From - Wed Jan 14 15:04:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.UU.NET by mrco.carleton.ca (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA21556; Wed, 3 Feb 93 01:34:32 EST Received: from nyx.cs.du.edu by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA12176; Wed, 3 Feb 93 01:34:03 -0500 Received: by nyx.cs.du.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA16437; Tue, 2 Feb 93 23:31:36 MST From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (andy) Message-Id: <9302030631.AA16437@nyx.cs.du.edu> X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of Denver. The University has neither control over nor responsibility for the opinions or correct identity of users. Subject: FutureCulture Digest #209 To: future-digest@nyx.cs.du.edu Date: Tue, 2 Feb 93 23:31:32 MST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: RO X-Mozilla-Status: 8001 ______________________________________________________________________ |______________ / | | / | | u t u r e <___________ u l t u r e | _______________________________________________________________________| Issue #209 Tuesday, February 2nd 1993 Today's Topics: --------------- architecture is politics attitudes in SoZ bill's email address Future Religions Interesting reading Lame Gurus Mass Media Wierdness and some values stuff Nicotine patches Re: Masonicks Re: GAYS, THE FUTURE, CYBERBIGOTS, ETC. Re: Lame Gurus (Privac-e in Cyberculture) Re: memetic algorithms Re: Nicotine patches Re: Persian citizens Re: Persian citizens (fwd) is religion Re: Religion Re: Religion (Was Re: Persian citizens) Re: the cannabis patch :) was (Re: body implants) religion Religion (Was Re: Persian citizens) the cannibus patch Time Magazine article __________________________________________________________________________ From: gcrisp@st6000.sct.edu (Gregory Crisp) Subject: Interesting reading Date: Tue, 2 Feb 93 13:42:03 EST I thought the short story "When It Changed" was quite good. The concept, a planet where all the males had died off and the surviving women used genetic engineering to re-produce, was facinating. It dealt with the isue of homosexuality among the women of the planet as just a side line, like it was no big deal, instead of focusing on it in any way. I think this story was written by Ursala K. Baby :) but I'm not sure. The way I feel abou it is this: I think homosexuality is fine, but it's no big deal. I'm not gay myself, but I know gay people and I just never thought much about it. I suppose that some people feel threatened by homosexuality, just as many people feel threatened by anything that is new and different. They fear change becausse they feel that it could mean the end of their existance in some way. In a sense, this may be true. As things and people change, so does the "reality" that they are a part of. For example: 200 years ago, the "reality" was that women were weaker, less intelligent, and generally inferior than men. Now we know that this couldn't be farther from the truth. Women are easily equal, and perhaps in some resects better, than us lowly males. :) Similar false assumptions are being brought to light concerning people of different ethnic backgrounds. Although we still have a lot of work to do on this, thingss ARE getting better. I think the time has come to eliminate similar ignorance were homosexuals are concerned. If we are going to truly become a united race living in a global village, the time of white-straight-male dominance must end. Hey, were all just people, whether we be black, white, red, yellow, green, orange, female, male, straight, or gay. I think it is time for everyone, including the other white-straight-males like myself, to shed all of this ignorance and fear that we have been lugging around for the past 2000 years or so and move forward into the 21st century. Wake up people, I will be here before you know it. I'll be ready, will you? I'm getting off my soap-bax now... G Crisp -- PostHuman ver 3.1 ______________________________ Date: Tue, 02 Feb 93 12:15:15 MST From: Juggler Subject: Re: Persian citizens > > Feel free ... I know I'm interested. As we all know Islam wil spread even > > further around the world. From what I understand it's the fastest growwing > > religion. > > I feel (and hope) that among technically educated people, atheism is I'm curious...