From - Wed Jan 14 11:32:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.UU.NET by mrco.carleton.ca (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA02366; Sun, 20 Dec 92 01:33:18 EST Received: from nyx.cs.du.edu by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA06572; Sun, 20 Dec 92 01:29:38 -0500 Received: by nyx.cs.du.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12113; Sat, 19 Dec 92 23:30:09 MST From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (andy) Message-Id: <9212200630.AA12113@nyx.cs.du.edu> X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of Denver. The University has neither control over nor responsibility for the opinions or correct identity of users. Subject: FutureCulture Digest #157 To: future-digest@nyx.cs.du.edu Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 23:30:08 MST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: R ______________________________________________________________________ |______________ / | | / | | u t u r e <___________ u l t u r e | _______________________________________________________________________| Issue #157 Saturday, December 19th 1992 Today's Topics: --------------- Call for Comments About Computing and the Future Call for Comments About Computing and the Future (fwd) Cloaking mode disengaged... Comet speaks on several topics: re: #future re: local feeling thermometer Re: Seattle (Re: local feeling thermometer) Seattle (Re: local feeling thermometer) __________________________________________________________________________ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 23:36:15 PST From: "Comet" Subject: Cloaking mode disengaged... Comet speaks on several topics: Phone: 415/593-0500 Hello Future, AIA is more like a \/\/orm than a |/IRUS; look at the mode of propagation. Star Trek--the commune! All aboard the good ship "Liberty"! Or was it "Freedom"? Or was it "Liberator"? Yep, we'll have plenty of space to hack our warez in the informational economy, out on our own. I don't know, quite, that it is really ~necessary~ to be physically separated, when we can all be together virtually, with much more psychological ease (IMHO). We can be partitioned within an exclusive grouping of our co-experimenters, or we can just "jack-in" ;) during our ^day^, and socialize with `outsiders' at other times, as is our wont. There are More bisexuals in futuretropic arenas then elsewhen. Raving is fun. The -control- issue is... `fascinating.' The ravees ain't the same class as the ravitours--they're not even close. Why are the members of the first class getting rich off the members of the second, when the "rave ethic" is irrelevently equalitarian? The engine cycles on. Feel the beat. Look around you. Smell the future. It's close. Listen. Can you feel it? Telephone technology--beepers are proliferating, for SOCIAL (distinct from business) reasons. This is indicative of a larger change then the emergence of cyberpunk culture. [Pay attention; you will be given an unexpected Test.] My locale is undergoing a swing of optimism. What's it like by you? Mythology is also on its way UP. I'm enjoying the information age. Society hasn't been as much fun since the 1920's! (Well, at least, men's clothing styles haven't been as much fun since the 1920's). Ain't drugz grande? Most Xcellent! Use with care. Love. *hug* -------- Comet Opinions (not facts) are shared by me. 437 Wessex Way Facts (not opinions) are. Belmont, CA 94002-2757 Ambiguities left four write two discussion. ______________________________ From: Steven J. Subject: re: #future Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 15:57:43 CST ______________________________ From: the! ->hey I've been hearing about the sunday c0nversation on #future. -> ->one Question however: what Time is it? -> ->Thanks in advance for yer help. It's scheduled for 2000 UT. See your local encyclopedia/dictionary for conversion time for your local time. I haven't exactly been the best as far as being ther when it happens but that's the scheduled time. Steve J. White ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- aragorn@convex.csd.uwm.edu aragorn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu ______________________________ From: Steven J. Subject: re: local feeling thermometer Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 16:08:38 CST ______________________________ From: the! ->My locale is undergoing a swing of optimism. What's it like by you? It sucks. Milwaukee is one of the most racial, discriminatory cities in the country. I wouldn't even attempt to say that people are optimistic here. If they are, they're naive, at best. I need a change of surroundings and environment BIG time. But, alas, graduation isn't until December of 1993. After that... Steve J. White ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- aragorn@convex.csd.uwm.edu aragorn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu ______________________________ From: ahawks (bubble boy) Subject: re: local feeling thermometer Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 17:21:26 MST New fresh-scented *Steven J.