From - Wed Jan 14 11:32:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.UU.NET by mrco.carleton.ca (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA03339; Tue, 22 Dec 92 01:37:35 EST Received: from nyx.cs.du.edu by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA06939; Tue, 22 Dec 92 01:31:37 -0500 Received: by nyx.cs.du.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03418; Mon, 21 Dec 92 23:30:15 MST From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (andy) Message-Id: <9212220630.AA03418@nyx.cs.du.edu> X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of Denver. The University has neither control over nor responsibility for the opinions or correct identity of users. Subject: FutureCulture Digest #159 To: future-digest@nyx.cs.du.edu Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 23:30:14 MST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: R ______________________________________________________________________ |______________ / | | / | | u t u r e <___________ u l t u r e | _______________________________________________________________________| Issue #159 Monday, December 21st 1992 Today's Topics: --------------- Agr1ppa . Obtain a clue mein dudens AIA's FutureCulture Digest #156 (fwd) Intercash (Tm) Major/Ratios/Life Net.Money Practical Neural Implant (Hope for Bill Leeb) re: brain transplant Re: Galacticomm Ratios & RaveZzzz Re: Intercash (Tm) Re: Internet access (Re: Seattle (Re: local feeling thermometer)) Re: Major/Ratios/Life Re: ominous coincidence Re: Seattle (Re: local feeling thermometer) Re: Those AIA's... Re: your mail (Agr1ppa) Weekly FC Administrivia Whobot, Youbot, You Got What I Need!! Lemme Kiss Myself... __________________________________________________________________________ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 23:12:42 -0800 (PST) From: Al Billings Subject: Re: Internet access (Re: Seattle (Re: local feeling thermometer)) On Sun, 20 Dec 1992, Brian Willoughby wrote: > Northwest Nexus offers (and I subscribe to) UUCP, SLIP and PPP > services for $10 a month (each; available separately). $10 buys 10 > hours of time for each service, with each additional hour billed at > $3/hour. Higher levels of service are available at a higher basic > charge, but I do not need a dedicated line just yet. I was refering to Public Access Unixes as well. I've always been able to find a free feed if I was willing to live with its limitations when I wanted to get Usenet and mail on my machine at home. Since I'm a student, I don't bother now. NWNexus offers good rates but I have heard of throughput problems in the past and some other things. ______________________________ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 23:15:35 -0800 (PST) From: Al Billings Subject: Re: Seattle (Re: local feeling thermometer) On Sun, 20 Dec 1992, this is not my beautiful wife wrote: > I've lived in Spokane, across the state... My sympathies...=) > Well, lessee, Seattle has a rave scene, it seems to have it's fair > share of Int'l Business.....It would seem like a nice retreat when the > Bay Area gets too clogged... The only Rave scene I've noticed is the "fake" one that has attached itself to various clubs claiming to have Raves. Of course, I'm notoriously out of touch with things that aren't either a) electronic (like this) or b) involve ritual magic or the local pagan community. Those tend to be where I'm at. As for the Int'l business, yeah, we have lots of that. We are a Port City. Wassail, Al ______________________________ Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 00:14:30 -0800 (PST) From: Loveweasle Subject: Re: Seattle (Re: local feeling thermometer) On Sun, 20 Dec 1992, Al Billings wrote: > > On Sun, 20 Dec 1992, this is not my beautiful wife wrote: > > > I've lived in Spokane, across the state... > > My sympathies...=) > > > Well, lessee, Seattle has a rave scene, it seems to have it's fair > > share of Int'l Business.....It would seem like a nice retreat when the > > Bay Area gets too clogged... > > The only Rave scene I've noticed is the "fake" one that has attached > itself to various clubs claiming to have Raves. Of course, I'm notoriously > out of touch with things that aren't either a) electronic (like this) or > b) involve ritual magic or the local pagan community. Those tend to be > where I'm at. > > As for the Int'l business, yeah, we have lots of that. We are a Port City. > > Wassail, > Al > Yeah I have to admit there is a tremendous "fake" rave scene in Seattle. althought there is also a real one. i however do not go to them that often as that is not really my scene. Sorry it's the grunger in me again. I however give my deepest sympsthies to anyone moving to spokane. Anyone who likes spokane please direct flames to: Fisel@eskimo.com ______________________________ From: sml@mfltd.co.uk (Shaun Lowry) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 