(oh no! another curiosty spiel that could cause much band- width!!) wat religions are you people out there on the future list practicing? I'm an atheist, but with very little animosity towards religin. More of a hate for organized religion.... -Juggler -------------------------------------------------------- | Juggler | This space available | | IH23@utep.BITNET | for rent to a mult- | | IH23%utep@utepvm.ep.utexas.edu| million $ fascist | |******************************************|corporation| | Sysop of Three Ring Circus (915)564-0026 |------------ -------------------------------------------- My school has nothing to do with me. EVER. ______________________________ From: eknipp@lobo.rmhs.colorado.edu (Ethan Knipp) Subject: Re: Persian citizens Date: Tue, 2 Feb 93 12:44:56 MST I'm curious...(oh no! another curiosty spiel that could cause much band- width!!) wat religions are you people out there on the future list practicing? I'm an atheist, but with very little animosity towards religin. More of a hate for organized religion.... -Juggler -------------------------------------------------------- | Juggler | This space available | | IH23@utep.BITNET | for rent to a mult- | | IH23%utep@utepvm.ep.utexas.edu| million $ fascist | |******************************************|corporation| | Sysop of Three Ring Circus (915)564-0026 |------------ -------------------------------------------- My school has nothing to do with me. EVER. I'm an atheist as well. -- Ethan The Unbeliever eknipp@lobo.rmhs.colorado.edu ______________________________ Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1993 11:50:27 -0800 From: lefty@apple.com Subject: Religion (Was Re: Persian citizens) >I'm curious...(oh no! another curiosty spiel that could cause much band- >width!!) wat religions are you people out there on the future list >practicing? I'm a Tibetan Buddhist. -- Lefty (lefty@apple.com) C:.M:.C:., D:.O:.D:. ______________________________ Date: 02 Feb 1993 15:12:16 -0500 (EST) From: Newt the Ever-Curious Subject: religion I am agnostic. Newt ______________________________ Date: Tue, 2 Feb 93 12:57:32 PST From: Al Sargent Subject: Re: Religion (Was Re: Persian citizens) I was raised Catholic, but now I don't really practice all that much. al ~~ From lefty@apple.com Tue Feb 2 12:17:16 1993 ~~ X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University ~~ of Denver. The University has neither control over nor ~~ responsibility for the opinions or correct identity of users. ~~ Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1993 11:50:27 -0800 ~~ To: future@nyx.cs.du.edu ~~ From: lefty@apple.com ~~ X-Sender: lefty@130.43.2.2 ~~ Subject: Religion (Was Re: Persian citizens) ~~ ~~ >I'm curious...(oh no! another curiosty spiel that could cause much band- ~~ >width!!) wat religions are you people out there on the future list ~~ >practicing? ~~ ~~ I'm a Tibetan Buddhist. ~~ ~~ -- ~~ Lefty (lefty@apple.com) ~~ C:.M:.C:., D:.O:.D:. ~~ ______________________________ From: gcrisp@st6000.sct.edu (Gregory Crisp) Subject: Future Religions Date: Tue, 2 Feb 93 15:57:33 EST I like to think of myself as a taoist agnostic, whatever that is. ;) G Crisp -- PostHuman ver 3.1 ______________________________ Subject: Re: GAYS, THE FUTURE, CYBERBIGOTS, ETC. Date: Tue, 2 Feb 93 16:42:19 GMT From: Fox Quoth "Michael J. Current" : >But the "classic" cyberpunk literature I have been trying to get >belately familiarly with seems deeply heterosexist. Gay people are not >condemned, they simply don't seem to exist in these visions of the future. This guy has obviously never come across the 'When Gravity Fails' books by Effinger. Fox -- |\_/| F That which I say is reality and the absolute truth as I see it. \O O/ O Disagree if you like but the reality remains the same and only \o/ X I have the power to change it. ______________________________ Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1993 13:33:48 -0800 (PST) From: Al Billings Subject: Re: Persian citizens Religion? I'm a neo-pagan of various stripes. I'm not a politically correct crystal lovin' new ager though. I'm involved in the MOCA thing (which started this thread) and Asatru (Germanic neo-paganism) mostly. Wassail, Grendel