunk or cyberculture or cyberwhatnots is going to depend on how each person who cares one way or another reacts to those pov changes. fc's been batting around the role of stuff like WIRED and the rolw of labels like cyberpunk since i've been on... even HYPE has a way of forcing for hands of those being Hyped... >As for the Hypertext--yeah, I think you should go back again. In a way >I am really committed to the idea of hypertext/hypermedia as the only >viable means of postmodern expression that we have left. The book is >dead and the avan-garde must take over a new form. i'm encoding my entire VIRTUAL CULTURE in HyperText (well, admitedly, hypercard to induce spread-ability...), primarily because i don't think the Net can be understood meaningfully in a linear format. the forces coming together here seem a wee bit to synergetic to me... .rez ______________________________ Date: Wed, 03 Feb 93 22:27:41 MST From: Juggler Subject: The Time article > So, I've heard there's bveeeen discussion goin on here regarding my rece > article in the February 8 issue of Time. > > -Phil You bet. I personally haven't read it, but the recent thread has been basically positive. Kinda an idiots guide to Cyberpunk... I bet Andy has some stuff to tell ya about tho! I'll be back after I get a chance to take it in. -Juggler -------------------------------------------------------- | Juggler | This space available | | IH23@utep.BITNET | for rent to a mult- | | IH23%utep@utepvm.ep.utexas.edu| million $ fascist | |******************************************|corporation| | Sysop of Three Ring Circus (915)564-0026 |------------ -------------------------------------------- My school has nothing to do with me. EVER. ______________________________ Date: Thu, 4 Feb 93 00:29:16 EST From: majcher@acsu.buffalo.edu (Murali) Subject: TIME to GOOOoooo! [Floyd ref.] :Damn, I was harsh too now that I see what I wrote...aarg, gotta find :out where that was comin from, cuz every flame or semi-flame has some :relevenace to off-net.life.... S'okay - we all have to watch ourselves a bit with both outgoing and incoming data on the net...I've learned over the years to both try to keep an eye on what I'm sending out, to make sure it doesn't come off _too_ nasty or impersonal or fill-in-the-blank-bad- -thing, and to keep in mind that the other person probably doesn't mean what they're saying in any kind of hostile way, accounting for the impersonal nature of the net. Saves a lot of wear and tear on everyone. Re: New Edge Consulting: :Umm, just wonderin, do you get a lot of people coming in related to :new AGE stuphs? I mean, do you get calls asking if you can do tarot :or that full-out astrological reading, etc....? Not really, although we _do_ have people that can take care of that if people do come in with those interests...;-) Murali majcher@acsu.buffalo.edu "I am forever in your debt!" New Edge Consulting Services | "Nonsense...how can a friend P.O. Box 156, Amherst, NY 14226 | be in debt?" Voice: (716) 834-1648 -From Russia With Love ______________________________ Date: 03 Feb 1993 23:42:45 -0600 (CST) From: "free agent .rez" Subject: religion ok, ok... playing along: i'm a meme-ist. a memist? a memist. (different from my role as a memeticist...) ;) .rez ______________________________ Date: Thu, 4 Feb 93 00:44:45 EST From: ltm@cns.nyu.edu (Laurence T. Maloney) Subject: Re: Alfred Korzybski > From JESSIE@HARVARDA.HARVARD.EDU Wed Feb 3 10:49:18 1993X-Lines: 10 > > hey all -- > > I came across a reference this morning in a book I'm reading > (Cosmic Trigger II - Robert Anton Wilson) to a guy named > Alfred Korzybski, who came up with a neurolinguistic theory that > words literally can hypnotize us. Anyone know anything about > this theory? I think it was in the 1920s... > Hi. Count Alfred Korzybski, _Science and Sanity_ 1929 or so. The sci fi novel _The World of Null A_ by A.E. van Vogt uses Korzybski's theories as a framework. NullA is for non-Aristotelian, referring to Korzybski's theory of logic. Most famous quote: The map is not the territory. Most famous anecdote: how he shoved paper roses in front of a hayfever sufferer who immediately started sneezing (having mistaken the symbol for the reality). Probably deserves credit for thinking up the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis before either Sapir or Whorf. [The SW hypothesis is that the structure of language determines not simply what we can express but also what we can conceive of. To the best of my knowledge, there's not a shred of evidence in its favor that has survived careful