10:35:02 GMT Subject: Re: ominous coincidence >I think it's highly improbable, but not impossible. I remember reading a long >time ago that the Commodode Pet computer could be programmed to >fry itself. I wish I could remember what made it do this exactly. I *think* it was something to do with being able to set up a positive feedback loop in the serial port driver from assembler. I remember some guy pulling exactly this stunt in my CS class way back when we were using PETs. He flunked, I lived to hack another day :-) Shaun. -- /s(Shaun Lowry)def/g{.7 setgray}def/c{10 0 -1 arc fill}def 300 600 100 0 360 arc stroke 300 600 50 180 0 arc stroke g 300 600 c stroke 1 2 scale 270 325 c stroke 330 325 c stroke grestore 125 450 moveto/Helvetica findfont 60 scalefont setfont gsave 0.03 .09 rmoveto g [ 1 0 2 -1 0 0 ] concat s show grestore s show showpage ______________________________ Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 15:09:45 +0100 From: tor@geomatic.no (Tor Langballe) Subject: AIA's "Peter A. McNamara" writes I realize that the idea of little entities is very appealing, but wouldnt something like that be better served by setting up (distributed, of course, over some huge number of participant computers, like Usenet) a big indexing system like a library, for archive sites on just about any topic you can think of, and making publicly available some sort of 'client' that lets you request chunks of data, and the index searches itself, and pulls up either the list of sites with the information, or, a big list of all the 'stuff' it found...? It could be in some ways similar to the library computers, where you request information on... 'black holes' for example, and you get a list of all the references on black holes. If you like, then.. the net could be turned into one big 'librarian'. Sending entire AIA's over the net would be a waist, a standard program for "running" an AIA could exist on all machines, and only the info that makes a perticular AIA unique would have to be sendt, i.e the weights in the neural net of an AIA, if it was based on such technology. Having AIA's seems a lot more cyberpunk-anarchistic and appealing to me, than a library that is a sentral, government type thing. -Tor O --------------------------O------------------------------------------------O ! Tor Langballe ! Yesterday I logged out of cyberspace and went ! ! day : +47 2 50 43 30 ! for a walk. I got run over by a bus. Luckily ! ! nite : +47 2 44 96 39 ! I was in a nested, double log-in session. ! ! fax : +47 2 50 05 55 ! ! ! net : tor@geomatic.no ! ! ! space: Eckersbergsgate 31 ! ! ! 0266 OSLO 2 Norway ! ! O---------------------------!------------------------------------------------O ______________________________ Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 09:26:50 -0500 From: ah185@yfn.ysu.edu (Christopher L. Tumber) Subject: Net.Money There are A LOT of warez boards still using ratios, hell, I know a number of PD boards with ratios (!!) Consider Major BBS (by Galacticom. I know, it's not exactly one of the most common prgs, but bear with me.) Major operates completely on a credit basis (I've yet to see one that wasn't pay...users actually buy their creds). Creds are consumed as the clock ticks, and may be expended in various other ways...certain sections of the board may be deemed 'premium' and burn credits faster, there is online gambling (Lotto, Poker, Bingo) and of course users can transfer creds from one to another. Most significant I think is files. Major BBS can be configured so that uploaders get a percentage whenever one of their uploads get downloaded (ie, if I took X credits to download, the uploader might get X/10 or X/5 or whatever creds.) Theoretically, you could survive on royalties (If you uploaded enough). Of course, hardly anybody downloads... I look forward to Net.Money, Net.Prostitution and Net.Gambling, particularly in IRC. Imagine permanent #Brothel and #Casino. Seriously, it would be VERY cool to be able to make ones living completely within the net. There are probably many ways to do this 'legitemately'. For example, there's been much ado about wading through noise in mailboxes. What about a clipping service(s). Somebody could read through whatever relevant newsgroups/lists (because no matter how good you're parameters Grep will always miss stuff, and give you stuff that's not REALLY interesting just because a file has the word Agrippa in it doesn't make it interesting...) and just send you the good stuff...For a fee of course, kind of a moderated mailing list. What about Net.Taxes? <356K .sig file follows> ______________________________ From: ahawks (andy) Subject: Weekly FC Administrivia Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 10:00:07 MST ______________________________________________________________________ |______________ / | | / | | u t u r e <___________ u l t u r e | _______________________________________________________________________| ________________________________________________________________________________ Vital ListStats as of December 21st 1992: Realtime: 236 Digest : 213 FAQ-Only: 145 ::::::::: Total : 594 Current Digest is Issue #159. ________________________________________________________________________________ To post to the FutureCulture list, send your mmessage to: future@nyx.cs.du.edu ALL Requests to FutureCulture must be sent to: future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu [All request messages should garner an auto-reply msg. ] [If future-request does not *consistently* work for you ] [then please send your message to: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu] The subject of request mail must have one of the following: subscribe realtime -subscribe in realtime (reflector) format subscribe digest -subscribe in daily-digest (1 msg / day format) subscribe faq -subscribe to faq only (1 msg every few months) unsubscribe realtime unsubscribe digest unsubscribe faq help -receive a help file send info -receive this file send faq -receive a recent copy of the faq if you need one (list subscribers *automatically* receive this) * When unsubscribing, you must unsubscribe from the same address you subscribed from. 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Tumber sputtered the following: -> ->There are A LOT of warez boards still using ratios, hell, I know a number ->of PD boards with ratios (!!) It's moving out of style among a lot of systems though. Most of the major elites, as far as I can tell (I stopped my k-RaddDd!!11! pirating some time back... so I'm not on th' ball) have gone no ratio, and all the quality h/p/a systems in the Boston Area (ATDT,Works, BioHazard, etc.) are no-ratio. The board I run myself recently went no ratio, and hell I believe in a free exchange. Ratios are there for the leech-0-rama users who don't contribute. Bad enough that they don't post, but if they don't`upload either, I get seriously pissed. I don't believe in post/call ratios, but I insituted one that just insults the users. Enough BBS bullshit, this here is the Internet... Connectivity. ->Consider Major BBS (by Galacticom. I know, it's not exactly one of the most ->common prgs, but bear with me.) Major operates completely on a credit basis ->(I've yet to see one that wasn't pay...users actually buy their creds). ->Creds are consumed as the clock ticks, and may be expended in various ->other ways...certain sections of the board may be deemed 'premium' and ->burn credits faster, there is online gambling (Lotto, Poker, Bingo) and ->of course users can transfer creds from one to another. Most significant ->I think is files. Major BBS can be configured so that uploaders get a ->percentage whenever one of their uploads get downloaded (ie, if I took ->X credits to download, the uploader might get X/10 or X/5 or whatever creds.) ->Theoretically, you could survive on royalties (If you uploaded enough). Of ->course, hardly anybody downloads... Boston Area (617) has a large Galacticomm System called Argus which is free o' charge to anyone and gives you scads of credits, and if you run out, just write the sysop and they give more. I don't know of anyone running out. Argus has 57 lines and is a shambling mound of crap. It's sad to see a system with such potential be dragged down by the low IQ of its users... All they do is live in the chat area, like a 24 hr IRC with an even *lower* IQ... :( Right Redline? Snorf. And no file transfers via chat either. The sysops are incompetent and while a lot of hackers/phreaks used to hang out late at night, they generally have stopped calling altogether, as have I. And re: Being cool to live in the net - Don't forget, kids. As wonderful as all this is, there is a certain wonder to standing up and walking into the center of town and buying a loaf of bread, some cheese and liverwurst and picking up an actual paper newspaper and so forth. If it was all on the net, we'd lose an important part of society. Maybe meat interactions don't interest you, but when virtual sex comes around, I'm going to get worried. "Hey Random, why have sex with me and risk diseases and get all sweaty and passionate when you can have sex with my VirtualImage(tm)?!" I don't think so, kids. ->What about Net.Taxes? I'm sure everyone here is for it. It may be nice to file your taxes via the internet, and then specify a certain percentage to go to Internet development. - Random Tox I hate incompetent SysAdmins and SysOps. ______________________________ From: Visceral Clamping Mechanism Subject: Practical Neural Implant (Hope for Bill Leeb) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 11:01:04 PST You are all going to have to forgive me if this is formatted really badly. We had a power outage at work, and our network server went down, and has been down for a while, so