Grettisson ______________________________ Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1993 16:49:05 -0500 From: ae736@yfn.ysu.edu (Christian Sykes) Subject: Re: Persian citizens One minor quibble with stephen_D_williams's post: atheism is no more a rational choice than religion as, unfortunately, certainty is nowhere to be found in either side. There is no valid reason to assume with certainty that God isnt some child-eating thing with big, pointy teeth who loves to send the naughty into eternal torment. There is no reason to assume with certainty that there is no goddess or god. I'm not an advocate of religion myself; i have my own firm ideas about cthulhu and santa claus but i suppose i've been reading far too much hume lately. agnostically yers, xtian -- ____ Xtian! ae736@yfn.ysu.edu Happy & bleeding...all for you! At peace \ / in the all-embracing, warm, sensual, slowly thrusting love of \/ our Lord, Jesus Christ ______________________________ From: zamboni@ap.cl.msu.edu (happy zamboni) Subject: Mass Media Wierdness and some values stuff Date: Tue, 2 Feb 93 16:42:17 EST Blincolin said : > > Why is everyone SOOOO worried about cyberculture and the media. You are not a part of cyberstuff because you are wanting or not wanting media coverage. > Hopefully you are in because it interests you or you believe in it or because > you want to be on the cutting edge of society. Who cares what Dan Blather or > Peter Jennings has to say about it. I certainly don't. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -RAVE DJ'S SPIN THE WORLD......DIGITAL MERMAN > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > I think I may have instigated this thread with the Time magazine post (or at least re-started this thread, it is not by any means a new one...). I somewhat miss-stated myself, if I implied that the onslaught of recent Media coverage and such forth was inherently "Bad". I certainly don't have enough information (or perhaps foresight?) to place a value judgement on these procedings... My point, however poorly conveyed, was simply that I find this all very, well.. wierd. Damn wierd. Doesn't anyone else? Or am I just not used to seeing large-scale changes in media and society happening before my eyes? Anyway, I would like to try to steer this in a different tangent, and put forth a proposition to you all. The propostion is thus : that all elements of technology have certain "values" implied by their nature. (Sort of a twist on the Bauhaus idea, in this case : "Values follow from Form.") My question for you is this : Does this make sense to you, and if so, what values do you feel are conveyed by "Net-Life", "Cyberculture", computer based networking, etc... Not just the obvious ones, like ease of communication and so on, but the more base, underlying values... I will expound and elaborate further if there is anymore interest, but I would like to hear what the rest of you have to say first (and I have to leave and drive to band practice, but that's besides the point.) Thanks. -Zamboni zamboni@ap.cl.msu.edu ______________________________ From: sdw@meaddata.com (Stephen Williams) Subject: Re: the cannabis patch :) was (Re: body implants) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1993 16:46:42 -0500 (EST) > > I'm wondering, did W.Gibson predict the technology which makes the > nicotine patch possible with his "derms" back in 1985, or were these > things well into research and early development by that time? I've only > recently become aware of them, when some of my family used dramamine > patches (for motion sickness) on their flight here to Seattle. Don't > watch much TV, so I've only recently noticed the nicotine patches. It was well known to runners, among others, that an industrial solvent/cleaning solution called DMSO easily penetrated the skin barrier, dragging almost anything disolved in it with it. You used to be able to buy pure DMSO (Di-methyl-sulf??