* (150% real fruit juices!) says: | |From the cyberdeck of Comet... | |->My locale is undergoing a swing of optimism. What's it like by you? | |It sucks. Milwaukee is one of the most racial, discriminatory cities in the |country. I wouldn't even attempt to say that people are optimistic here. Hehehe, don't leave out Denver....Colorado is one of the most schizophrenic states there is in the US....First, we have Boulder, which is one of the most liberal places in America, comperable to Berkeley where Berk's, pot, and an acoustic guitar are the required uniform, and then on the other hand we have a bunchload of farmers, survivalist Uzi-totin' mountain-men hermits, and all-around Buf0rds... It was the Buf0rds that voted in ammedment 2, which makes it legal to discriminate against homosexuals...If you live in colorado and are homosexual (even remotely bisexual, I imagine) you can be fired from your job on that basis.... This is all because of a bunch of fascist Bible-shielded cavemen , such as Bill McCartney, coach of the CU Buffs (football [American football, for non-USers]...they think homosexuals seek special rights, which is complete bull....Since when did the homosexual community get together and decide to seek minority status? That's never happened, not to my knowledge.... Oh, BTW. we also have a huge skinhead/KKK population...I'm sure some of you have heard of Shawn Slater, who's nothing more than a hate-"Stir-it-up"-monger, who I run into around town occasionally... Luckily, his high school class graduated before I was a freshman, otherwise I might've killed him, since he went to the same high school... This is the duplicity of Denver - I'm going to a rave tonite, and I'm pretty sure that I'll run into some skinheads afterwards....Tonite I'll probly dance with some guys and be free and open, and then afterwards, the other side of living in Denver hits in - I'll see some skinheads at my favorite coffeehouse, and then tomorrow I'm sure I'll read more about Ammendment 2 in the paper.... PS: If you *have* to travel in Denver (I support the boycoters, just to teach the openly-ignorant of our state a lesson), stay in LoDo (lower downtown) or up in Boulder, which are the more liberal portions of the state... The other day I was talking to a friend of mine who knows about this FutureCulture list, And he mentioned "has anybody brought up the fact that you're talking about the future of culture and that it's originating from the most bass-ackwards state in the country..." PPS: Hope some of you caught what Jerry garcia had to say about Am. 2 on eMpTV news, recently....His perspective was on-target... |If they are, they're naive, at best. I need a change of surroundings and |environment BIG time. But, alas, graduation isn't until December of 1993. |After that... So, hmm, other than a converted boat-turned-commune, what's going to be the geographical locale of the future? I would've voted for Seattle, but the whole grunge-scene has changed my opinion....Maybe Osaka, Japan will suffice....Maybe Manchester, if it can recover from the rave-cyclone.... |Steve J. White |----------------------------------------------------------------------------- | aragorn@convex.csd.uwm.edu | aragorn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu -- ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu FutureCulture: In/f0rmation ahawks@mindvox.phantom.com future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu ______________________________ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 18:24:08 -0800 From: Brian Willoughby Subject: Seattle (Re: local feeling thermometer) | New fresh-scented *Steven J.