criticism. But Korzybski got it wrong first!] Founded General Semantics Society (I may have name wrong) which still existed in Connecticut about 1970. The novel by Van Vogt is very good (wanders in and out of print). _Science and Sanity_ is very readable but v e r y long. Count Alfred comes across as a decent guy with a sense of humor. Overenthusiastic, but neither a crackpot or a crank. L ______________________________ From: ahawks (polyunsaturated fun!) Subject: Re: Opinions of Wired... Date: Wed, 3 Feb 93 23:04:48 MST New fresh-scented *Juggler* (150% real fruit juices!) says: | |> Speaking of media, I'm surprised at the relatively low discussion of |> Wired post-release....Whassup?!?!? People not grokked it all, or are |> people just "content" wih it, or???? | |More like or. I think it offers a lot of interesting info, that may or |may not be "on the edge". Kinda a thread i'm sick of. "On the Edgde" is |such a hard thing to define. I think we constantly need to re-evaluate it, though, and the net is the perfect forum (moreso than wired)....In fact, this place is the perfect forum....=)....Or, actually, surfpunks probably is better.... But, shhh! |I figure if I know about it, it isn't on |the edge. Hehe, this is a good philosophy which I act on too. Like, Platform Docs....I used to think those were Edge, until I got that issue of Project X (which has Gibson, Ashbaugh, and Begos in it BTW - and also makes reference to Mondo Vanilli - something people seemingly haven't even begun to gnow-about) which had a few in it.... And I thought, welp, I'm not hip anymore. So then you seek out something that noone gnows about. |ANYWAYS... Wired was an interesting read. I'll have to agree |with the guy who posted about how much of a bitch it was to have to flip |pages to finish an article (see page 101). No shit. I agree 200 choline-enhanced percent. |I also think that Wired is |a corporation trying to cash in on something good. I don't know what |gives me that feeling, but it just some vibes I get from it. Maybe it's |the Seagate, Apple, and other major comp. company's ads. Nah... And the net -- it's part of that obligatory hacker retort, which was made reference to in TIME. You have to ask yourself,. then, is what you percieve to be their level of commerciality ok with you, as far as your enjoyment of Wired is concerned as a holistic thing. And then, once you decide that, you have to ask yourself if that commerciality is ok as far as your perceptions of the concensus culture surrounding i as concerned. |At any rate, I still prefer Mondo over it but will probably buy the |next issue if it comes out. I think it's good to take in as much info |as one can. I still need to get a copy of bOING bOING, but kinda hard |in a city of cowboys and rancheros. bOING is still good. I personally am buying all 3, and will continue to do so for quite a while, at least beyond the point where the consensus becomes that one of them must die, and people start dogging it all over the place...I'll still buy it because I don't want to deny myself the unique perspective.... Also interesting to note how bOING, IMHO, has received much more publicity (at least from my net.observations) since Wired arrived. Maybe they balance each other out, who gnows. |> PS- is it just my imagination, or are the editors relatively silent on |> the net, concidering they made such a big deal out of their supposed |> "net.presence"... That seemed to me to be a statement of "we're fast | |Nope, unless of course we are all having mass hallucinations. Which |would be utterly cool. Kinda like the junk in Snow Crash. gestalt hallucinations probably exist. but, that's another can of eyeball-eating worms, and maggots, crawling over the monkey's open carcuss as his brain oozes out on the table. Look at his lifeless eyeball - it is speaking to you, but you are not responding, because you dissociate yourself from the environment. But it is happening. It is real. His short hair stands on end, worms on his open-mouthed tongue, in and out his nose like a revolving door. "Blinded By reason...confused understanding...." -sync w/ Suicidal tendencies |> Overall, I found the magazine catered to a generation that is older |> than they should be appealing to...The *real* digital generation is |> the Mtv generation, not the thirtysomething generation.... | |Yeah! That's a part of it! Look at the pictures inside! Don't see too |many young people! Hmmm...good point. It's the WELL crowd inside one of this trend-e new Electronic Cafes. *THAT's WHAT IT IS*...THAT's what I forgot was on television - on CNN's futurewatch, they did a thing on the new Electronic Cafes, where people talk virtually....Biosphere is involved sometimes....But, anyway, at one point, some folx in CA were talking with some VR folx, and some guy in the crowd asked "now, how can I subscribe to sci.virtual-worlds and sci.virtual-world.apps on this Usenet" That's what I wanted to mention.... |> Basically, what I'm trying to say is that I see the necessity in |> attracting an older audience, but I also see a necessity in them |> appealing to a younger audience *in conjunction*.... | |I agree. It's real interesting. I got this argument going between my |parental units lately about the future and the idea of Cyberpunk. I |showed them the video "Cyberpunk" with Bill Gibson and Jaron Lanier, and |my father thought it seemed kinda like it had no point. No substance. |While my mother found it to be something to grasp. She really dug it, |especially seeing as how she firmly beleives that machines can think. |I think more exposure might actually do a bit of good. Like the last statement a lot....But, I might substitute "forums of communication" or "resources" for "exposure" which are not necessarily inherantly intertwined on the scale we're talking about. |> Where they reviewed Bob Marley's Greatest Hits, they should do Digable |> Planets Rebirth of Slick.... | |How is that by the way? I've been trying for weeks to get it, but no |such luck... As far as I know they just have a single out, which is now plastered about Mtv every time Kennedy (no, not the dead guys, and not the drunk guy) comes on... You can smell the incense, smell the blunt smoke, smell the dark java in that video...I love it...It's great... "I'm phat like that" -Digables |> I'm waiting for an article on raves by them...I mean a *big* piece, |> not a one-two line mention....For me, that will say a lot about their |> motives, their audience, their mindstyle.... | |Yes, but I also feel that people don't have to be a part of rave culture |to be into the future culture. Oh I agree, definitely. All of us have different specialized interests at some point - it's just a matter of finding majority consensus collectives, etc., the biggest bubbles that aren't part of the big Bubble, etc. |But I think a big exposure on them will |help us to get larger, louder, greater, and better raves than what we |have now. Again, though, like TIME mentioned, some people don't want it to grow. For awhile, I was *real* adament (sp?) about seeing the Denver rave scene get real commercial, but now I don't really care, and I *like* seeing 14-15 year old preppy girls at raves. Call me trendy, I don't care. So, I go to the more popular raves (Poor Boy is their name) but I still go to the underground ones (Electric Co., Rave Noir, Pryme, etc.).... Like, that Knottsberry Farm thing has gotten a lot of negative attention, but my feeling is that as far as I can see, they seem to have an interest in the communal motivations of rave culture and aren't *just* capitalists, so why bitch about it...Noone's forcing you to go, and underground raves are still happenin', so, the more choices and the more alternatives the better...Paralel back to Wired, of course, and bubbles even.... |-Juggler | |-------------------------------------------------------- || Juggler | This space available | || IH23@utep.BITNET | for rent to a mult- | || IH23%utep@utepvm.ep.utexas.edu| million $ fascist | ||******************************************|corporation| || Sysop of Three Ring Circus (915)564-0026 |------------ |-------------------------------------------- | My school has nothing to do with me. EVER. -- ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu FutureCulture: In/f0rmation ahawks@mindvox.phantom.com future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu ______________________________ Date: Wed, 03 Feb 93 23:04:16 MST From: Juggler Subject: CyberRag > Ugh - they didn't give an address - so if you can get me in > contact with her; or incontact with her "cyber-rag" Ezine. I > would appreciate it. Not a problem. You can get it by sending $6 (includes shipping and handling) to Jaime Levy, PO Box 2966, Hollywood, CA 90078. She has outr CyberRag I, II, and III. For all those interested it's a Mac disk, so PC users get screwed. Anyways, I got this junk from Mondo Issue 7. -Juggler > frost@netcom.com -------------------------------------------------------- | Juggler | This space available | | IH23@utep.BITNET | for rent to a mult- | | IH23%utep@utepvm.ep.utexas.edu| million $ fascist | |******************************************|corporation| | Sysop