-oxide or something) from drug stores for cleaning use. (The industrial versions sometimes were cut with other stuff.) I read about it in Runner's World where it was documented that some runners liked to use it as a linament. I don't know if it's the same stuff used in the patches, but from everything I heard, it's sure silly to use needles when you could just absorb drugs.... (Maybe certain molecules are too big to work. Of course, judging by the commercial patches...) Don't think there's anything to the patches... just mix, soak, and go. I assume the instructions warn you to sterilize/clean the area first.... I had a friend who joked that he had a vial of cyanide, can of DMSO, and a squirt gun.... Not very funny, huh? > --- > Brian Willoughby Software Design Engineer, BSEE NCSU > BrianW@SoundS.WA.com Sound Consulting: Software Design and Development > NeXTmail welcome > sdw -- Stephen D. Williams Local Internet Gateway Co.; SDW Systems 513 496-5223APager LIG dev./sales Internet: sdw@world.std.com CIS 76244.210@compuserve.com OO R&D Source Dist. By Horse: 10028 Village Tree Ct., Miamisburg, OH 45342 GNU Support ICBM: 39 34N 85 15W I love it when a plan comes together ______________________________ Date: Tue, 2 Feb 93 23:41:04 +0100 From: cardell@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: Religion Well, Juggler, I consider myself a Zen Buddhist, but that's just a delusion of my mind. What is that? What is MU? mikael cardell S P U N K P R E S S ______________________________ From: zamboni@ap.cl.msu.edu (happy zamboni) Subject: Nicotine patches Date: Tue, 2 Feb 93 16:43:13 EST In a previous article by TJ Martzial he talks about his grandfather quitting smoking using the Nic-patch. {no quote, but now you know what I'm refering to..} I tried it. I hated it. No control over the quitting process, If anything, getting only nicotine, without the accompanying smoking deal, INTENSIFIED the psychological cravings for me. Plus my body was confused beyond all belief.... ("Wait, we're smoking...No, we're not smoking, well wait, maybe we are..") -Zamboni zamboni@ap.cl.msu.edu ______________________________ From: jesse@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (Jesse Davis) Subject: Re: memetic algorithms Date: Tue, 2 Feb 93 18:25:35 EST Every mailing list is a niche, with its own fitness functions, of course... -Jes ______________________________ Date: Tue, 02 Feb 93 17:32 CST From: P30TMR8%NIU.BITNET@UICVM.UIC.EDU Subject: architecture is politics on the net, anyone can found a new culture. Just start up a new BB and you have a community. Soon that community has cultural norms and traditional enemies and a sense of relationship to other culture and the whole nine yards. You have people inacting there indentities on the net,sometimes, identities they could not live out nearly as fully in literal space.The rate at which the number of BB's is increasing any given momemt is also the rate at which human beings are mutating out in cyberspace. Makhail Bakhtin spoke of discourse formations as being realities we inhabit. We construct these discour se formations in collaberation with others as we interact. I think of the net as being not a consensual hallucination but a vast matrix of consensual hallucinations many of which partially overlap. An old fashioned pre-cyberspace social psychologist would say that we create ourselves by internalising the various discourse formations that we inhabit. Individuality comes from the distinctive ways we find to reconcile the commitments that flow from each of the discourse formations we inhabit with the commitment that flow from all the others. Archtecture is politics as Mitch Kapor has said and the archtecture of the net empowers and encourage s a multicultural politics of multiple objective realities co-exist- ing peacefully as islands on the net. The net enables groups to come into existence that could not exist in literal space. the net by its nature favors difference over sameness, diversity over conformity and creativity and constant innovation over the inertia of tradition and authority. Discourse formations splinter endlessly as subcultures spin off from subcultures. Each such new discourse formation is a newly evolved ecology containing niches that will be filled by varities of intelligent life which never had a place to exist before. The net favors rhetoric over grammar and freedom over power. Think about it .I'm stuck to a certain extent in my physical location. If I get disgusted with local norms here in Dekalb, Il, I can't set down at a machine and type "signoff