* (150% real fruit juices!) says: | |If they are, they're naive, at best. I need a change of | |surroundings and environment BIG time. But, alas, graduation isn't | |until December of 1993. After that... | | So, hmm, other than a converted boat-turned-commune, what's going | to be the geographical locale of the future? | | I would've voted for Seattle, but the whole grunge-scene has | changed my opinion....Maybe Osaka, Japan will suffice....Maybe | Manchester, if it can recover from the rave-cyclone.... What does grunge have to do with anything? I've been here 4.25 years and I wouldn't know grunge from shit. Just ignore it if you don't like it. The only good Seattle-local band I know of is *SadHappy*, WAILINGFUCKINGBASSANDDRUMSANDSAX in their own words. Of course, maybe I shouldn't try to make Seattle sound good in spite of grunge. Sprawl is ugly. Then again, I can't stop the deluge, so I might as well attract intelligent, interesting individuals to Seattle... Read "Death of a City", by Frank Herbert in his short-story collection, _Eye_. If my memory (and opinion) serves me, this is a cyberpunk 'hic jacet' for Seattle. | ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu FutureCulture: In/f0rmation Since this is my intro, I might as well ask a few potentially embarrassing questions: What is a Buf0rd? From context, it sounds like an anti-BuFu! What about In/f0rmation? Have anything to do with track 3 of Propaganda's "1234" release? (I know this album isn't much more than an exercise in overproduction from the same folks that brought you "the seeds of love", but the cadence of the lyric right after the Rap is the same as your spelling) --- Brian Willoughby Xware Design Engineer, BSEE NCSU, ex-Microsoft BrianW@SoundS.WA.com Sound Consulting and Signal Processing Software NeXTmail welcome - NO EMAIL SOLICITATION without prior permission ______________________________ From: ahawks (jedi master) Subject: Re: Seattle (Re: local feeling thermometer) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 21:21:38 MST New fresh-scented *Brian Willoughby* (150% real fruit juices!) says: | |What does grunge have to do with anything? I've been here 4.25 years |and I wouldn't know grunge from shit. Just ignore it if you don't like |it. The only good Seattle-local band I know of is *SadHappy*, |WAILINGFUCKINGBASSANDDRUMSANDSAX in their own words. | |Of course, maybe I shouldn't try to make Seattle sound good in spite of |grunge. Sprawl is ugly. | |Then again, I can't stop the deluge, so I might as well attract |intelligent, interesting individuals to Seattle... | |Read "Death of a City", by Frank Herbert in his short-story collection, |_Eye_. If my memory (and opinion) serves me, this is a cyberpunk 'hic |jacet' for Seattle. Seattle seems to me to a be a 'cyberpunk' city....Kind of America's Chiba... Don't ask why, but every cp-fiction sotry I write, I have at least part of it set in Seattle (or a character from Seattle or something sim..) || ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu FutureCulture: In/f0rmation | |Since this is my intro, I might as well ask a few potentially |embarrassing questions: | |What is a Buf0rd? From context, it sounds like an anti-BuFu! Buford - people living hopeless consrtained existences. they take up space. they contribute to the destruction of the world, when they could be dead. they live in mobile homes. they are proud of their nra membership and brag about it. they might be related to themselves. they drive dusty blue ford pickups with a confederate flag bumper sticker, and that "ASK FIRST!" sticker they drive in Winnebagos when they retire. now they have many more bumper stickers, one for each state they've visited. when retired, Buford couples look exactly the same, and dress alike in shopping malls. young buford girls can be found in shopping malls. know them by the overpowering sense of hairspray. know them by their gum popping. know them by their inability to survive outside the domain of other fellow Buford girls. young buford guys can also be found in shopping malls, but most of the time you can find them spinning donuts in their father's car. their interests revolve around cars, cb radios, and getting laid. i hate these people. i seriously think there should be an iq/stupidity-test to be allowed to live in suburbia. if you think about it, most of these people contribute more negatively to the state of the world, then in a positive way. they're the kind of people you see on "Cops", with domestic disturbance calls. PS, this is all relative...I'm probly a buford to somebody else out there (I'd like to meet that person, tho! =)....Everyone's a buford to someone else...We all have our own personal likes and dislikes... I get stereotypical and pissed off like when I have to go to a shopping mall , and I just say to myself, "jesus people, let's evolve already! evolve or die....!" I think the world would be a much better place if everyone tried acid at least once, but no more than 100 times, over a long period of time. This would kill the Buf0rd-sin-dr0me altogether. Then you're either completely in tune with reality, permanently insane, or dead. Everyone go trip and report back to me tomorrow. =) PS: Just because you live in BFE doesn't make you a Buford. You could live in NYC and still be a buford, and I