From - Wed Jan 14 14:58:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: from relay2.UU.NET by mrco.carleton.ca (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA21483; Tue, 2 Feb 93 18:58:25 EST Received: from nyx.cs.du.edu by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA16773; Tue, 2 Feb 93 18:56:36 -0500 Received: by nyx.cs.du.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05376; Tue, 2 Feb 93 11:38:26 MST From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (andy) Message-Id: <9302021838.AA05376@nyx.cs.du.edu> X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of Denver. The University has neither control over nor responsibility for the opinions or correct identity of users. Subject: FutureCulture Digest #208 To: future-digest@nyx.cs.du.edu Date: Tue, 2 Feb 93 11:38:23 MST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: RO ______________________________________________________________________ |______________ / | | / | | u t u r e <___________ u l t u r e | _______________________________________________________________________| Issue #208 Tuesday, February 2nd 1993 Today's Topics: --------------- (MO) GAYS the Future, Cyberbigots body implants Legalising Drugs was (Re: body implants) memetic selection optic nerve Re: Persian citizens Re: Sexuality, homosexuality, Cyberpunk, Labels, the Meani Re: the cannabis patch :) was (Re: body implants) RIP -- archie.mcgill.ca the cannabis patch :) was (Re: body implants) __________________________________________________________________________ Date: 02 Feb 1993 02:29:30 -0600 (CST) From: "free agent .rez" Subject: memetic selection paul: >I can see mutating and crossing memes, via word play. But its the fitness >test I see as being difficult. I can't think of a way to determine the >*use* of a meme without actually introducing it into a human mind for >"analysis". in the text i'm reading on memetics, "genes vs. memes" by Walter A. Koch, he models it this way: SEXUAL RECOMBINATION is to FITNESS in GENES as COGNITION (internal consistency) is to EMOTIONAL SATISFACTION in MEMES. hey. it's just a model. :) at any rate, how does one "check" for FITNESS? wait til the next generation. if the specific trait was passed on, it passed the FITNESS test. similarly, i suppose, if the next time that general meme is relayed (reproduced) the "trait" or detail holds, it passed the fitness test, it stuck. no other way but to wait and see, seems to me. .rez ______________________________ Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1993 06:32:40 -0500 From: ah742@yfn.ysu.edu (TJ Martzial) Subject: body implants While on the thread of body implants, just thought i'd comment on those nicotine patches, no this is not a commercial . My father-in-law who is 71 has smoked AT lEAST 5 packs a day for %) 50 yrs. I mean a fucking blast furnace, the ultimate in everything you might hate about smokers, smokes WHILE he eats! anyway you get the image, he tried this nicotine patch thing and jesus christ he hasn't smoked in over 5 days! And says he feels great, I can't fuckingbelieveit. >>>>>waiting for the cannabis patch -- sativa@mindvox.phantom.com tj@well.sf.ca.us ah742@yfn.ysu.edu ______________________________ From: u9009914@athmail1.causeway.qub.ac.uk Subject: RIP -- archie.mcgill.ca Date: Tue, 02 Feb 93 11:40:27 GMT Today I tried to hook into the archie server @ mcgill and this happened .... ---------------------------------------------------------------------arc hie.rutgers.edu u9009914-31-% telnet archie.mcgill.ca Trying 132.206.44.21... Connected to kona.cc.McGill.CA. Escape character is '^]'. SunOS UNIX (kona.cc.mcgill.ca) login: archie The McGill School of Computer Science archie server has experienced an unrecoverable hardware failure and will remain unavailable for the forseeable future. Please use one of the other servers on the Internet: archie.rutgers.edu 128.6.18.15 (Rutgers University) archie.unl.edu 129.93.1.14 (University of Nebraska in Lincoln) archie.sura.net 128.167.254.179 (SURAnet archie server) archie.ans.net 147.225.1.2 (ANS archie server) archie.au 139.130.4.6 (Australian server) archie.funet.fi 128.214.6.100 (European server in Finland) archie.doc.ic.ac.uk 146.169.11.3 (UK/England server) archie.cs.huji.ac.il 132.65.6.15 (Israel server) archie.wide.ad.jp 133.4.3.6 (Japanese server) The archie client software is supported at all of these sites. Thank-you and we apologize for any inconvenience. Bunyip Information Systems Connection closed by foreign host. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Its a shame that the original has bit the dust BUT it's good to see that there are plenty of others on the net I think someone posted about this -- more or less -- to the net a while ago. So this may be a dead letter. Anyone know what happened to their server ?? just FYI n-joi gav u9009914@athmail1.causeway.qub.ac.uk <-- preferred gr.bell@v2.qub.ac.uk :: undergrad Psychology/CompSci Everything in Excess ! To enjoy the flavour of life, take big bites. Moderation is for monks. -- Lazurus Long ______________________________ Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1993 03:47:42 -0800 (PST) From: Loveweasle Subject: Legalising Drugs was (Re: body implants) On Tue, 2 Feb 1993, TJ Martzial wrote: > > While on the thread of body implants, just thought i'd comment on those > nicotine patches, no this is not a commercial . > My father-in-law who is 71 has smoked