DeKalb". If I get disgusted with "future", I can do exactly that. Also, if I realize that I am pissing an incredible number of people off at "future", I can avoid the heat by getting myself hence. I can't do this if I piss off my housemates or ,God help me, The DEKalb P.D. Thus, I am much freer and more improvisational in my approach to interactions in cyberspace than I ever could be in literal space. I can try things out more here and if I like how it feels it becomes a part of who I am. This is one way in which cyberspace interactions encourage rapid mutations. It is possible to exper- ience a whole lot very quickly jumping from discourse formation to discourse formations and if the experience morphs you into something really new and different there's probably a BB set aside for just the variety of new creature you've become. If not, start one damnit! You owe it to the younger monsters comeing up behind you! hey, you asked, Michael Roberts ______________________________ Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1993 19:14:50 -0500 From: Paul thomas Mc intire Subject: the cannibus patch In addition to curving such addictions as nicotine, what about using these derm patches for chemical enhancement purposes? (Such as cognitive enhancers, amino acids, vitamins...) It makes sense that the chemical would have to be h20 soluble..but what about combining it with a chemical such as DMSO? Me, with a squirt gun full of lsd and dmso, in the pentagon...Wheee! 8-) (just kidding fbi...) ______________________________ Date: Tue, 2 Feb 93 19:32:35 EST From: majcher@acsu.buffalo.edu (Murali) Subject: Religion (Was Re: Persian citizens) :>I'm curious...(oh no! another curiosty spiel that could cause much band- :>width!!) wat religions are you people out there on the future list :>practicing? I'm a Discordian Taoist Techno-Pagan Agnostic Shamanistic Sufi. Sometimes. :-) Murali, Oh, yeah, and an ordained Saivite Hindu Priest... majcher@acsu.buffalo.edu "I am forever in your debt!" New Edge Consulting Services | "Nonsense...how can a friend P.O. Box 156, Amherst, NY 14226 | be in debt?" Voice: (716) 834-1648 -From Russia With Love ______________________________ Subject: Re: Persian citizens (fwd) is religion Date: Tue, 2 Feb 93 20:39:55 EST From: Mitchell Porter > width!!) wat religions are you people out there on the future list > practicing? well, I'm an ordained subgenius minister, and co-sub-founder of the church of virtuality/reality, whose "scriptures" i encourage everyone to read.. [anon ftp, quartz.ruutgers.edu, /pub/Scripture] ______________________________ Date: Tue, 2 Feb 93 22:44:09 EST Subject: Lame Gurus From: an1226@anon.penet.fi (aliquis) Yawn. CYBERPUNK: Virtual sex, smart drugs and synthetic rock 'n' roll! --TIME cover 8 February 1993. Sure, but do they know how to set their umask values so that people can't peek? La-de-dah, let's check on one of the gurus... (BTW, if you enjoy this, & you can get on the WELL, try some of the other cyberpunk.gods from B. Sterling on. Not that they have anything much of interest....) [Actual session script, edited only to protect the guilty.] ============================================================== $ telnet well.sf.ca.us Trying... Connected to WELL.SF.CA.US, a SEQUENT-S27 running DYNIX. This is The WELL DYNIX(R) V3.1.0 (well) Type newuser to sign up. Type trouble if you are having trouble logging in. login: xxxxx Password: Last login: Tue Feb 2 XX:XX:XX from Xxxxxxx.xxx.xxxx DYNIX(R) V3.1.4 NFS #2 (): Tue Mar 31 12:38:27 PST 1992 ======================================================== You own your own words. This means that you are responsible for the words that you post on the WELL and that reproduction of those words without your permission in any medium outside of the WELL's conferencing system may be challenged by you, the author. Thanks for dropping into the WELL. If you haven't changed your password since October 15, 1992, please do so now. Type: change password at an OK prompt. **************************************************************** well 1: grep "Tim Leary" /etc/passwd timleary:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx:9339:200:Tim Leary:/uh/39/timleary:/usr/shell/menu well 2: cd /uh/39/timleary well 3: ls -l total 54 -rw-r--r-- 