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Subject: FutureCulture Digest #165 To: future-digest@nyx.cs.du.edu Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 23:30:14 MST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: R ______________________________________________________________________ |______________ / | | / | | u t u r e <___________ u l t u r e | _______________________________________________________________________| Issue #165 Monday, December 28th 1992 Today's Topics: --------------- re mind toys (do it yourself) Appropr-e8 (feel your thermometer local-e) feeling local thermometers Mind-L list Re: agr1ppa and agrippa Re: feeling local thermometers Weekly FC Administrivia __________________________________________________________________________ Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 02:07:27 -0800 From: ccat@netcom.com (Chris Beaumont) Subject: Mind-L list The mind-l (brain machine) list is at asylum, not yorkvm.. i.e. mind-l@asylum.sf.ca.us .......... ccat ______________________________ Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 14:12:03 CET From: mr clean Subject: re mind toys (do it yourself) well, i havent tried some of these mind toys, but some friends of mine have, and apparently it is damn easy| they used a collection of LEDs mounted inside some glasses, connected to the parallel port on a PC. a friend said that he got these way wierd tripping experiences, well cool i am thinking of trying this out myself, and i will get the details from him on how to fix it up, and the software to run the LEDs properly.. apparently they had quite a few experiments and got some good results tim ______________________________ From: wixer!pacoid@cs.utexas.edu (Paco Xander Nathan) Subject: feeling local thermometers Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 4:27:47 CST > Geeze, come on guys, all this "my city is better than yours" stuff is getting > boring.. These "cyberpunk city" discussions are worse than the "cyberpunk > music" discussions... > > Besides, NYC is much more cyberpunk than Austin! Too many damn hicks in > tejas! > > (absence of :) in above sentance due to radically anti-smilie mood, not > inappropriateness) > morpheus@entropy.mcds.com ("morph") Yeh, right, I deserved that one.. for leaving NYC to migrate to Austin. Okay, well, I guess a /REAL/ "cyberpunk city" would need to have massive violence and lots-o healthy toxins to force rapid mutations. So, fuck, I guess Camden or Gary are the lucky winners for the US.. Just wait 'till bladex hears that "damn hix" ululance ... pxn. ---- thus are worse than the "cybetter than yours" stuff is are worse than than Austin! These "cyberpunk city" discussions are cyberpunk this "my city is "my city is better thand lots-o healthy toxins too many damn hicks in absence of :) in aboring.. Thealthy too music" deserved for leaving NYC is much more sentance due to radically above sentance boring.. These than thy toxins than the "cyberpunk than Austins than All this "my city is much more cyberpunk city" dis "my city is better that one.. force rapid massive violence of :) in above sentance duesscome on guys, all this "my city is better than yours" stuff is your mother sniffing Lemon Pledge. ---- e-Nuph sed. ______________________________ Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 07:46:59 -0800 (PST) From: Fisel Subject: Re: feeling local thermometers @Begin Sarcasm oh ya now I realize what all my Seattle ranting sounded like. Puke. Ok wEll then Seattle sucks. We don't want you here. Stay the fuck out. It rains too much here and we drink to much coffee. All the people are miserable and we think everyone should die. @End Sarcasm The sarcam light is now off. I must admit I did get a little caught up in it. So sue me I like it here. 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If it's not there, start it up! Don't wait for the #future, make the #future. =) You can also find the FutureCulture FAQ on the IRC, with the #CyberPunk Bot. Join Channel #CyberPunk and type: /msg CyberBot send info. _______________________________________________________________________________ If the list is dead, you might try posting something new. Here are some suggestions: computer underground cyberculture cyberpunk (literary and cultural movements) cyberspace new edge nootropics or other drugs raves technoculture virtual reality music, movies, books, magazines that fit into the mold _____________________________________________________________________________ ______________________________ From: ahawks (we're tiny we're toony) Subject: Re: agr1ppa and agrippa Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 10:22:20 MST New fresh-scented *George Thompson* (150% real fruit juices!) says: | |After reading both of them I am confused as to what either Kroupa or |Gibson is saying about anything. Ahh, see, you're looking for rational meaning....You're already down the wrong path!! =) |Agrippa is flat emotionless and a lousy poem, the greater work might have |had something to it, it sounded experimental. I agree...I've said before I think the whole medium and the artistic value of Agrippa as a holistic McLuhan-esque