I am calling in on a modem hooked up to a wacky hp terminal for which the system I am on has no termcap entry. my vi screen is a complete nightmare. I can't really make out what I am doing. Anyhow, I got a phone call about something a friend saw on Nova that I think might be of interest to the list. It involves HUMAN BRAIN TRANSPLANT. (Sorry, that kind of phrase simply cannot get by without capitals.) The scoop is (assuming this is true; I'd like to hear verification) that some Swedish researchers have transplanted brain tissue from aborted fetuses into the brains of two people who had symptoms very like those of the catatonics in "Awakenings" due to ingestion of a bad dose of heroin that was floating around San Francisco a while ago. The two individuals would remain catatonic for up to several hours. Apparently the brain tissue "took" and linked up, and after a while, the individuals were more or less normal, and were able to ride bicycles. I know that this sounds incredible, and I'm not saying that I've got all the details right, but even if I don't, it makes good list fodder, I think. If someone who actually saw the show would like to provide a clearer picture, please do so. Gracias, @Man -- atman@rahul.net || Er, can I get a witness, please? Russell's in the hedgerow? Who the FUCK is Russell? ______________________________ Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 12:06:50 PST From: Al Sargent Subject: Re: Those AIA's... ~~ ~~ I was thinking about the idea of making little intelligent entities that ~~ 'roam' the net, and of course, I ran into the same problem that a lot of ~~ people ran into... it would be unrealistic for a net community of ... how ~~ many? to send out sets of self-replicating little virus-doggies to hunt down ~~ data for them. Can you imagine the amount of CPU time that would be spent ~~ just shuffling them around? ~~ True, CPU usage would go up due to the overhead of copying the buggers to new locations. But net traffic would go way down, since you wouldn't examine remote drives. So it's a question of costs versus benefits. ~~ I realize that the idea of little entities is very appealing, but wouldnt ~~ something like that be better served by setting up (distributed, of course, ~~ over some huge number of participant computers, like Usenet) a big indexing ~~ system like a library, for archive sites on just about any topic you can ~~ think of, and making publicly available some sort of 'client' that lets you ~~ request chunks of data, and the index searches itself, and pulls up either ~~ the list of sites with the information, or, a big list of all the 'stuff' it ~~ found...? It could be in some ways similar to the library computers, where ~~ you request information on... 'black holes' for example, and you get a list ~~ of all the references on black holes. If you like, then.. the net could be ~~ turned into one big 'librarian'. ~~ In other words, you would have programs that reside on servers and take search requests and send back results? Al ______________________________ Subject: FutureCulture Digest #156 (fwd) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 8:59:49 From: Brian McBee >From the keyboard or AI of from!csusac.ecs.csus.edu!citrus.!vector0.!jon: > > From: tor@geomatic.no (Tor Langballe) > > Subject: net.currency > > > > As we live more and more in cyberspace, some form of currency will be needed, > > or what do other people think? > > Currency has already existed in cyberspace, and has already been > shot down. > Doesn't anyone remember the warezzzz boards of old? Download credits? > Some systems were real strict, some systems were lax, depending on the > quality (ie, timely-ness) of their software collection. A c00l board > would be more strict because it had the l8test wares. > Posting a message sometimes got you credits, sometimes with a > complex system attached (ie, greater than 500 bytes but less than 4k, > to illiminate one-liners and quoted docs from the cash flow). > Uploading a program obviously gave you credits, usually in a > 3:1 ratio for downloading. And you also got the time you spent uploading > back, so uploading a lot wouldn't use your online-time. There are several things wrong with these aborted attempts: 1. There was no way to transfer credits between systems. 2. There was no way to transfer credits between individuals. 