1 timleary well 728 Jun 12 1992 1 -rw-r--r-- 1 timleary well 441 Jun 12 1992 240 -rw-r--r-- 1 timleary well 479 Jun 12 1992 29 -rw-r--r-- 1 timleary well 403 Jun 12 1992 359 -rw-r--r-- 1 timleary well 535 Jun 12 1992 42thnnks -rw-r--r-- 1 timleary well 1096 Jun 12 1992 60 -rw-r--r-- 1 timleary well 1096 Jun 12 1992 62 -rw-r--r-- 1 timleary well 2051 Jun 12 1992 animatemcs -rw-r--r-- 1 timleary well 11360 Jun 12 1992 animatemike -rw-r--r-- 1 timleary well 4141 Jun 12 1992 barlow -rw-r--r-- 1 timleary well 523 Jun 12 1992 barlow2 -rw-r--r-- 1 timleary well 0 Jun 12 1992 c -rw-r--r-- 1 timleary well 11 Jun 12 1992 cbf.002464 -rw-r--r-- 1 timleary well 0 Jun 12 1992 cbf.005371 -rw-r--r-- 1 timleary well 527 Jun 12 1992 cbf.022859 -rw------- 1 timleary well 4 Jun 12 1992 dead.letter -rw-r--r-- 1 timleary well 727 Jun 12 1992 hlr -rw-r--r-- 1 timleary well 403 Jun 12 1992 info -rw------- 1 timleary well 16663 Jan 9 23:43 mbox -rw------- 1 timleary well 452 Jan 9 23:36 q -rw-r--r-- 1 timleary well 341 Jun 12 1992 xmodem.log well 4: cat 29 ______________________________ Date: Sun, 24 Jun 90 11:58:15 pdt From: rusirius (Mondo 2000) Subject: Re: Masonicks Yeah, great to have you virtually in the kitchen. Hope Steve might be helpful. He's advising us. Good business head! Ill further discuss the Burroughs thing with Mu & be back to you during the week. well 5: echo Heh He He He Heh He He He well 6: exit well 7: logout Connection closed by Foreign Host $ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To find out more about the anon service, send mail to help@anon.penet.fi. Due to the double-blind system, any replies to this message will be anonymized, and an anonymous id will be allocated automatically. You have been warned. Please report any problems, inappropriate use etc. to admin@anon.penet.fi. ______________________________ From: wbiesele@cadehp0.eng.utah.edu (William M Biesele) Subject: bill's email address Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1993 20:48:36 -36507155 (MST) a problem while fiddling around with elm today caused me to lose track of pres. bill's compuserve email address. could some kind soul please remail it, to me directly or to the list, whichever suits said kind soul's fancy? thanks, eternal gratitude, sloppy kisses, whatever - in advance. ---mike (who would join the church of the holy apathy if someone ever got around to founding one. i was never introduced to religion as a kid, and never felt much need for it as time progressed.) -- "paradise is exactly like where you are right now, only much, much better." w i l l i a m m i c h a e l b i e s e l e / wbiesele@cadehp0.eng.utah.edu ______________________________ Subject: Time Magazine article Date: Tue, 2 Feb 93 19:29:55 CST From: David Smith I thought the Time magazine article on cyberpunk did a pretty good job of presenting an overview of the situation. It gave enough information about the whole umbrella that it could spark an interest to explore a certain section more. For example, I started thinking about hypertext again. Is it really that cool? Is it really worth the effort? I used to create a hypertext e-zine, Scream N *me*me, but thought it was not enough bang for the buck. Everyone whose platform wasn'tsupported started yakking away, when's the mac version, when's the Amiga version, when's the unix version, when's the Commodore-64 version, ad nauseum. Spend all your time supporting damn platforms! So now I do Scream Baby, which is a pure text-only, Internet-format e-zine. Am I missing out? Should I go back to hypertext? * * * I looked at the weekly summary that Andy puts out,and I think he should put *all* his articles on the listserver, not just the faq and pseudo-agrippas. What do yall say? * * * Oops, back to the Time magazine. I just ignored the 3-4 paragraphs of preaching and moralizing, though I can see where some could be upset by it. Those same people who use cyberpunk as identity. Those who use it as a way of distinguishing themselves from others. ______________________________ From: Shalmaneser Subject: attitudes in SoZ Date: Tue, 2 Feb 93 20:02:12 PST SF books with future attitudes toward homosexuality reminds me of Stand on Zanzibar by John Brunner... homosexuality is more accepted for that same