AT lEAST 5 packs a day for %) 50 yrs. > I mean a fucking blast furnace, the ultimate in everything you might hate > about smokers, smokes WHILE he eats! anyway you get the image, he tried this nicotine patch thing and jesus christ he hasn't smoked in over 5 days! > And says he feels great, I can't fuckingbelieveit. > > >>>>>waiting for the cannabis patch > > -- > sativa@mindvox.phantom.com > tj@well.sf.ca.us > ah742@yfn.ysu.edu ah it's great to be back on the net (for those few of you who knew me and forgot I existed :) I will take this oportunity to stretch my net-legs and post some severe noise. wastewastebandwitdh I hope the world never comes to the point of a cannibus patch (oh the thought!). I have noticed over the past few weeks, (and I apologize if this has been discussed) that the media (at least talk radio) has warmed to the idea of legalising drugs. I doubt we will see it real soon but if public opinion swings enough we just may see some drugs legalised. The 'masses' are finally starting to realise that alcohol and cigarettes are worse for you than many drugs. Social opinions are changing and besides the govt. can make more money taxing them than fighting them so why not? At any rate the day I can go down to the supermarket or wherever it may be sold and buy some MJ, I will be a happy camper. Quite a stoned happy camper I might add. Fisel@eskimo.com the loveweasle I've eaten the sun so my tongue has been burned from the taste ______________________________ From: u9009914@athmail1.causeway.qub.ac.uk Subject: the cannabis patch :) was (Re: body implants) Date: Tue, 02 Feb 93 12:26:58 GMT 2nd Attempt -- process died Cannibis patches nice idea -- no-one would get anything done AT ALL probably wouldn't work though as THC (tetra-hydro-cannibol) the active component of marijana is water insoluble -- I think that the nicotine patches work via skin absorbtion (correction anyone) -- BUT water pipes work wonderfully cool the smoke and remove some of the cancer-nastys which are water soluble -- see alt.drugs on ftp.u.washington.edu for a lot more info on what Fisel@eskimo.com syys Can you imagine the taxes on cocaine or X even if the street price was maintained, but the quality when up 20 packs of joints for 5 pounds saY 8 or 9 dollars The governments would make a killing !!! gav u9009914@athmail1.causeway.qub.ac.uk <-- preferred gr.bell@v2.qub.ac.uk :: undergrad Psychology/CompSci The memories may last for years, The names are just the souvenirs -- Andrew Eldritch, Sisters of Mercy ______________________________ Date: Tue, 2 Feb 93 08:54:29 EST From: "Ric Knight (416)474-3734" Subject: (MO) GAYS the Future, Cyberbigots >>>>> Opinions expressed here are my own and not those of IBM. <<<<< ------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- From the Home Range of Buffalo ---- ------------------------------------------------------------------- >But the "classic" cyberpunk literature I have been trying to get >belately familiarly with seems deeply heterosexist. Gay people are not >condemned, they simply don't seem to exist in these visions of the future. Not exactly true. In Neuromancer by Gibson the bouncers at a local bar are lesbians, and Lady Jane has some definately non hetrosexual views. Mind you these two examples are not fully developed into the plot but they do exist! =-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-= | _____//____\\ | SE-System Programmer| | ___/~````\/`~~`\/ Warm Regards, | IBM Canada Ltd| | ((/ ( -00- ) _ | (416) 474-3734| | | \ / |_) | (416) 609-5498| | \ | \ |oo| | \ic | Tie line 241| | | /"" ---| /\~~ |/ | | | || || || || |\night | BUFFALO @ TOROVM1| | ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ | RIC@VNET.IBM.COM| =-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-= ______________________________ From: sdw@meaddata.com (Stephen Williams) Subject: Re: Persian citizens Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1993 10:11:42 -0500 (EST) > > >From the cyberdeck of Al Billings... > -> I should post the MOCA intro to the list here. > > Feel free ... I know I'm interested. As we all know Islam wil spread even > further around the world. From what I understand it's the fastest growwing > religion. > > ->Grendel Grettisson aka Mustafa Bey > ->Imam of Greater Wallingford > > Steve J. White > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The opinions expressed herein are aragorn@convex.csd.uwm.edu > sometimes those of others. aragorn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu I feel (and hope) that among technically educated people, atheism is the fastest growing (substitute-for) religion. Most scientists and Sci-Fi authors are Humanists, agnostics, Deists, or atheists, IMHO. (The Most part is opinion. Asimov was Humanist. Einstein, Jefferson, Thomas Paine were Deists. (A Deist believes in God but not organized religion or a God interested in personal troubles.) Many others were atheists.) I'm not really concerned about which religion is propagating through the masses, since it only survives by meme-strength. Once you pass that line of irrationality, it's all down hill..... sdw FFRF member -- Stephen D. Williams Local Internet Gateway Co.; SDW Systems 513 496-5223APager LIG dev./sales Internet: sdw@world.std.com CIS 76244.210@compuserve.com OO R&D Source Dist. By Horse: 10028 Village Tree Ct., Miamisburg, OH 45342 GNU Support ICBM: 39 34N 85 15W I love it when a plan comes