construction is more important than the poem continuing to live and propogate on it's own, with people printing it out and passing it like some dumb ole chain letter - Gibson, I don't think, thought through just how far his one drop of red dye in the blue waters of cyberspace would spread - it's infinite, and now there are too many Agrippa pupies all over the place.. |Agr1ppa is labeled as "funnier than the original" its not funny at all, |its jarring, disturbing and plain weird. Any time some trace of humor or |lightness enters, it detours into some strange angle and all in all after |reading it makes me feel unhinged in some way. I can't figure out how I |feel exactly, which might be what makes me back away from it completely. I agree...I thought bits and pieces of it were funny, though I think once again PKK has invited us in (no invitation necessary) to a part of the gestalt where the door is usually closed....PKK seems to have a permanent PO Box at the Mad Hatter's Tea Party... The one thing that jumped out at me in reading Agr1ppa (which I loved, BTW - it was supremely more entertaining, I thought, then Gibson's poem) is the way PKK always intertwines life-in-cyberspace, an expansive subjective creativity, and an eyeballs-eyeballs-eyeballs acid-like ambience.... I love his shit....If he wrote a book I'd buy it.....Even reading his posts on the Vox is a serious trip, tho there's times when the el1t3 filters overload, resulting in sensory deprvation and a jittery finger over the 'n' [skip-to-next] key.... |I honestly can't picture what Gibson had to say with Agrippa or where Memories...like the corners of the net... rom-constructs....etc.... |Agr1ppa comes from or what its supposed to mean its not a parody as Take Agrippa's intent and explode into [hyper]space..... Agr1ppa comes from wihin... |digital said, what is it? Autobiographical.....art....poetry.....appropriation....digital..... -- ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu FutureCulture: In/f0rmation ahawks@mindvox.phantom.com future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu ______________________________ From: ahawks (we're tiny we're toony) Subject: Appropr-e8 (feel your thermometer local-e) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 10:32:05 MST New fresh-scented *Paco Xander Nathan* (150% real fruit juices!) says: | |> Geeze, come on guys, all this "my city is better than yours" stuff is gettin |> boring.. These "cyberpunk city" discussions are worse than the "cyberpunk |> music" discussions... |> |> Besides, NYC is much more cyberpunk than Austin! Too many damn hicks in |> tejas! |> |> (absence of :) in above sentance due to radically anti-smilie mood, not |> inappropriateness) |> morpheus@entropy.mcds.com ("morph") | |Yeh, right, I deserved that one.. for leaving NYC to migrate to Austin. |Okay, well, I guess a /REAL/ "cyberpunk city" would need to have massive |violence and lots-o healthy toxins to force rapid mutations. So, fuck, I |guess Camden or Gary are the lucky winners for the US.. Just wait 'till |bladex hears that "damn hix" ululance ... | |pxn. |---- |thus are worse than the "cybetter than yours" stuff is are worse than |than Austin! These "cyberpunk city" discussions are cyberpunk this |"my city is "my city is better thand lots-o healthy toxins too many |damn hicks in absence of :) in aboring.. Thealthy too music" deserved |for leaving NYC is much more sentance due to radically above sentance |boring.. These than thy toxins than the "cyberpunk than Austins |than All this "my city is much more cyberpunk city" dis "my city is |better that one.. force rapid massive violence of :) in above sentance |duesscome on guys, all this "my city is better than yours" stuff is |your mother sniffing | |Lemon Pledge. |---- | |e-Nuph sed. sed "e/Nuph/" your mother sniffing lots-o healthy toxins for leaving NYC is much more sentance due to radically above sentance better that one.. violence of :) in above sentance damn hicks in absence of :) in aboring.. Thealthy too music" deserved thus are worse than the too many "cybetter than yours" stuff is force rapid massive are worse than duesscome on guys, all this "my city is better than yours" stuff is than Austin! These "cyberpunk city" discussions are cyberpunk this "my city is "my city is better thand -- ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu FutureCulture: In/f0rmation ahawks@mindvox.phantom.com future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu _________________________________________________________________________ | | | That's all for today! | | To send a message to the list: future@nyx.cs.du.edu | | To subscribe/unsubscribe/change format: future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu | | All other requests: future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu | | List Maintainer is: (andy [aka hawkeye]) ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu | |_________________________________________________________________________| | | | The opinions expressed in FutureCulture are those of the individual | | author only. | |_________________________________________________________________________|