reason, that it doesn't add to the population. And the changes manifest themselves in very interesting ways-- the insult "bastard" has gone out of usage because marriage and family structures have changed too, so being a bastard child is no longer considered a bad thing. But the replacement insult is "bleeder," which refers to hemophelia. The overpopulation prob- lem is so bad that the right to have children is strictly legislated to only those couples with clean genotypes, and anyone with a disease in their heredity, ie a "bleeder" with hemophelia, is an outcast. As I said before, I highly recommend this book.. Kevin ______________________________ From: ahawks (X) Subject: Re: Lame Gurus (Privac-e in Cyberculture) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 93 21:11:22 MST New fresh-scented *aliquis* (150% real fruit juices!) says: | |Yawn. CYBERPUNK: Virtual sex, smart drugs and synthetic |rock 'n' roll! --TIME cover 8 February 1993. Yawn Re: Yawn. |Sure, but do they know how to set their umask values so that |people can't peek? La-de-dah, let's check on one of the gurus... Lah-de-dah we r k-k001! But you don't know the 8th circuit. You don't know the Politics of Ecstacy. Neuropolitique. Have you ever experienced a Flashback? Get the picture? Who cares if he doesn't know how to hide his files? There's things you don't gnow as well! And think about it, this is Timothy Leary, one of the most open-minded and unselfish-seeming people of modern pop culture. Let him be! I think you're the one who was spreading the brown acid. |(BTW, if you enjoy this, & you can get on the WELL, try some |of the other cyberpunk.gods from B. Sterling on. Not that |they have anything much of interest....) What's to enjoy about privacy intrusions for the sake of e-masturbation? Using an anology I abhor in a Cliif-Stoll-"This-is-your-Mac-on-Eggs" anology which happens to fit perfectly: Just because someone leaves their door unlocked doesn't mean you have right to grep the house. |[Actual session script, edited only to protect the guilty.] [IE: In this context we should *assume* all this is fake.] However, i'll assume it's real, because I'd bet it is. |well 1: grep "Tim Leary" /etc/passwd |timleary:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx:9339:200:Tim Leary:/uh/39/timleary:/usr/shell/menu |well 2: cd /uh/39/timleary |well 3: ls -l |total 54 |-rw-r--r-- 1 timleary well 728 Jun 12 1992 1 |-rw-r--r-- 1 timleary well 441 Jun 12 1992 240 |-rw-r--r-- 1 timleary well 479 Jun 12 1992 29 what, no 23? |-rw------- 1 timleary well 16663 Jan 9 23:43 mbox reason enough to leave him alone. I had 552 messages today in a 24 hr period, many of which are e-list-related. I can't imagine what it would be like to have 550 messages / week saying: "Does this work? Is this timothy leary?" Or "Dude...I'm tripppppnb nw!!@ I owswe ift to you bud-e!" Or "can you explain the 8th circuit to me? I don't get it." Or, God forbid, "do you know where I can get some acid? How much do *you* get it for?" Or, god forbid more, "do you still trip every day?" Let alone have to deal with the logs of people cding into his dir. Be gone J Evans Pritchard!! Rip! I don't hear eough ripping!! -- ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu FutureCulture: In/f0rmation ahawks@mindvox.phantom.com future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu ______________________________ Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1993 22:15:24 -0800 (PST) From: John Frost Subject: Re: Nicotine patches Does ahawks have Buddah nature? frost, mu? =?= moof? _________________________________________________________________________ | | | That's all for today! | | To send a message to the list: future@nyx.cs.du.edu | | To subscribe/unsubscribe/change format: future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu | | All other requests: future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu | | List Maintainer is: (andy [aka hawkeye]) ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu | |_________________________________________________________________________| | | | The opinions expressed in FutureCulture are those of the individual | | author only. | |_________________________________________________________________________|