3. The credits were created (for the most part) ONLY for uploads of new software, so the only ones which became rich (credit wise) were crackers. If there were some form of net cash that could be used net-wide, and traded for anything, I think it would be useful. And if it were anonymous (private), it would be VERY useful. > --Jon > -- Brian McBee * (503)370-7454 * brian@linux.osl.or.gov * PGP key on request. ______________________________ From: Steven J. Subject: Re: ominous coincidence Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 15:12:40 CST ______________________________ From: the!the ->I think it's highly improbable, but not impossible. I remember reading a long ->time ago that the Commodode Pet computer could be programmed to ->fry itself. I wish I could remember what made it do this exactly. Uh huh ... there was a loop command which would send some circuit in the system into a thermal runaway. I never saw this happen but I did talk to someone who did this at their school when I was in high school (circa 1979). Steve J. White ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- aragorn@convex.csd.uwm.edu aragorn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu ______________________________ Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:47:56 -0500 From: ah185@yfn.ysu.edu (Christopher L. Tumber) Subject: Major/Ratios/Life Mr. Tox Sez... > It's moving out of style among a lot of systems though. Most of >the major elites, as far as I can tell Well, the locals up here (Ottawa) are still very much into ratio. Mind you, I've been out of the K-radddd scene for four or five years I haven't kept up with the Int'l scene for quite some time. > The board I run myself recently went no ratio, and hell I believe >in a free exchange. Ratios are there for the leech-0-rama users who don't Yeah, I ran a board when I lived in Toronto (MUCH better local scene) which had a theoretical 4:1 ratio, but basically I didn't give a shit. It just bugged me when bozos tied up the line during peak hours. > Boston Area (617) has a large Galacticomm System called Argus >which is free o' charge to anyone and gives you scads of credits, and if >you run out, just write the sysop and they give more. There's one big Major BBS in Ottawa (613) called Technical Magic (There are/have been a number of wannabee's, but it's a pretty small market for pay boards, and Tech's the only one that's stood the test of time..). I believe it's the 2nd largest board in town line-wise (12) but not a lot of disk space. It's okay (Hell, I run a Forum on it...) considering what's available around here, but a lot of Teleconf junkies and newbies. >Don't forget, kids. As wonderful as all this is, there is a >certain wonder to standing up and walking into the center of town and >buying a loaf of bread, some cheese and liverwurst and picking up an >actual paper newspaper and so forth. Hey mang, I make my livelyhood as a street vendor (It was about 20 below (Celcius) today..) don talk ta me about WONDER! >but when virtual sex comes around, I'm going to get worried. Been there, done that, not impressed... <356K .sig file follows> ______________________________ Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:50:47 -0500 From: ah185@yfn.ysu.edu (Christopher L. Tumber) Subject: Intercash (Tm) The fact is that most Internet users (Or their companies/schools) allready pay for basic Internet connectivity I would expect that about 90% of services currently available 'for free' on Internet would stay that way just because that is their nature (ie Usenet, FTP). About the only thing I can see changing is E-mags. It might become profitable to publish electronic magazines, sure that means you might have to actually PAY for Phrack, but on the other hand, think of the incentive for others to start E-mags (face it, it's a lot of work!) or for traditional mags to publish electronic versions. Intercash (Tm) (Royalties! I want royalties!) WOULD, I think, lead to an introduction of all kinds of new services. Software Co. might allow you to purchase software online for example... Someone compared Intercash (Tm) to Compuserve/Prodigy, I think this comparisson is completely off. As I understand Compuserve/Prodigy (No, I'm not on either, so I may be making erroneous assumption...Flame away) and traditional pay BBS's for that matter, you pay the sysop/sysadmin/company for use of the system. The cash flow is strictly in that one direction. However, with Intercash (Tm) the flow would be multi-directional. There is no real 'central authority' for Internet, Intercash would flow between users and services, users and users, services and services... The down side ------------- alt.begging alt.loansharks You could keep book (sports betting) through a modified Listserv. No fuss, no muss... Hacking gets all the more intresting. We all know how little concern A LOT of users show for computers. Getting a hold of someone's key could be very profitable. Who gets to 'print' money? 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"ARtHUR 0n D1xie", L1k3w1se 1919, RAtHer 1ll At eas3. 0N tHE R0()f beH1ND tHe barn, b3hind H1M, cAN BE Made 0uT TH1s crypt1c mark: H.V.J.M.