of Three Ring Circus (915)564-0026 |------------ -------------------------------------------- My school has nothing to do with me. EVER. ______________________________ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1993 22:02:21 -0800 (PST) From: Loveweasle Subject: Well it's happening Today, as I write this actually, the subject on Mike Seigle's national radio show is the power of talk radio (related topic technology empowering people). One caller brought up the internet and the cyberpunk movement. I believe she mentioned mondo too but i can't remember. Any way it's hitting the mainstream and there is nothing anyone can do about it. The beutiful thing is the mass media is losing power because of all of this. We all can have our opinions seen and heard. The death of the politicaly correct is around the corner. If you don't know about any of the national talk radio shows, Get your Head out of your ass! Shit is happening. Fisel@eskimo.com the loveweasle ______________________________ From: ahawks (polyunsaturated fun!) Subject: Re: time flies (was re: time mag artcl) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 93 23:19:31 MST Ah, my sync surfaces in a nig way.... great comments by rez deleted... New fresh-scented *free agent .rez* (150% real fruit juices!) says: | |i'm encoding my entire VIRTUAL CULTURE in HyperText (well, admitedly, hypercar |to induce spread-ability...), primarily because i don't think the Net can be |understood meaningfully in a linear format. the forces coming together here |seem a wee bit to synergetic to me... when I read "don't think the Net can by understood...." i immediately made the connection with McKenna;s now famous "if the truth can be told, as to be understood" so, Net = the truth....hehe.... PS- If you live in Colorado, pick up a copy of Westword, and check out the always great comic in the first couple pages...[it's this weeks Westword, I can't remember what's on the cover - I think Webb is on there though]..I jsut picked it up 2dAY..... Anyway, the comic talks about a CU regenet going "under-cover" to make himself see life from the CU student's perspective.....He gets prepared to do this by getting a "R.E.M outfit" (D.I.Y. rave/thrash hat, baggy flannel, baggy jeans, which, coincidently is exactly what I was wearing together [is there no end to my sync?]...Then he gets a hair-cut (clipped on the bottom, mini-pork sideburns)...Then he gets his nose-pierced (which I was also thinking about today).... And he's got a backpack (for all his ravetoys? =)...So, anyway, he goes to CU, and all the students look exactly like him - that synergy of rave, street, and grunge culture that is pretty popular....So, he eats lunch with them and they are all talking "If the truth can be told, as to be understood" and various other McKennaisms from The Shamen's Re: evolution apropriation....There's about 5-6 diff. McKenna quotes in the comic - they even talk about the necessity of hallucinogens in evolution (BTW, this is a mainstream alternative, WIDELY read newspaper - probably 3rd behind the 2 local biggies, the New and the Post)... And in the end he's at this party with what i think was supposed to be a beer bong, and people are still spewing out McKennaisms as one guy blows on the floor, and another couple is making out.... NOW, you all can understand why this is the college I'm going to in the fall! THESE ARE MY PEOPLE! I'm gonna cu out the comic, and put it right next to my other comic cut from Westword, which is about D.A.R.E. blotter (which i've heard actually exists, from a FOAFOAF) and says "just say no to kidz drugz"... "2 hour trip, easy comedown, no jitters"... Cool stuph for a newspaper.... -- ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu FutureCulture: In/f0rmation ahawks@mindvox.phantom.com future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu _________________________________________________________________________ | | | That's all for today! | | To send a message to the list: future@nyx.cs.du.edu | | To subscribe/unsubscribe/change format: future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu | | All other requests: future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu | | List Maintainer is: (andy [aka hawkeye]) ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu | |_________________________________________________________________________| | | | The opinions expressed in FutureCulture are those of the individual | | author only. | |_________________________________________________________________________|