know some people who live in BFE who are really out there (subjectively, not geographically) |What about In/f0rmation? Have anything to do with track 3 of |Propaganda's "1234" release? (I know this album isn't much more than an |exercise in overproduction from the same folks that brought you "the |seeds of love", but the cadence of the lyric right after the Rap is the |same as your spelling) Just coincidence...."In/f0rmation" is just "information". The slash is there because it seperates the word into the phrase "in formation", like, what are the patterns of information, does information really want to be free, and all sorts of other subliminal implications that are only half-thought out and that i'm making up right now. The '0' replaces the 'o' because it goes back to the eLiTe daze, and because it's binary.....yeah, that's the......=) |--- |Brian Willoughby Xware Design Engineer, BSEE NCSU, ex-Microsoft |BrianW@SoundS.WA.com Sound Consulting and Signal Processing Software |NeXTmail welcome - NO EMAIL SOLICITATION without prior permission -- ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu FutureCulture: In/f0rmation ahawks@mindvox.phantom.com future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu ______________________________ From: ahawks (jedi master) Subject: Call for Comments About Computing and the Future (fwd) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 21:24:23 MST From: Gary Chapman Subject: Call for Comments About Computing and the Future To: Multiple recipients of list CPSR PLEASE CIRCULATE THIS WHEREVER YOU FEEL IT IS APPROPRIATE BUT ONLY WHERE YOU FEEL IT IS APPROPRIATE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE YOUR SAY ABOUT COMPUTING IN THE FUTURE This is Gary Chapman, director of the Cambridge, Massachusetts, office of Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility. I edit The CPSR Newsletter, a quarterly publication that goes to all CPSR members and about 400 other people, including a lot of policymakers, members of Congress, administration officials, etc. We're going to try something unusual for the next CPSR Newsletter, and I'm putting out a call for help. We're going to publish a special issue on "What the Clinton Administration Can Do For The Computing Profession and the Public." I'm sending out this message to ask people to send me SHORT contributions to this issue, just brief comments about what the new administration can do to help support computing in the United States, or perhaps the world. Here are a few basic guidelines for these submissions: 1. SHORT MEANS SHORT -- In order to publish as many of these as we can, we need to keep each contribution to about 100-150 words, max, one or two paragraphs. In fact, anything longer will probably be eliminated out of fairness to others. 2. YOU MUST IDENTIFY YOURSELF -- Again, briefly, with just your name and one line that says something about you, such as Joe Blow or Sally Smith, Programmer, BillyBob Corporation, or Centerville, Ohio, or something like that, whatever you prefer. 3. ADDRESS ISSUES OF PUBLIC POLICY -- In order to make these contributions relevant to the Clinton administration, they should concern issues about which government can or should do something, or stop doing, whatever. These include major issues such as privacy, access to information, computer networks like the Internet or NREN, R&D priorities, equitable access to computers, intellectual property, defense policy, risks to the public, etc. We're not really interested in contributions that are self-serving, parochial, excessively arcane or trivial, belligerently and unconstructively critical, and so on. We will favor messages that discuss the intersection of computing and major issues of concern to the public at large. 4. PLEASE INCLUDE A WORKABLE E-MAIL ADDRESS -- In case I have to get back to you about the text. We won't publish e-mail addresses, I promise. 5. GET ALL CONTRIBUTIONS TO ME BY JANUARY 15, 1993. My e-mail address is chapman@silver.lcs.mit.edu. This is not limited to people in the United States, although overseas contributors will have to make a case for what the Clinton administration should do to help international computing -- the focus will be on U.S. government policy. We're going to try and get this issue into the hands of the key players on computing and high tech policy in the new administration. For the most part we already know who those people are, and we're talking to them about the issues that CPSR is working on. This newsletter will give them a good impression, we hope, of the concerns of the computing profession and people who use computer networks. Consider this an opportunity for a kind of "hard copy" town