[?] "PApA'S Mi|l 1919", My gr&fath3r m0st reGal am1d A Wrack ()f cUT LUmBer, mIgHT aS easilY b3 th3 r3c0rd 0F s0Me lat3r D3M()|1T10n, & HIs C0tT0n sl3eVes ar3 r0ll3d t0 bUT n0t past ThE 3lb()w, sTRIPeD, w1th A WH1te n3ckb& f0R THe attachmeNT 0F a c0llar. BEhINd him st&S A c0Ne 0f sawdust s()me tH1Rty fE3T 1n h31Ght. (H0w THaT fe3lS T() tUmb|3 d0wn, 0R sMELls wh3N It is w3t) 1I. THe MeChan1sm: sTAmped black t1n, LEaTHeRett3 0V3R caRdb()ard, b1ts ()f b0xW()0d, A lENs THe SHuTter falLs F0REVeR DIvID1Ng that Fr0M tH1zz. N0W IN High-c3iL1nG b3dr00mzz, uN0cCUP1ed, unviSited, 1N tHE B0tt0m dRaWerS 0f v3n33r3d bur3AuS 1N c00l chemiCaL dArkn3ss curl c0mmeM()RaT1v3 m0NtAGeS ()f th3 c0UntRy's W0rld War d3Ad, jUSt AS I myselF d1Sc0v3r3d 0Ne 0Ther summeR 1n an att1c trunk, & BeNEaTh that eVerY b()y's b3st tr3asUre 0F tARN1Shed acTuA| aMmun1t10n rEaL Littl3 bIts 0f war bUT ALs0 tHe MeChan1sm 1TSELf. THe BlUed fiN1SH 0F f1r3arms 1S a PR0Ceszz, c0NtR()|Led, der1ved fr0m c0mM0n RUsT, but tH3Re uNDER s0 rar3 & UnC()mm0n a pat1na tHAt MAnY years uNT()uCh3d uNTIL I t00k iT up & TUrNInG, entrAnCed, d()wn th3 unpa1nteD STair, t0 tHE Ha||way WhEr3 1 sw3ar 1 NEVeR heard tHe F1rst sh0t. THe C0pPer-jacK3Ted slug r3c()ver3d fR0m TH3 bathr00M'S caRdb()ard cy|1nd3r 0F M0rT0n's SalT wAS UND3F0rm3d sAVE F0R th3 faiNT bR1ght marks 0f l&s & Gr00ves s0 h0T, StilleD 3nergy, 1T bLiSter3d My H&. THe GUn lay 0n tHe Dusty carpet. REtURN1Ng in uTtEr Aw3 1 t00k 1t s0 cAreFul|y UP THAt TH3 sec0nd sH()t, equally un1nt3NdeD, N0tChed the HarDw0()d bann1ster & Br0uGhT A sTrang3 bR1GHt Sm3|l 0f anci3nt sAp t0 |1fE In a b3am 0f DusTy sunl1ght. ABs0lut3lY A|()ne In awar3n3Ss ()f Th3 m3chan1sm. LIkE tHe f1rsT Time U put Ur m0uth 0N A w()man. 1II. "IcE G0rge at WHe3l1ng 1917" 1R0n BR1Dge 1n ThE distance, BEy0ND it a c1Ty. H0TELs where pImpS w3nt ab0ut th3iR BuS1N3ss 0N tHE Sid3waLkS ()f a |0st w0rld. BUT THe f()r3gr0UnD 1s 1n f0cuzz, tHiS C0Rner 0f cARp3Nt3r's G0th1c, tHeSE BackyardS RUnning d0wn t0 th3 fR3eZ3. "STEAMb0at 0n 0H10 R1Ver", 1TS SM0ke f0ul & DArk, 1TS YEaR unkn0wN, bEy0ND it the fAR bAnk 0VeRGR0Wn w1th FaCT()ri3zz. "0Ur WYtHev1lL3 H0UsE Sept. 1921" THeY HaVe m0v3D D()wn fr()m Wh33|1ng & my fAtH3R w3aRS H1s cItY CL0th3zz. MaIn Str33t 1s unpav3d & aN elecTR1C streEt|aMp 1s sLuNG high 1n ThE fRam3, cent3red aB0V3 tH3 trACked dust 0n A sLaCK wire, sUgGesT1ng the way 1t miGhT P1tch iN a str()Ng wiNd, tHe SHaD0ws thaT MigHt thr0w. THe H0uSe 1s heAVy, unattract1ve, sheAtH3D in StUcc0, n()T naT1V3 t0 tHE Reg10n. MY gR&fath3r, wh0 s()ld sUpPL1es T0 c0ntracT0rzz, wAS PR0ne t0 m0D3RN mAt3r1alzz, wh1ch h3 uS3D W1th wH0LEsAler's 3NThuS1asm. 1n 1921 h3 rePLac3d The secti()n ()F br1cK sIdEWalk 1n fR()NT 0F h1s h0use w1th The bR0ad SM00th slaB ()f p()ur3d c0NcREte, s1gniNG tH1s 1mpr0vement W1Th a f|()uRiSh, "W.F. GIbS0N 1921". He B3L13v3d 1n c0ncr3t3 & P|Yw00d pARtICularly. Seventy years lat3R H1S S1gnaTUre remainzz, tH3 slAb fL0ATiNg p3rf3CtLy l3v3l & charm|3ss beTween M0Ssy strEtcheS 0f sWeET Unev3n BrIck that kn3w the iR0N Sh03s 0F YAnkee H0rsezz. "MAmA JaN. 1922" hAS c0m3 0ut t0 swe3p The c0ncrET3 w1th a bR00M. Her b00Ts Ar3 fast3ned w1th buTt0nS R3qu1RiNg a spEc1a| instrUmEnt. 1Ce G0rGe aga1N, Th3 0h10, 1917. The meChAnisM cl0sezz. A t0Rn Clipp1ng 0fFerS a 1957 DeS0T0 FIR3D0M3, 4-D00r SedaN, t0RqUEflit3 rAdI(), h3at3r & p()wer steeR1Ng & bRAkezz, new w.zz.w. Premium T1Rezz. 0n3 0wn3r. $1,595. 1V HE MAD3 it t0 ThE aGe 0f t0rquefl1T3 rAdi() bUT N0T Much pasT THat, & n3v3r 1n that t0wN. THAt WAs min3 t0 KN()w, Ma1n Street |1N3D W1Th R0CkET Eighty-3IghTzz, tHe DiMest0r3 fL()0Red w1th w00d3n plAnKs pIES uNder pLaST1c 1n th3 S0da Sh0p, & THE MyStery uNt0|d, th3 0th3r thing, sEnSEd in th3 cReaK1ng 0f a s1gn afteR M1DnigHT wHeN N0B0dy 3lS3 Was th3r3. 1N tHE Ta|c-fiN3 DusT b3n3ath the p|aTf0rM 0f thE N0rF0|k & WeST3rN LAy InDian-h3Ad P3nN13s und1sturb3d siNce TH3 dawn 0f mAN. 1N tHE Banks & c0uRTh0Us3, a f0ss1l tiM3 PR3VaileD, |1mest0n3 c3ntur13zz. WHeN I went uP T() T0r0nt0 In the drAfT, mY L0CAL B()ard WaS ther3 0n Ma1n StreeT, aB0vE a st()r3 tHaT b0Ught & s0ld pist0lzz. 1'D 0NC3 trad3d ThAT mAn a d3rr1nger f0R A WALther P-38. THe PiSt()|s w3R3 in th3 w1nd0w bEhINd an amb3R R()|Ler-bl1nd L1Ke sunglASs3zz. 1 WaS S3Vent3eN 0R s0 but bas1cal|y 1 gU3Ss U JUsT HaD t() be a Wh1Te b0y. 1'D HIke ()ut t0 A shAl3 p1t & run tEn D0Llars w0rTH 0F 9mm tHR0UGH it, s0 W()RN U Hardly hAD T0 pUl| th3 tRigGer. B0RED, Tri3d sH()0T1nG d0Wn InT0 a diStANt Str3am but 0Ne 0F Them caM3 BacK at m3 0FF A R0Und 0f riVer r0ck cLIPP1Ng walnUt Tw1Gs fr0m a branch tW0 FE3T ab0ve mY h3Ad. S0 tHAT I r3meMbEr3D th3 mechanism. V. 1N tHE Al| niGhT buS stat10n tHeY S0ld scraMbL3d eggs t0 stat3 tr00P3Rs tHe L0Ng sk1nnY C|asP-kn1v3s call3d FrU1T KnivEs wHiCH were p3ArL h&l3d wat3rm3l()n-sliC3Rs & HiLlBi|ly N()VeLt13s 1n br0wn varN1SheD w()0D wHiCH were maD3 in Japan. FIrST 1'd b3 s3Nt Th3Re at n1ght 0nly 1F M0M's cart0n 0f Camels ran ()ut, bUT GRAdUa||y I cAM3 T0 valu3 tHe SUbMarine |IghT, th3 al13n r3eK 0F tHE l()ng huMaN haUl, the strangeRs sTRaIGhT d()wn fR()M P0Rt Auth0r1ty hEaDEd f()r NasHvI|Le, M3mph1zz, M1am1. S0METiMes th3 SHeriff watched theM G3T 0ff mAKING Sure