together ______________________________ Date: 02 Feb 1993 11:39:52 -0500 From: "Richard C. Wehrle" Subject: optic nerve I was watching the Discovery Channel the other night, and saw a show about computer sight. A blind man had some sort of interface on the back of his head connecting his optic nerve with a mainframe. Supposedly the scientists have decoded part of the optic nerve and the blind man reported seeing fuzzy black/white images and shapes that had been filmed and converted by the mainframe. Anyone else see this show? This show reminded me of those movies about recording dreams and such. (Brainstorm, etc.) It also gave me this idea for a Cellular Cortex Connection. A device that would be interfaced with the cerebral cortex and the optic nerve, allowing a nomadic connection with the net. The interface could be thought-controlled. Whoever had the best imagination could influence everyone's reality. Or would work more like sources and sinks, with the most imaginative people producing reality and the least imaginative consuming reality...! (or is this the way it already is........!!!!) WELL, i gotz ta FLOW, ~~~rich liquid~~~ is the lowest frequency ______________________________ Date: Tue, 2 Feb 93 09:11:16 -0800 From: Brian Willoughby Subject: Re: the cannabis patch :) was (Re: body implants) I'm wondering, did W.Gibson predict the technology which makes the nicotine patch possible with his "derms" back in 1985, or were these things well into research and early development by that time? I've only recently become aware of them, when some of my family used dramamine patches (for motion sickness) on their flight here to Seattle. Don't watch much TV, so I've only recently noticed the nicotine patches. --- Brian Willoughby Software Design Engineer, BSEE NCSU BrianW@SoundS.WA.com Sound Consulting: Software Design and Development NeXTmail welcome ______________________________ From: eknipp@lobo.rmhs.colorado.edu (Ethan Knipp) Subject: Re: Sexuality, homosexuality, Cyberpunk, Labels, the Meani Date: Tue, 2 Feb 93 10:55:42 MST from the mouth of Patrick McKee density living has caused psychological problems, especially since it is a relatively new phenomonon and almost no thought has been put into attempting to ease the alienation, discomfort and shock of such a living arrangement. However, I think that such problems can be lessened greatly if such an effort is made. The technology that now exists (some of which I am using to write this message with) enables an individual to have a great deal over his/her environment and community life, real and virtual, and can be used to easily create healthy, comfortable living arrangements in a minimum of space and regardless of geography. Not only that, but who says the place has te be dense? If it's on the ocean, we've got millions of square acres! You can just go off swimming somewhere, or teke o boat off for a while. No biggie. Not like NYC, where you can't go anywhere. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -fold here- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Ha!sSinge # "well we had to drown the gat, but we saved you two gittens" ------> Sebastian Hassinger: hassinge@sfu.ca <------ "run, run as fast as you can, you can't catch me, I'm the gingerbread man!" -- Ethan The Unbeliever eknipp@lobo.rmhs.colorado.edu ______________________________ Date: Tue, 2 Feb 93 09:53:34 PST From: Al Sargent Subject: Re: the cannabis patch :) was (Re: body implants) Back around '83 or so, I remember seeing an ad for Transderm Scop, a patch for seasickness. Since Neuromancer came out around '84, it is possible that Gibson took his idea from these kind of products, and didn't make it up on his own. al ~~ From sounds!brianw@nwnexus.wa.com Tue Feb 2 09:26:14 1993 ~~ X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University ~~ of Denver. The University has neither control over nor ~~ responsibility for the opinions or correct identity of users. ~~ Date: Tue, 2 Feb 93 09:11:16 -0800 ~~ From: Brian Willoughby ~~ To: future@nyx.cs.du.edu ~~ Subject: Re: the cannabis patch :) was (Re: body implants) ~~ Reply-To: sounds!brianw@nwnexus.wa.com ~~ ~~ I'm wondering, did W.Gibson predict the technology which makes the ~~ nicotine patch possible with his "derms" back in 1985, or were these ~~ things well into research and early development by that time? I've only ~~ recently become aware of them, when some of my family used dramamine ~~ patches (for motion sickness) on their flight here to Seattle. Don't ~~ watch much TV, so I've only recently noticed the nicotine patches. ~~ --- ~~ Brian Willoughby Software Design Engineer, BSEE NCSU ~~ BrianW@SoundS.WA.com Sound Consulting: Software Design and Development ~~ NeXTmail welcome ~~ _________________________________________________________________________ | | | That's all for today! | | To send a message to the list: future@nyx.cs.du.edu | | To subscribe/unsubscribe/change format: future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu | | All other requests: future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu | | List Maintainer is: (andy [aka hawkeye]) ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu | |_________________________________________________________________________| | | | The opinions expressed in FutureCulture are those of the individual | | author only. | |_________________________________________________________________________|