hall. Thanks for your help! Get those messages coming! Gary Chapman Coordinator The 21st Century Project Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility Cambridge, MA chapman@silver.lcs.mit.edu |----- End Included Message ----- -- ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu FutureCulture: In/f0rmation ahawks@mindvox.phantom.com future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu ______________________________ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 20:41:23 -0800 (PST) From: Al Billings Subject: Re: Seattle (Re: local feeling thermometer) On Sat, 19 Dec 1992, jedi master wrote: > Seattle seems to me to a be a 'cyberpunk' city....Kind of America's Chiba... Obviously, you've never lived here, man. If there is one thing the Greater Seattle Metorplex is, it is GREEN and DAMP. That's about it. The city only have hald a million people with another million spread out around it. Until this last year, most folks would have had about one choice for ways to get Usenet and mail. We aren't as big as people seem to think. OH, and I still think Soundgarden is the bast Seattle band. Wassail, Al ______________________________ Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 21:40:02 -0800 (PST) From: John Frost Subject: Re: Seattle (Re: local feeling thermometer) On Sat, 19 Dec 1992, jedi master yoga wrote: > New fresh-scented *Brian Willoughby* (150% real fruit juices!) says: > | > |Of course, maybe I shouldn't try to make Seattle sound good in spite of > |grunge. Sprawl is ugly. Yep!. However, if you want coffee Seattle and Portland are the spraw sites to live in. > Seattle seems to me to a be a 'cyberpunk' city....Kind of America's Chiba... > Don't ask why, but every cp-fiction sotry I write, I have at least > part of it set in Seattle (or a character from Seattle or something sim..) I think you might have read one too many Shadowrun stories. I can see Seattle as a cyberpunk city. But Los Angeles (maybe San Francisco ) already is. I was walking Alvarado street in the rain passing a Sushi bar, a Taco Stand and I heard at least five different languages spoken. All I needed was a fucking flying car and I'd be on the set of Bladerunner (which was playing at a theatre nearby). I'm not saying this is a good thing mind you... I'd rather be living in Portland. Oh, if you write cp-fiction where can I find some of it... Despite what I am about to say, or maybe because of it, I would like to read your work. > |What is a Buf0rd? From context, it sounds like an anti-BuFu! > > Buford - people living hopeless consrtained existences. > they take up space. > they contribute to the destruction of the world, when they > could be dead. > they live in mobile homes. [Rest of tirade deleted] Andy, you seem to be a very angry person. Yet I suspect that, as Malcolm X did (although maybe not to the same scale), you are just stating the truth as you see it. > > PS, this is all relative...I'm probly a buford to somebody else out > there (I'd like to meet that person, tho! =)....Everyone's a buford to > someone else...We all have our own personal likes and dislikes... > > I get stereotypical and pissed off like when I have to go to a > shopping mall , and I just say to myself, "jesus people, let's > evolve already! evolve or die....!" > So taking this to its conclusion, everyone would be dead. This may happen anywayj (for instance , any self respecting AI would see the current human race/society for what it is and terminate us), but I would like to think that you have other suggestions for what to do with the Bufords of the world? -- If I told you this was from Gibson's next novel would you believe me? "Aaron Pursley was already Learing it back to Cincinatti in a plane that had no metal in it whatsoever, Karen had locked the goggles across her eyes and was talking non-stop to at least six people at once, and Rydell was sitting on the edge of her big white bed, starting to get the idea that something had changed." frost@netcom.com _________________________________________________________________________ | | | That's all for today! | | To send a message to the list: future@nyx.cs.du.edu | | To subscribe/unsubscribe/change format: future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu | | All other requests: future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu | | List Maintainer is: (andy [aka hawkeye]) ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu | |_________________________________________________________________________| | | | The opinions expressed in FutureCulture are those of the individual | | author only. | |_________________________________________________________________________|