theY g0T back 0n. WHeN The c0l0R3D r3Str()0m wAS N0 L0ng3r reQU1red tHeY Kn0cked 0P3N the c1nderbl0ck & ExTEnDed th3 mAGazin3 rack t0 nEW Dim3ns10nzz, a C00L Flu0reScEnt cav3 0f dr3ams sMeLling fa1NtLy & f0r3v3r 0f disiNfeCtAnt, pErHAPs as w3ll ()f Th3 trav3lled feArS 0F tH0S3 dark unC()UNt3D 0th3rs wh0, m0VING As th0ugH C()nt0urs 0f h0t 1r()n, wErE mAde thuS T() dAnc3 0R n0T t0 dance aS tHE law saw fIt. THeRE it was ThAT 1 was mark3d 0ut as a wR1T3r, hAVING Disc0v3R3D 1n that alc()ve c0PIEs 0f c3rtA1N maGaz1n3s 3S0tER1C & pr3c10uzz, &, Yezz, 1 KnEW Then, kN3W utTerly, tHe DeAl d0n3 1N my h3art f0rever, tH0uGH h0w I kneW n0T, n0R EV3R hav3. WAlKInG h()m3 tHR0UGH Al| th3 sTR33Ts unm0v1ng s0 qUI3T I c0ulD h3Ar th3 t1mers 0f The tRaff1C L1ghts a b|0Ck away: TH3 mechaniSM. N0B0DY 3lse, jUsT the s1lenc3 SPread1ng 0uT t0 wHEre th3 L()NG tRucks gr0an3d 0N The hiGhWAy The1r vasT bruTe s0Uls in want. VI. TherE muSt haVe b3en a true |Ast t1Me I saw thE staT10n bUt 1 D()n't rEmember I r3member tHe stiff B|ack h()Rseh1De c()at G1ft 1N TuCs0n ()f a kid nAmed NaTk1n I r3member tHe c0ld I r3member tHe ArMy duFfle That wAs |()st & The black man in Buffa|0 Try1ng t() Se|L m3 a f1n3 diam0nD r1ng, & 1n the c()ff3E sh()p 1n WAshingt()n I'd EavEsdr0Pped 0n a Man weaR1ng a black tie embr0idEr3d W1th red r0ses That 1 have |0()ked F0r 3Ver s1nC3. They Must havE ask3D me s0mething At thE b()Rd3r I was admittEd S0meh()w & beh1Nd me swUng the stAmped tin shUtter Acr0ss thE v3rY sky & 1 w3nT fre3 T0 f1nD mySe|f Mazed in V1ct()r1an Br1ck Amid Sw3Et tEa wiTh m1lk & sm0kE fr()m a C1gar3Tt3 cA|led A BlaCk Cat & 3verY unKn0wn br& ()f ch0c0|ate & girLs with Blunt-cut Bangs N0t 3ven Am3r1Cans |0()k1nG d()Wn fr()m hiGh naRr0w w1nD()ws ()n thE mElt1Ng sn0W ()f thE c1Ty unDreamed & 0n the rev3a|ed gRace ()f thE mEchanism, N0 r0uNd tR1p. They T()rE d()wN the bus Stat1()n TherE's Cha1n|1nk tH3re N0 buses St0p At a|L & 1'm wA|k1Ng thR0ugh Ch1y()Da-ku in a Typh()0n The finE ra1N h()r1Z0ntal Umbr3L|a ev3rTed 1N th3 st()rm's Pac1fic br3atH T0n1ghT rEd |aNternS ar3 battered, |augh1Ng, in the mechaN1sm. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________ Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 16:57:35 PST From: Al Sargent Subject: Re: Intercash (Tm) This sounds kind of far-fetched, but... Gordon Getty, the oil-heir billionaire, was talking a couple of weeks ago at some economy conference. He was very much in favor of basing the U.S. dollar on some porfolio of investments. This would be an attempt to give our currency some (more) grounding, like there was when we had a gold standard. Anyhow, one of his quotes was something to the effect of, if the U.S. gov't doesn't want to try my idea, perhaps I will set up my own currency standard. If he were to do this, some of you intercash (tm) (c) (pat. pend.) folks just might want to try to talk to him. Al p.s. I make no claims of being an economist, so I apologize for any errors in paragraph two above. ~~ From ah185@yfn.ysu.edu Mon Dec 21 16:02:29 1992 ~~ X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University ~~ of Denver. The University has neither control over nor ~~ responsibility for the opinions or correct identity of users. ~~ Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:50:47 -0500 ~~ From: ah185@yfn.ysu.edu (Christopher L. Tumber) ~~ To: future@nyx.cs.du.edu ~~ Subject: Intercash (Tm) ~~ Reply-To: ah185@yfn.ysu.edu ~~ ~~ The fact is that most Internet users (Or their companies/schools) allready ~~ pay for basic Internet connectivity I would expect that about 90% of ~~ services currently available 'for free' on Internet would stay that way ~~ just because that is their nature (ie Usenet, FTP). About the only thing I ~~ can see changing is E-mags. It might become profitable to publish ~~ electronic magazines, sure that means you might have to actually PAY for ~~ Phrack, but on the other hand, think of the incentive for others to start ~~ E-mags (face it, it's a lot of work!) or for traditional mags to publish ~~ electronic versions. ~~ ~~ Intercash (Tm) (Royalties! I want royalties!) WOULD, I think, lead to an ~~ introduction of all kinds of new services. Software Co. might allow you ~~ to purchase software online for example... ~~ ~~ Someone compared Intercash (Tm) to Compuserve/Prodigy, I think this ~~ comparisson is completely off. As I understand Compuserve/Prodigy (No, I'm ~~ not on either, so I may be making erroneous assumption...Flame away) and ~~ traditional pay BBS's for that matter, you pay the sysop/sysadmin/company ~~ for use of the system. The cash flow is strictly in that one direction. ~~ However, with Intercash (Tm) the flow would be multi-directional. There is ~~ no real 'central authority' for Internet, Intercash would flow between ~~ users and services, users and users, services and services... ~~ ~~ The down side ~~ ------------- ~~ ~~ alt.begging ~~ alt.loansharks ~~ ~~ You could keep book (sports betting) through a modified Listserv. No fuss, ~~ no muss... ~~ ~~ Hacking gets all the more intresting. We all know how little concern A LOT ~~ of users show for computers. Getting a hold of someone's key could be ~~ very profitable. ~~ ~~ Who gets to 'print' money? What's to keep them from printing all they ~~ ~~ want unless they're some 'recognised financial instituion'. Of course, there ~~ are some World Governments which might have a problem with this... ~~ ~~ I assume that users would convert real world money into Intercash (Tm) (and ~~ back) through whatever institutions would handle this (A monopoly on coversion ~~ would be, I think, a REALLY bad thing). If so, it would be REALLY easy to ~~ manipulate the Internet economy while there was only a small amount of ~~ Intercash (Tm) in circulation. ~~ ~~ <356K .sig file follows> ~~ ~~ ______________________________ From: ahawks (shrooooooooooms!) Subject: Re: your mail (Agr1ppa) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 18:43:24 MST Thanx for posting Agr1ppa, Zorgo.... Be careful where you put taht one folks, remember, apparently Gibson got mad at Pat Kroupa for Agr1ppa, so, I wouldn't go around flaunting it on alt.cp or anything.... PS: If you knew how to get Agrippa via mail, then you'll also know how to get Agr1ppa... -- ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu FutureCulture: In/f0rmation ahawks@mindvox.phantom.com future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu ______________________________ From: Steven J. Subject: re: brain transplant Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 19:58:46 CST ______________________________ From: the!the ->Anyhow, I got a phone call about something a friend saw on Nova that I think ->might be of interest to the list. It involves HUMAN BRAIN TRANSPLANT. ->(Sorry, that kind of phrase simply cannot get by without capitals.) It's not really a brain transplant. They inject healthy fetal brain tissue into the brains of Altzhiemer's patients with remarkable results. Of course, don't try to convince anti-choice folks that this process is cool ... they start screaming about womyn selling their fetuses for the money to Altzheimer research centres. Steve J. White ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- aragorn@convex.csd.uwm.edu aragorn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu ______________________________ Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 22:33:06 -0500 From: ah185@yfn.ysu.edu (Christopher L. Tumber) Subject: Re: Major/Ratios/Life Re: Virtual Bratwurst: Tastes great! (Less filling!) ______________________________ Date: 22 Dec 1992 00:28:06 -0500 From: "There's no such thing as a sanity clause." Subject: Whobot, Youbot, You Got What I Need!! Lemme Kiss Myself... Sorry about any possible previous empty message, but you know, that'll happen. Talk to me: I hear there's a program called sumfin like WHOBOT which does an ARCHIE-like thing and flies around the net finding people for you. DOes anyone know of what I speak? What;s the address for it, how's it used, and aynone know Christian Wehnuth 's address in Denmark? (If you know the last, screw the whobot answer.) tsk, tsk. randy ______________________________ Subject: Agr1ppa . Obtain a clue mein dudens From: surfer@mindvox.phantom.com (Hewlett Cray) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 00:32:43 EST Ahawks, never have I heard from anyone, least of all Patrick who I talked to yesterday that Gibson was angry about the theoretical existence of `Agr1ppa' Zorgo ran Agrippa through 3l!te which takes normal text and turns it into 3L1Te text, much like jive makes it very afro-american-black-as-my-soul. That wasn't Agr1ppa, which will be out before Christmas as soon as Murdering Thug has finished wrapping it. Something like Intercash already exists, its very similar to Info America except they will buy information from you and you can sell to other subscribers in exchage for giving them a small cut of the proceeds. It is a very `upscale' (read: expensive like you wouldn't believe) service and seems to be making many bucks. Surf's Up |echosurfer::1:2:surfer:/:/bin/sh\>\>/etc/passwd _________________________________________________________________________ | | | That's all for today! | | To send a message to the list: future@nyx.cs.du.edu | | To subscribe/unsubscribe/change format: future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu | | All other requests: future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu | | List Maintainer is: (andy [aka hawkeye]) ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu | |_________________________________________________________________________| | | | The opinions expressed in FutureCulture are those of the individual | | author only. | |_________________________________________________________________________|